SAGES is recruiting!

 

Founded by Mara Zira, Sages is a small peaceful group of researchers,

exploring the vast possibilities, myths, hidden mechanics, landscapes,

history, diplomacy,...  of Illyriad.

Due to friendships, common interests and for mutual defense, we are a founding

 member of Consone, and proud of our goals and achievements so far.

But now, all this is at stake. Misunderstandings, fear, possibly greed followed

those uncountable possibilities opened up by the recent game changes.

Consone is facing the biggest war in Illyriads history, and Sages chose to fight with them!

We're defending freedom of mind, as much peace as a browser game can achieve, 

and diplomatic solutions whereever possible.

And that against the attack of an alliance, which

is commonly associated with similar goals.

Yet, as a peaceful, non militaristic alliance, we are weak, and not much help for the confederation. But what we can offer is lots of free space for new players!

- Huge store of newby guides and experianced players, both in alliance and

 in Consone forum.

- Biggest point: Respect your enemies, no attacking of peaceful members

in enemy alliance, diplomatic but clear posts in forum

"

on (precisely) how the game works, solving mysteries, and more...

 

 

 

We accept all races, and we have no requiremements on which region you should settle your cities. If your total population is under 450 population, check our membership list. We currently will only accept 3 players at a time that have total populations of less than 450. As those members grow bigger, we'll have room for more small players.

 

We assume that many of our Apprentice and Journeyman members will move on to Invictus or Victrix, but we hope to have a group of dedicated players who will stay in SAGES and join our team in its goal of discovering the details of how Illyriad works. Larger players who are interested in this goal are welcome to join SAGES. It's alright if you have a second account in another alliance, but please tell Mara Zira who your second account is when you join.

 

You can read  http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Forums/687/-2/4966" rel="nofollow - our rules on the public forum .

 "

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So SAGES wants small players to help them fight in a war?

And this sounds a lot like a training alliance.  I will ask again - Is SAGES a training alliance?

Btw, I think it's comical VIC alts are recruiting through Sage, or is that not true?

Hey guys we are a peacful training alliance, only we are currently at War against the number 1 alliance.  Oh yea and we declared they war to.  

This was the most amusing post i've seen all day.  The fact that they prolly don't think they are joking makes it even more funny.

Please explain.

No idea what your talking about nor how it relates at all to my comment.  Please explain

My bad.. Soz

I had no idea there was a handshake emoticon.

I agree with the "...uhh...let's just leave it at that... " part

Ignoring the unqualified rants from our enemies inbetween, I'm delighted to answer this question.

ES2 wrote: So you declared a war then now are asking for players to join SAGES to help defend you in the war that you declared?

Sages is part of Consone.

It is correct, that about half of our members have alts in other Consone alliances, mostly VIC.

It is also true, that we want peaceful solutions. As this is also true for VIC itself, I see no contradiction.

In all those 2 years I had been in VIC/Vicx/Sages, I only witnessed one defense against those players founding TMM later (the rest is history...).

H? in the meantime has lead some wars, often quite aggressively, chasing their beaten enemies even after the war clearly was over.

That's not our way!

Sage will fight this war until H? gives up attacking Consone. Nothing more to it.

Sages declared war, as we were left out by H?'s declarations on Consone somehow.

But as I stated earlier, Consone is a "Mutual Defense Confed".

I'll lend everyone a dictionary, who struggles with mutual (I looked it up myself )

We offer taking in players wanting to defend Consone, with the option to stay afterward for research...

Hello TD,

only thing I heard, was that one person started a siege, which was ended soon after.

If you look at the stats, there's no siege on RES atm, and I'm sure it will stay like this.

I'll investigate in Consone forum, who, when, why, and will tell you as soon as I found out.

This siege DEFINITLY wasn't ordered by Consone command.

If you could send me some more informations (IGM's, reasons, etc...)  it would fasten up things, of course...

The siege "was ended soon after" because RES destroyed it.  It was not recalled as Jasche has claimed and you insinuate now.  

RES refused to help Consone (who was NOT a RES Confed), so Consone sieged RES.  This Consone bunch is scum of the worst sort.   

Who is your in game account, Gossip Boy?  

It's hard to care about your respect when you are anonymous.

I base my conclusion on actions, not words.

Siege was sent

Siege was not recalled

Siege was destroyed

Attacker is still in Consone

If Consone was sincere about this not being authorized, they would have kicked the attacker.  They have refused to do so.  Consone has clearly endorsed and ratified the attack.

I currently have several friend requests from people I don't know (a few I've seen in GC) and who I have not Accepted. I don't know them and use the 'friend list' for people who I actually know and have spent time (in game time) with. I run with the assumption that those people liked what I had to say in GC, liked my forum input and generally agree with my viewpoint(s). I have not received mail by many of these players and do not take offense to their requests.

If the friends list annoys you, you can turn it off. Just because someone requests a friend confirm doesn't mean you must accept.

Your post has no relevance here.

The facts are that a Consone member launched an undeserved siege (the most heinous of attacks) at a RES member and Consone has claimed innocence in the matter. There is an obvious disconnect here!

Makes communication much faster, and as long as those links are known to the leaders of both alliances, I have no problem with that... 

It weakens the Consone claims that each member alliance is independent and member alliances should not be responsible for the actions of their Consone Confeds.

(God this comment is going to spin off so many snarky remarks.)

Until recently, VIC even had a player with his alt in H?, but we had to ask him to leave, when diplomatic relations got more icy between our two alliances.

Consone consists of independently founded alliances, with some of them having confeds for a long time already.

Those links aren't one way, as you might suppose, but there are also high ranking officers of our partners sending their alts into VIC.

The leaders of those alliances never have been in VIC, except official former wing alliances like Victrix and partly Sages as a foundation by former VIC members and some alts.

Every alliance has free will. But as in every pakt, we try to coordinate our actions between those different leaders. That's what I called High Command in previous posts. Every leaders has a voice in there, and everyone is free to leave, if he doesn't agree with commonly made decisions.

Communication still isn't perfect, too. So please excuse me, if I'm not immediately up to date with incidents made by single persons in other parts of Consone.

I'll happily try to mediate in any problem, though, but if I only get sentences like "a player in WE set up a siege against RES, EXPLAIN!", I'd need some time getting into background and reasons for such an incident myself.

Jasche is chosen chief diplomate of Consone, not leader. We're still independent parts, that's what causes some of those problems some people like to complain about...

If you give me names, cities, reasons, IGM and background information, I might be able to mediate in this particular incident.

Numbers of soldiers lost, damage to city, etc. would be nice to know, too, as to estimate the gravity of this incident.

As I stated above, it was NO coordinated action, thus I didn't know of this siege until I heard it is gone already...

...thus, please enlighten me!

Thanks for the nice advice, and I did so.

Jasche's version (in short) sounded like there had been a dispute on settling towns, different ideas about town distance rules (as already clarified by both side at length), consequent soving of squares, again dispute about distances, etc...

And finally one player (surprisingly and sadly from our side) sending out a siege.

So pro's and Con's on both sides. And in my opinion, this siege had definitly been a bad move and far too aggressive.

What I really don't understand, is why you haven't put your own view in here, even upon asking?

It would have been another thread in distance disputes, and diplomacy would have had it's chance to go along.

But all I got was:

The_Dude wrote: Starry, Consone requested RES's assistance which was refused and greeted with a Consone siege on RES.  These Consone fellas are a very "interesting" bunch.

A very interesting point of view, I'm sure. But not very helpful in mediating conflicts.