Phew
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
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Topic: Phew
Posted By: Grego
Subject: Phew
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:31
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Forgive me for creating new topic on same subject, I want to use same privilege as RHY Press office had in securing first page, so my words wont get lost in that weed they planted. Hope Luna will close it before growing into 50 pages... Every war have a uzrok and povod ( motiv in english, I found one word for both, but is not the same), forgive my poor English... I'll try to explain past events as Absa and Boars see it happened: There were several examples when RHY cried foul if SkB even approached one of their occupied squares even if it is dozens of squares from their nearest city. Since we are their friends and had tiffs with RHY too, SkB asked for a concerted diplomatic effort by both of our alliances to let RHY know that their behaviour is unacceptable. They were getting the feeling that RHY is trying to take advantage of them as a smaller alliance, and if we both confront them it might get better results. On 6th Aug we heard from Alti that Deimos (RHY) was occupying two squares immediately adjacent to smaller towns in their alliance. SkB began talks, and were essentially breaking them off because they thought they add legitimacy to the occupations, The step following this is the dramatic one of claiming that they will have troops arriving at a certain time - recall troops before then. Policy of accepting such an occupation is inviting future abuse. Opinion has hardened against the time-sharing proposal, on the grounds that the current occupations were illegitimate and rotating occupations likewise. Latest events prior to escalation: On 11th Aug negotiations have
switched from being between Yearick and Alti to Finrod and Buridan.
Finrod had emphasised that he wants RHY and SkB to get along well as
neighbours, and expressed exasperation at the whole rare resources
debacle. On 17th Aug we heard that Alti is still in negotiations with Finrod over the grapes outside her town. On 18th Aug Alti told me that Finord is around and still reasonable, but he's tied up with RL. She was negotiating with Deimos and Yearick, when she issued a sort of ultimatum, Finrod was roused and discussions started to go somewhere. She proposed a reciprocal rule saying that SkB wont settle in the 5x5 square centered around any of their sovs, and they agreed to respect their 7 square rule. Then on 19th Sep we received update from Buridan about another incident of aggression by RHY in putting armies on mines near their cities. In this case Jefke had occupied a mine for quite some time and was away for a couple of days when the army returned to its city. Deimos, as usual, jumped at the opportunity to occupy the square: Information Gathered: Harvestable Resource Square Information: 2500 Iron remain. Harvestable Resource Square Information: 63 6 remain. Troop levels present, foreign reinforcements: Type: Unit: Quantity: Deimos's forces from Minas Mukchuk Army: Siege Corps Division: Demolition Men Commander: Mystery Orc?? Death Pack 1 Troops: Kobold Cohorts 370 Troops: Clan Guardsmen 370 Troops: Death Dealers 369 dave83's forces from Valles Marineris Army: Resource Procurers Division: It was vacant when i sent them Commander: Sir Roger Valles Charioteer 1 Troops: Militiamen 500 Troops: Pikemen 672 Troops: Longbowmen 699 Troops: Men-at-Arms 205 Jefke felt frustrated by this and as latest scout report showed only about 2-3k troops on the square. On 20th Aug expediton from Westley in Turalia was sent from Messer's account and RHY leadership was informed. Same daywe received we received update from Buridan: "RHY's leadership has decided that Deimos should give the mine back to Jefke so there isn't any immediate cause for conflict." They lost on 25th
Despite your troops' defeat, word reaches you concerning the defenders' forces in this battle.
