Training Alliances
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
URL: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=4330
Printed Date: 17 Apr 2022 at 14:34
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Topic: Training Alliances
Posted By: Kumomoto
Subject: Training Alliances
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:27
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We have heard some disturbing intel that third parties are considering using the distraction of this war to attack training alliances. Let me make something incredibly crystal clear: if anyone does this, you will immediately go to the top of our targeting list and be annihilated. Do not for a single second think that we won't stop what we are doing to crush this worst type of scum. |
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Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:42
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"Heard some disturbing intel." May I see such things? It's rather worrying to say the least.
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Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:45
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We've heard that training alliances have some concerns. Harmless wants to go on record that we hope no one will target any training alliance as long as they stay out of the war. Hitting training alliances is not honorable, it's not fair and we hope the Illy community (involved or not in the war) agree with us.
------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Mahaut
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:48
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Speaking only for Victrix here. I have to say that if this is true we would also deal with it in similar fashion. Training alliances are untouchable and should remain so. Kumo we would join with you on this irrespective of any other differences we may have.
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Posted By: LadyLuvs
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 17:56
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It has been brought to my attention that certain players have been voicing these comments in GC. We want to make sure we are protected from the acts of war that are going on. The matter will be addressed between the training alliances of Illy. If the leaders of any of the training alliances, including those that are the training alliances for ascension to brother and sister alliances in the game that are currently at war, please contact me. We have much to discuss. :) I have already been in contact with one leader and will be reaching out to many others shortly. ------------- LadyLuvs Raven, Murder of Crows Alliance |
Posted By: Loud Whispers
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:04
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Starry wrote:Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:10
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Absa will do best to prevent such cases, even if it's about T? ( question mark again ) I am just curious how this works with H's politics:  KillerPoodle wrote:It's been a while since a real war happened so I want to give the average player some insight into how H? does things. We don't attack random folk just because they happen to be in an alliance we are having a disagreement with. We concentrate on the leadership, the active participants (those using their armies), the passive participants (those supporting with their resources) and the forum mouth-pieces. So, if you want to miss out on all the fun, simply keep your troops and resources at home and you likely won't be bothered. TOOTHLESS? We are a temporary peaceful alliance formed to help those who are new to the game. Not only do we train members in the nuances of the game, we support them with resources and materials. We require that our members be active and building. Members are not allowed to attack any player without permission from an officer, active or inactive. Our members are free to leave and join any alliance when they feel comfortable with the game or must graduate when they are between 3rd or 4th city. We are a sister alliance to Harmless?, however, since we are peaceful training alliance, we are not involved in Harmless conflicts/wars nor do our members provide any support to H? members. So T? can decide to become toothed any time they choose....Can we get some insurance that T? will change their name into Toothless until this war ends?
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:12
| ??? Are you trying to make a point, Grego? |
Posted By: PirateKing
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:17
------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/external/alliance.asp?AllianceID=401" rel="nofollow - ~SouthSeasPirates~ |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:23
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My point is that Absa didn't have sister alliance for new players and they already suffered losses in this war. We created one yesterday as asylum for those who wish remain neutral but people feel bad to leave us in such difficult times. One of H? directors (?) told me on GC that new alliance is not needed, like they should just leave us. Do you believe that they will be safe alone when whole Illyriad is burning? I respect your request because I feel it's just, but you don't treat us equal. Kumo, I understand that you don't see the point in that |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:24
Are you serious or something else? T? has never been a military alliance, they have never attacked anyone and to doubt Luvs integrity is offensive. Luvs has taken great pains to keep Toothless a peaceful training, much as I did when I was Chancellor of T? The point of the post is to keep training alliances out of this war and to insure their safety. I recommend you re-read the alliance profile. T? is a temporary alliance for players, they teach them the game and then they move on. It does not mean T is temporarily peaceful and you are aware of that, I am sure. Don't mess with T?, it's a hot button for me. ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: EvilKatia
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:28
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I think they meant by temporary(peaceful alliance).....that the players who go there get their training (in temporary peace) and then choose the alliance they wish to join (peaceful or not) and get involved in whatever those alliances do.(war peace trade etc) If it was otherwise you would have heard about T? attacking other players that are active or alliance etc. so far as I know T? only attack when it is attacked. ------------- Kat 'They have to always turn a forum post into a badly written book that gives a headache and takes your iq points' - AO |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 18:28
No need for three question marks Kumo. Unlike you guys, we do not attack players with 4 towns and 5 towns. Or training alliances. Or really anyone, those that aren't sending sieges at us. We really have a lot of patience. |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 19:21
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Let the off topic posts that will eventually lead an innocent thread to it's death commence... But anyway, I too will step up against anyone thinking they can exploit training alliances just because there are many large players at war. These players should remember there's still an entire Crowilition around.
