Consone: Who is your leader?
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Topic: Consone: Who is your leader?
Posted By: The_Dude
Subject: Consone: Who is your leader?
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 04:20
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Consone, Who is your leader? Who accepts responsibility for Consone decisions and actions? Who has authority to bind Consone to agreements? Who has power of attorney for Consone to settle the war? Thank you for your time.
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 08:42
| You could ask EU same questions... |
Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 09:04
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If Consone intentionally wasn't very forthcoming with these details before the war, do you think that will change now? Seems to me like answering these questions could be very strategically beneficial to team-H? (I've lost track of who all is in that mosh pit). Then they'd know who to apply pressure to to end this thing (assuming they wanted to, I mean, so maybe they wouldn't). Since no one seems to begrudge H? for their secrets, I'm having a hard time holding it against Consone for theirs. It's actually what I've wondered before about huge confederations in general: who is actually in charge, and how decision making is made. I received a passable (but not optimal) answer from Rill about the Crows before wherein the short version would be "utter chaos" (which I suspect is very similar to Consone's model). I figure if the community is going to find a passable setup for messy confederacies (do you suppose that's the right term for a web of confederations?) -- that is, we don't have incidents like this every other month -- they're gonna need a better system of government. Personally, I'm also not a fan of the "H? does whatever, and everyone else just falls in line behind them" model either. How do you imagine confederation government would best work? Some sort of organized representation from each of the member alliances? Also, will that be a problem with some of the individuals involved? It seems like within alliances the powerful personalities float to the top, and it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to assume that not everyone can gracefully share authority.
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Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 10:04
In relation to your question " Who has power of attorney for Consone to settle the war?"
As a neutral, it's clear to me and to most readers of the forum that Consone is a confederation of 11 alliances. Despite attempts to portray it as otherwise by H? and their hangers on.
I imagine that Consone, "if " it decides on a spokesperson, for the confed, will contact and negotiate direct with H? leadership and not with a less important sideshow like Res.
Having said that, we can cannot escape the reality that when H? made it's declaration of war
it actually declared war against 11 seperate alliances who are members of a loose confederation based on mutual cooperation and friendship and not on Bloc with a single governmental form which (incidentally ,TD, you have recently termed " snake pit").
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The_Dude wrote:Posted By: hellion19
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 10:10
I doubt its all that much of a big deal though its helpful in talks I am sure. I am pretty sure you know the decision makers on RHY, H?, etc side but it doesn't seem to be the focus of consone to do what you suggest. It does however benefit both sides to have someone that can answer for a particular side. Lets say if terms were brought up then who would one talk to? Would they have to draw a deal with each individual guild that is involved? So not really much of a secret tbh. Otherwise you honestly may disband Consone now because as it stands it seems any of you can start a fight with someone and your all going to enter random wars from now on. Being that there is no central authority it seems it will be hard to avoid anything but that. Lets say I am a guild in Consone I can just pull another Absa and go smack another guild or at least harass them until they are provoked into picking a fight with me. Once this happens since there is no over sight of the decisions for the wars done by Consone as there is no actual leaders which pretty much means anyone that pleads for help will get the full unquestioned support of Consone. I imagine this is going to be painful as an alliance and at some point its going to make the confed of Consone look like warmongers if it didn't already after picking a fight with RHY and calling in a huge alliance. |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 13:00
| You did notice that you idea of picking a fight was to destroy a hostile occupying army 2 squares from SkB towns. You did also notice that it was not Consone that started sieging and razing towns because of that. You did also notice that it was H? that declared war when Consone started breaking those sieges in defense of it's members. And you did notice that when all of Consone declared war, there was not a mass of sieges by it's members. War was declared in defense of it's allies, not to recklessly attack our "enemies". I don't doubt that there are things that Consone could have done much better or differently, but a mutual defense confederation will defend it's members. |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 13:04
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and you didnt notice Absa helping their ally by starting this war? ------------- 
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 13:09
| If destroying an occupying army 2sqrs away from your towns after it had been asked to leave is all it takes to start a war, then why isn't everyone at war? This happens all the time. Why do you think everyone had to change their alliance profiles to specifically state that if you put an army on a resource in their 5 or 10sqr radius it will be removed? Not arguing that absa destroyed the army, but notice was given that the army should be removed, and notice was given far enough in advance that an army was enroute to send a messenger as well. What would the BSH response be to an army that camped a rare resource 2sqrs from your towns and refused to leave? |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 14:10
Well.. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Janosch