This was first blood between us.... phew  ...will continue when I find more time |
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 22:50
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You can see that Messer's army sent to occupy Trove mine was defeated by Deimos. RHY got so upset that we received demand to punish Messer by ourselves and pay them 30 M gold. They tried to present it as personal dispute between greedy Jefke and RHY, like Jefke is some neutral player They said: " trove mine demanded by jefke. 2 squares from hamsun of skb. offered to relinquish this deposit if that player objects to the occupation. so far no IGM from hamsun. no occupation at this moment." http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/-403/-184" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/-403/-184 So RHY denied Boars the right over this mine because Hamsun didn't respond to their mail, and didn't occupy it with army On 27th another demand from RHY: Absa must pay 70 M by 30th September, alternatevely expel Messer and Hugie so they can deal with them. I can not find those battle reports, would apreciate if someone can post them. As I remember, Messer's army was destroyed again and RHY kept the mine... |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:12
| On 27th Messer's army destroyed the camping army. I don't have the report, lost among a hundred siege camp reports forwarded to me. |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:24
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On 28th RHY begun scouting cities of most our members in Keppen. Next day Neytiri sent them first mail after their "blackmail": "tournament Sent By: Neytiri [Absa] Received By: Indeva State [RHY] Date: 29 Sep 2012 06:55 Good den to the Lord Indeva State, I write to thee with humble biddings amidst this time of foreboding unrest. I know that your ill intent toward our kind alliance is fraught with anger and an attitude – nay, an altitude of entitlement that we ne’er could reach with the tallest of ladders in all Illyriad. Tho while we are well apprised of your feelings in this matter -- however unjust methinks they be – our alliance bids you pause for the duration of the upcoming tournament. We may commence with your hostilities -- be they as unfounded as a tent -- after the tournament concludes if you so wish to continue. We would rather prove our own altitude on Illyriad’s final tournament roster. . . and judge that you would, too. . . though, I caution, you will lose that contest, too. So, unless you are too afraid (or too dim witted) to match your alliance against ours in a legitimate Illyriad tournament, we propose a respite in thy plans for war. What say you, Indeva State? You doubt me? The Noble Sir Finrod can vouch for my stout heart! I will count your actions against our colleagues Messer and Hugie as an answer, though I beg thee to be brave and prove wrong the unbridled rumors of your cowardice! In patience, The Lady Neytiri " We were already heavily engaged in Dark Harvest tournament. Latelly we fell a bit but still high you consider our current diplomatic stance in Illy http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Tournaments" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Tournaments still better than H?, which make us pride :) |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:25
| *proud, sorry |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:33
| What's the goal of repeating the history in a new thread? Are you trying to rally more allies to your cause? Are you hoping that repeating the history will cause your enemies to stop? |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:41
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On 30th Buridan offered us military support from SkB if any siege will lay under our walls. Sneaky persons kept coming in large numbers : Sent By: System Received By: Vty [Absa] Date: 01 Oct 2012 11:26 Operation Against: Summerland Vty [Absa] Operation Type: Scout Operation Outcome: Failed! Mission Report: An enemy diplomatic mision was detected and your counter-intelligence agents foiled their nefarious activities. You have managed to take custody of the enemy agents. You brought 1000 agents to the cells for interrogation. After a period of cunning, careful and diligent questioning by your interrogators, you discover that these agents were working for Deimos [RHY]. RHY also had visitors: Phym [RHY] Alantin 214,859 http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/History/1179" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/History/1179 Siji [RHY] Alantin 164,369 http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/History/41458 Some others too, bit lazy to check all now... |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:43
| History have that bad habbit, dude |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:44
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New provocation from Absa: Hugie Sent By: Neytiri [Absa] Received By: Indeva State [RHY] Date: 01 Oct 2012 15:41 I think I hear a clucking sound from somewhere in Keppen. . . Is that one of your members laying all those eggs? |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:48
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Diplos and feints kept coming, we were aware what is going on yet didn't want to give up tournament and RHY faced another unbearable insult from Absa!  tournament Sent By: Neytiri [Absa] Received By: Indeva State [RHY] Date: 03 Oct 2012 03:56 There's this strange odour wafting over the plains of Keppen, and I couldn't put my finger on until today. . . It's the smell of chicken frying! Is that why you haven't participated in the tournament??? |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:51
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Attacks from both sides kept coming ( Messer didn't have any visits, funny ) New Image for Alliance Page Sent By: Neytiri [Absa] Received By: Indeva State [RHY] Date: 04 Oct 2012 02:35 Dearest Indeva, I thought perhaps you would like a little change of scenery, and I found this picture that you could substitute for what's on your alliance page: http://blog.hirevisiongroup.com/Portals/165527/images/chick.jpg Best wishes, Neytiri |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:55
| Congrats you got the front page of a thread, ironically you didn't say anything RHY didn't say. You just continued repeat the same things and show the same messages. Ironically all of these still paint your alliances as warmongers who insulted RHY leadership. So in essence your 'press office' is doing RHY's press office's job for them. But do continue I want to see how many times the absa 'press office' will say "absa was rude and asked for this war" before you realize what your saying. |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:30
| I believe all parties involved should try reveal the facts, before they get spammed by people who never took part but know everything. I never heard much from RHY members here, and never met their office in game. You are H? but not Phym or Siji. I'm more curious what Siji and especialy Phym have to say, since he participated in most attacks on us. |
Posted By: PirateKing
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:54
------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/external/alliance.asp?AllianceID=401" rel="nofollow - ~SouthSeasPirates~ |
Grego wrote:Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 01:07
| Some pirate.... |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 02:23
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Great another thread repeating the same stuff. Cause you're right. 50+ pages wasnt enough. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 03:00
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And when the history of this conflict is written, it will still be noted, your alliance drew first blood... am I wrong? ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/57338" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 03:16
Hey don't let them have that achievement thats +100 points in MW3.