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Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 19:25
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http://arcanum-illyria.com/wiki/Elgea:List_of_Training_Alliances" rel="nofollow - Training alliances including BSHx, DSA, RHYL, SIBYL, and TDT are http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/thoughts-from-a-new-player-On-current-controversy_topic4319_post55573.html#55573" rel="nofollow - sacrosanct . My alliance has NAPs with all others, notably FORGE, ~FF~, and ~KT~. The same goes for unaligned new players. I don't expect any special problems if players in these alliances decide to participate in fights: Maybe T? or somebody else could offer to collect the evidence for exceptions.  ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/121554" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: EvilKatia
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 19:26
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double post :( sorry computer working bad ------------- Kat 'They have to always turn a forum post into a badly written book that gives a headache and takes your iq points' - AO |
Posted By: Tinuviel's Voice
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:24
| Attacking training alliances will not be tolerated. |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:41
------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: PirateKing
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:46
------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/external/alliance.asp?AllianceID=401" rel="nofollow - ~SouthSeasPirates~ |
Posted By: Sinatra
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:51
That player decided he wanted to attack T? members while they were havesting. This was his second offense by attacking our player Gokor's harvesters. Our Chancellor sent him a mail to advise him to repay Gokor's losses. His response was 11 attacks sent at our Chancellor, LadyLuvs. So yes this tiny little training alliance was provoked, the same way you provoke everybody about everything EF, shame on you! ------------- Vice Chancellor of External Affairs Toothless? Alliance Illyriad's First & Oldest Training Alliance |
Posted By: Sinatra
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:55
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And let's be honest Eternal Fire/Subatoi, were you not on GC making statements about training alliances and attacks?
------------- Vice Chancellor of External Affairs Toothless? Alliance Illyriad's First & Oldest Training Alliance |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:56
------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 20:57
You should check your facts, Pedi attacked T first and he continued to attack even when he was called on it. Luvs tried diplomacy and the player was intent on attacking her new players. Every training alliance has the right to protect their members; they have to keep them safe. If a player decides he's going to continue attacks on any training alliance, they deserve to be attacked. Are you suggesting that peaceful training alliances don't have the right to defend their members and take action if the attacks won't stop? ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: ES2
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:13
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Not saying that Starry..
I should make TLR a training alliance then, send a few resources to a few members, give a little advice, someone scouts me i can raze him and whoever aids him and have such immunity that more or less prophibts alliances from attacking me in revenge.
such wonderful benefits for training alliances.. ------------- Eternal Fire |
Posted By: Deranzin
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:27
If you twist logic a bit more, it will become a circle ... :p Noone, other than you that is, claimed such a thing ... the topic was just about the perfectly reasonable idea that training alliances should remain a safe haven for new players to grow and enjoy the game in a nurturing environment, just like before, despite the current war and so opportunist bullies should not get nasty ideas into their heads. Do you disagree with that .?. If so, why .?. |
Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 21:42
| There are enough targets on both sides of this war without involving training alliances. |
Posted By: Hadus
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 22:05
You have got to be kidding. Multiple people just explained that the player attacked T? SEVERAL TIMES and did not agree to diplomatic resolutions. What do you want, for them to sit their and allow themselves to be assaulted repeatedly? The only way you could have interpreted that the way you did is by assuming T? was lying and the player did not actually attack them, and then you have nothing to back that claim. Read the posts that are relevant before jumping to wild conclusions. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/157483" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Beecks
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 22:43
Agreed. There's no reason this war can't be fought with some civility.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 23:47
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I think some of this has grown out of unfounded fears that training alliances attached to warring alliances will targeted by the warring parties. KillerPoodle has stated that only warring parties are targeted by their side. He made clear that if a player does not fight or supply the warring parties then such a non-participant would have nothing to worry about - even if they are a member of a warring alliance. I think he did except Officers and Key members of warring alliances. But rank and file members should be fine as long as they do not involve themselves. Extrapolating that, affiliated training alliances should also be safe. I assume that the Consone side of the conflict will use similar criteria for targets. I think the one area where things could "bleed over" (pun intended) to training alliances is if a leader or large player in a training alliance is an alt of a warring player in a warring alliance. Such players may be tempted to supply goods or even reinforcements in a pinch. Under those circumstances, it would be reasonable for THAT specific training alliance member to find himself attacked. If there happen to be players/alliances that think training alliances or unaligned newbs will now be unprotected by vets, they will be sorely surprised to learn that there are still plenty of vets not in the war that will continue protecting newbs and training alliances as needed.
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Posted By: Dieneces
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:03
Well put, could have not said that any better myself
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Posted By: Captain Kindly
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:12
:) |
Posted By: LadyLuvs
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 00:13
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T? will NOT provide diplomats, weapons, resources or troops of any kind to ANYONE in this war. We are a neutral training alliance that will protect our members. We do not have to show proof of why to the Illy world. Only those involved in the protection of T? at the time of attacks deserves the right to that information. As for other requests: We aren't changing our name. That is absurd. ------------- LadyLuvs Raven, Murder of Crows Alliance |