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 15:35
Maybe this is not an excuse for the way Absa behaved but it
appears to be a fair question. The answer might be: ------------- You like Democracy? Join the http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/topic3448_post42792.html#42792" rel="nofollow - Old Republic ! |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 16:11
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My understanding is that Consone is a mutual defense pact. Each alliance acts independently, with the assumption that they will watch each other's back encase some crazy large alliance says they will destroy them. Judging by the diplomatic standing of several of the alliances involved, it seems they have each declared war against the forces of Harmless and friends. The_Dude, if you would like to negotiate peace or send threats with all of Consone by sending 1 person a few messages, I think you are going to be dissapointed. I'd advise approaching each alliance individually. You would certainly gain more respect from those alliances, and a greater understanding of their motives. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Gon
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 16:51
This is exactly what I've thought as well. I'm not sure how long an army parked 2 squares from an H?, DLords, Crow, ect town would last or how big of a deal it would be when the encroaching army was destroyed. |
Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 17:03
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In regards to TD's original post- theres only one side willing to talk peace and until the other side is willing to open communications I see no reason for the other questions ------------- "Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives." |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 17:42
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The Duke, I believe The_Dude's issues are separate from the current conflict, as his alliance was attacked after telling some members of Consone that RES will not assist in this fight. You will note, RES only has 2 NAPs, and is not involved by all appearances. http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Diplomacy/287 ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 17:48
| His alliance member was attacked due to a territorial dispute by another player who is in WE, which is part of Consone. Saying that his alliance was attacked after telling Consone that RES will not assist in the war is misleading and incorrect. Furthermore, The_Dude seems to be asking with regards to the war and not his current issue, which I am sure he is dealing with WE on the matter. |
Posted By: Cerex Flikex
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:27
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The siege did not come from EE. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/149824" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 18:38
| You are correct and I apologize, with all that W and E are so close to each other and I am tired. Post edited and updated. |
Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 03:30
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@ Sisren, If that is the case I took that out of Context, I was aware of the seige and notified The_Dude as soon as I seen it. I was also told there were gonna be actions taken to rectify that situation that havent been so in that regard I have no further n=knowledge or comment ------------- "Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives." |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 05:03
The siege was destroyed 1 minute later, Duke. That is how RES rectifies injustices committed against it by bullies.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 05:09
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Okie-Dokie No one in Consone has the courage to step up and say "Me, I am responsible for Consone." That is so very sad. This is what Illy will hear: 1) No one is responsible 2) Everyone supports each other 3) don't hold each individual for the actions of the other individuals 4) defend each other 5) Move or Die! 6) My Road 7) Consone is peaceful 8) No one is responsible Rinse, Repeat So sad.
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Posted By: hellion19
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 07:18
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@TD Ya its pretty much what I agree on. Its what I tried to state on my first post in this thread is that anyone in consone could pick a fight with whoever and since there is no central authority in Consone they will be dragged into war after war. At some point the alliance will look like warmongers even if its only a few alliances causing the problems. Also to add insult to injury this also includes people not in the alliance. Unless this list is incorrect as to who is in Consone... Absaroke Dwarven Druids Eagles Eyrie Eagles First Flight Fairy Road Authority Knights Temperance Knights Virtue Invictus Sages of Illyriad Victrix Worlds End So pretty much SkB and RHY get into a dispute and push ABSA in which then chain reactions all of Consone to support what was initially an issue between two non consone members. Absa involved itself then dragged all of Consone into it after. The future of this alliance may be funny to watch because as it is your about to be pushed into a lot of random wars that may not even start with members in Consone but are allies of your alliance as well  |
Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 07:39
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Posted By: hellion19
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 08:13
So lets say all that is true (as its likely more true than mine) it still makes it funny that the entire war that Consone was dragged into started because of a dispute between 2 non consone members and aggression started from a consone member |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:03
Ehm... correction... the current war started with H?'s declaration against VIC, claiming the actions before as bullying (kind of funny, this comes from H?, though...). To my knowledge, RHY is neutral atm...
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:50
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no -------------
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:02
No to what? Specifically on a certain point, or simply in general?