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Posted By: Daunt
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 03:36
| Wait, so Rhy's excuse for going to war with Absa was that they lost troops on a mine five days after that mine was ceded to Absa? |
Posted By: DeathDealer89
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 03:38
The mine was ceded to SKB, absa had nothing to do with the conflict in anyway until they attacked. I would say the first posts on phew and the RHY thread sum it up pretty well. The remaining 50 pages you can skip.
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Posted By: Juswin
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 05:08
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Siege as a response to lost troops is not a valid response. It is an overreaction. If losing troops over a mine due to miscommunication between the alliances is "first blood", then I would have gone to war with my neighbors a long time ago. |
Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 05:43
In your opinion. ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 07:58
No, we can see that a failed ATTACK was repelled by Deimos, who was already there (since the DEFENDER won) ... claiming to not know good English (while eloquently filling pages :p ) only gives you so much leeway for such "errors" ... ;) Reading that 50+ pages long thread I thought that some major battle was to be done and so help was needed to field the necessary troops, but this is not the case clearly. So, now answer us this ... SkB have proven in this war that they could field MUCH more than the 3000 troops that Messer sent (even Messer himself could field many more depending on his population) ... so what EXACTLY did SkB need to call Absaroke for .?. To deal with a mere pittance of more or less 6000 troops .?. "Phew" indeed ... :p
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Posted By: Neytiri
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 08:10
| Yeah. Great, but . . . where is the recipe??? |
Posted By: JimJams
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 08:40
eheh I love those http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2mRjqiW-JI&feature=share&list=PLB8388DB4B916F41F ------------- 
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 08:57
"No, we can see that a failed ATTACK was repelled by Deimos, who was already there (since the DEFENDER won) ... claiming to not know good English (while eloquently filling pages :p ) only gives you so much leeway for such "errors" ... ;) " True, Dearanzin. Sorry for my mistake. You can see that Messer's army sent to attack was defeated by Deimos. |
Posted By: Rasak
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 09:55
| I tend to agree with a number of others. This topic is no longer valid. We have a situation where a number of alliances have declared war on a number of alliances. This is old news now and I don't believe that it matters anymore. To find peace in all this is above and beyond anything that can be found in this topic. Perhaps a topic with the intent of solving all the declarations of war would be more prudent, or in the least a topic posing bets along the order of: I think alliance x will do Y for 4 mil gold. I might find those more enjoyable and useful at this point :D |
Posted By: Ossian
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:04
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:06
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Not going further in explanation... I must admit that I have failed as leader because didn't use my authority to try prevent escalation of tensions between our alliances, so I am willing to resign. Many will say it's irrelevant but I see it as accepting my share of guilt and one step toward peace solution. |
Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 14:16
I disagree. When the same thing happened one year ago I thought what you said now, that finding peace was all that mattered. Given that one year later the protagonists are the same, I think it is due that every attempt at clarification of what really happened is important. I also think that it is good to hear both sides of a story is a widespread say accross the whole humanity you can find in pretty much any civilization at any time and even in fantasy worlds. Interestingly a number of players have posted in this thread against this, claiming that hearing one side should suffice. And not surprisingly they consider redudant the story told from the side they oppose to... ------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 14:38
Quick Qs:
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Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 06:53
I've been told that sometimes I use language that is inaccessibly dense, but I'm still not able to decode your inquiries. Are you worried that it's not a fair fight? Are you worried that weaker players are getting the business-end of siege weapons from stronger players? If those sorts of match-ups are happening in the first place, it might be hard to remedy, since compromise on anything seems difficult at the moment. I do get the last questions though, and I'm guessing the unanimous answer will be no. From what I've read the what-nots and goings-on escalated to military-grade on October 1st, which is when the tourney started (and was at least posted on the tail-end of the previous day). So if people didn't want a full fight, couldn't they have just done what you suggest via the tourney? Or do you think people are reconsidering now?
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Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 17:38
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The involved parties that first declared war (RHY and then H?) didn't just want "a fight". They wanted much more, specifically the elimination of what they deemed a potential threat. This is what I gathered from KillerPoodle's post. ------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Darmon
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 18:04
That's generally the impression I get as well. Which makes me suspect they won't settle for anything less than the complete dismantling of Consone, one town at a time... Of course, that also sounds like a lot of work, so maybe they'll just settle for some more strategic victories with regards to essential opponents or regions. Like I mentioned in another thread, nobody knows what H?'s intentions are, so it leaves a lot of room for speculation.
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