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:10
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its possible the war declaration came with VIC, i didnt check which order they were made, but SkB fought RHY, RHy Called Absa, so H? went in, then Consone group came to defense and things kept growing to the size it is now. I am for the war against Consone, and a veteran so i try to keep these stuff clear as these things are super important here in Illy. anyhow, Thats how the war started, nothing about bullying except some propaganda or the small parts that came up as more alliances came forth and talked about how different Consone alliance threatened smaller groups with Big Brother Consone. but i dont blame them. Started with a normal hostile actions between two alliances, then turned into something bigger when absa was called in. These has been confirmed by both sides, which are the only info that can really be trusted with all the mudslinging going on. -------------
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 13:33
Yes, but again it seems some people still believe we wanted to shoot down RHY. That is not true. We thought, and still think, that sieges are totally out of proportion. Thus we break them. End of story from Consone side. If H? hadn't marched in, the sieges would have been dealt with, then diplomacy would have happened about that mine (including reparations to either side having more losses, etc...).
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Posted By: Magnificence
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 14:38
So, BSH will be getting involved then? (and dragging their confederacies in as well) Or just remaining part of the pop-corn brigade?  EDIT: Grammar fail.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:01
Fixed that for you based on previous Consone performance. ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Berylla
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:10
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Any organisation should have one or more spokes-people (plural spokesperson?) and even though they might not be the leaders, they should be known as people you can come with questions, people who makes official statements, and so on. If someone wants to set up a trading agreement with the Concone conglomerate, who should they speek to? Talking to 5 alliance leaders might be doable, but what if there are 10, or 50? NB. I'm not asking to trade with the Concone conglomerate. I'm not that good at trading at the markets. This is just a peaceful example. ------------- I speak peace, but carry a war axe. http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/47566" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 15:26
Someone else besides me mentioned my alliance!!! This just made my day! ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: belargyle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 18:18
So you are agreeing that it was not VIC who sent the aid but VIC moved because Consone told them to do it. Hora, Consone had NO part in those dealings. An alliance Confederate to SkB (ABSA) was asked to help, and then ABSA got attacked for attacking... At NO time was this ever a Consone matter, even when ABSA was attacked. SkB and ABSA have the numbers to defend themselves against RHY. In fact, we have seen SkB use thousands of Horsemen lately.. they could have broken sieges on their ally and ABSA has the military to the same. In fact, Consone has NO business there at all. It isn't even a Consone matter even in Defence! Remember H? ONLY became involved AFTER VIC did. What Consone has done is totally out of proportion, and I say again, none of their business except they thought they could bully an alliance into backing down with the shear force of numbers.
LOL.. you are still contending this is over the mine.. seriously can't you read what has been written over and over and over... this is about the attack ABSA made on RHY.. the mine discussion is a whole different matter altogether. The diplomacy that WAS going on stopped however the moment ABSA got involved. So if you were looking for negotiations to continue, you should have dealt with ABSA and not RHY. Then VIC brought this to an escalation.. and then Consone further did so. What you guys need to understand is ALL OF THIS is due to Consone's actions, every escalation has been in direct response to Consone actions. Additionally, if H? hadn't marched in DLord would have because (we have had some crucial dealings with RHY and we have friendly ties now), yet again, VIC had no reason to get involved initially and neither did Consone. 2 on 1 was fair due to numbers, then 3 on 1 due to VIC jumping in. Then comes in H? as a direct response to VIC involvement... Then it moves to a War status in which H? declares on VIC for jumping in when there was no need to. The only need for VIC's involvement is to PRESUMABLY, frighten RHY out of attacking by being a bigger alliance and getting involved. This will not sit well with anyone's friends if an alliance does such. (I always state, if you jump in a fight be prepared TO fight - and VIC is not ignorant of this). Then once War was declared on VIC by H?, Consone brings in all it others for a War against H?. Then Dlord and others jump in to aid H? against a multi-alliances against 1. Not very fair for a confederation who claim to care about fairness.. and to top THAT off, Consone is trying to recruit MORE alliances to help them against 10 to 4 odds in their favor. Anyone else see the absolute hypocrisy of Consone. What is the point of having 10 against 4 and STILL trying to get more to help you out unless your goal is destruction and nothing less.
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Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 19:39
Is there some competition going on for the dumbest post in the forum? If it is I vote for this post as my winner. My reasons 1.The post mentions that it isn't a consone matter even in defence .....I think consone has stated clearly that its basic objective is self defence (may be this person hears or sees what he wants to hear or see which is kinda dumb). 2.Belar reiterates the H? stand that this whole mess isn't about the mine which I (being a consone member) place at the very heart of the current problem second only to H?'s insecurity of losing their 'crown'. 3.Belar accuses consone of being hypocrites w/o mentioning any reason (from what i can see thats their style).I hope belar is aware that NC and Dark were fighting a war just a few days ago and I fail to see any reason for their new found love (imagine H? and VIC declaring a confedracy after 15 days from today).They are by far the biggest hypocrites i 've ever seen in this game. ------------- Elessar2 [08:34]<Rill> when you've just had part of your brain taken out, you lack a certain amount of credibility <KillerPoodle> I can say anything I like and it is impossible to prove or disprove |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:19
Obviously you are in the know of the Dark V ~NC~ issue. Can you enlighten me? Obviously I am lost... Seriously, is there a way to block someone posting? You like to post on so many things, you are so knowledgable... about nothing. If you actually looked at the Diplomatic Status between Dark and ~NC~ you will see it has not moved past a NAP since the ending of our hostilities, due to expire in the near future. ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Berylla
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:25
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What is wrong with two enemies becoming friends? That is how you make lasting peace... just look at the European Union. It isn't perfect, but at least France, England and Germany isn't at each other's throats. ------------- I speak peace, but carry a war axe. http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/47566" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 20:59
He does have to live up to his name. Lol. ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Gartak
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 18:51
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belargyle are you seriously saying that an alliance with a open confederacy with another alliance have no right to help that alliance if it is under attack? If so why do you think alliances make ally's?
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 19:32
Exactly the opposite - they have every right to help, but they have no right to expect that their help will not bring in a further escalation and then go moaning on the forums about it. ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: belargyle
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 19:36
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I never stated they had 'no right'.. my point was specific.. Consone had no part and thus had no reason to become involved - I never stated 'no right'. ABSA, SkB, the other had enough troops to take on RHY fairly well and in their favor. So why did VIC need to jump in?.. If ABSA asked Consone to jump in and help.. then VIC was acting as a representative of Consone, but again, in an issue that did not involved Consone. Thus, if they wish to get involved (of which they do have the right), then don't be surprised when others jump in to help as well. There comes a point where you need to judge your strength and the other side as well to determine if you have enough. Unfortunately this is where another mistake was made.
What you have is here a bandwagon effect that has lead Consone and it's membership into a place many in there do not wish to be. And due to this you have some that are all but begging to be let go (funny enough - with no repercussions) out of the War because they wasn't expecting this. What it comes down to is that some in Consone thought they had enough alliances to frighten others from making any serious attacks, but failed to realize others have just as many friends to keep the board balanced even against 11 alliances. |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 22:48
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Some folks really believed that H and rest of establishment accepted 5 square rule as settled law in Illy, equal for all. Nevermind, I know why we asked for help at that moment, I believe most of Consone members know why they had to respond, and we all know why you chose to fight against us. I met people from both sides who want to stop this crazy bandwagon before someone really get hurt. Take care, old dwarf |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 01:29
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Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 02:50
I believe he is referencing the widely accepted policy of not settling within five squares of another players city unless there is prior approval, though to be honest I've seen that somewhat deteriorating in the last six months. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 03:45
| I have no knowledge of this "widely accepted policy." |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 03:54
| And If I were you, I'd be doing my best to make that Dwarven King like you if you know what is good for your health... |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 05:03
If he were you, he would be willing to suck up to anyone who poses a threat. What is the surprise? There are many such things people could be doing only if they were like you. Your threats are starting to look ridiculous. What more can you possibly do to us than what you are doing now? We are ready to fight for our survival.
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 11:18
| i dont know who is their leader but i know who is their daddy.....rofl....sometimes i just amuse myself too much....anyways...good war...but i think consone is starting to learn how to fight....good luck to all, may our troops die with glory, i will weep at their deaths |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 13:31
| You reap what you sow, Ander. What is happening to you is of your own doing. |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 13:50
It has something to do with a belief that every city has the "right" to sov, and therefor the land around it belongs to that city->that player->that alliance(if in one)->that confederation (if in one). I think that is the issue here, people have gotten it into their heads that they have "rights" to the land right outside their cities. Edit: Which is going about it the wrong way because ever since this crafting update, I personally have seen cases where newbs were told " that would be a good spot, so much crafting stuff to gather", teleport there after a few people would have fought over the location to be told by the masses "It's right outside his city, it's his now." A decent example of what was the norm, in my opinion I think we should be happy some of that has been deteriorating.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 14:00
This is just silly. Yea, I get it; many Illy players (a lot) believe they "built" something with substance. Aside from the fact that they are wrong, if they are so concerned about "spending" time here and having nothing to show for it because someone who is better at it wiped them out, there are alternatives with no risk what-so-ever. Let's see, what is the lesson here? A nebulous arrangement between a few leaders has gotten them in hot water and they are appealing to the community to...oops. Three prevailing power structures here and two of them already involved. Sorry. Now we put our digital swords where our digital mouths are. ------------- |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 17:39
I cannot remember a single time H? "sucked up" to someone who posed a threat to us... I think you are quite confused. We generally behave in exactly the opposite fashion when threatened... |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 18:01
| so anytime anyone wants a good war they just put together a team and threaten you? ok peeps we now have a war alliance.....is illy going to stand by and be pushed around by us big bullies....are u all sheep...why isnt everyone in the war? why isnt there a third group battling the other two...what are we doing in this war game not warring.....why are we not breaking up into regions fighting for control of land....why are we limiting this great war game? why is consone so spread all over the map and not working together battling on many different fronts? embrace the game for all its worth, the devs created a great war game to play, it should be played as such...get offensive consone...get into the war others |
Posted By: Southern Dwarf
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 11:24
There are a lot other war browser games out for you to play. You do not have to ruin other playstyles in Illy. ------------- Also known as Afaslizo ingame. |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 13:28
| why do u personally attack people? always telling people to play elsewhere? |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 15:13
You are also free to go play games which are not war games and are not focused primarily around the procurement and used of weapons. I believe Hello Kitty online might be more your style. ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 20:38
The irony is evident.
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Posted By: Southern Dwarf
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 21:14
------------- Also known as Afaslizo ingame. |
Posted By: Beecks
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 21:59
The best way to avoid war would be to find an alliance that doesn't declare war on others. You seem unhappy to be involved in this conflict; you might better use your time to ask VICX leadership why they decided to declare war on H. They're the ones who 'forced' you to participate in a part of the game you would rather not exist.
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Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 22:17
Ehm ... jokes/puns/jibes with places and situations where REAL people die and/or suffer are really insensitive and I'd suggest that everyone refrains from making them, if you do not mind ... This is a game to relax and have fun, not a political debate nor a place to be reminded of the latest dreary global news and how life on planet earth generally is, but how things are on Elgea. On the main subject now, if you cannot understand and accept that this game can be as peaceful or warlike for each particular player or alliance, as this said player/alliance likes, then it is not a matter of changing game, but having the basic mentality of accepting that other people can derive amusement and joy from a different gameplay than the one you happen to like. If you do not like wars, do not participate in them. Simple as that. And no excuses like "oh, my alliance is dragging me to war", please ... we are human beings, not sheep to be herded ... if you think that war in general or a war in particular is not to your liking, either differenciate your opinion from your alliance or inform everyone involved that you will simply not participate in the fray. It is *that simple* and I have yet to understand the point of all this forum "nag" about the war, in a game where its every aspect is in fact about engaging in better warfare (from how to build cities to support more troops, to trading - everything that is being traded is for war equipment and bonuses - and claiming land). |
Posted By: vty
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 22:49
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Not another topic!!!! We are having fun, yeah, we lost some cities, but ITS A GAME!! It's not that serious, it becomes serious when people take everything personal. Anyway, chill and enjoy the game. I mail people who attack me and we joke, no biggie. xoxo Oh wait, who is our leader is the question.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 23:21
Lol! |
Posted By: mufridaz
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2012 at 00:25
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the_dude or should i say the doose how far is your nose up H's butt? got any brown on your nose? how does it smell? your not even in the war so really its none of your business who consone's leader is. go back into retirement old man. try to stir some hate up in another game. i feel sry for the people your trying to lead with your hate and propaganda.
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2012 at 00:34
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Personal attacks aren't welcome on the forums. Luna ------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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