[13 Oct 03:21]<System> ** News flash: Harmless? [H?] declares war on Absaroke [Absa] Hostilities may begin immediately...

Make what you will out of it.

There is this group in the classroom, who likes to put other children in the dustbin. 

Some children resist and kick when being carried away, and this is aggression and the group resents it. 

There is this girl in the class who tells these children that it is only a game, and they need to lighten up. 

There are those among the gang who constantly remind other children that being put in dustbin occasionally is no reason to stop coming to class - class is for fun.

And there are also some in the class who believe that the gang is doing this as a favour to them, it's all about somebody pasting bubblegum under their bench a long time ago..

And some more, who thinks that it wont happen to them since they don't chew bubble gum.

There is a disagreement playing out between those who believe that morality and justice are important in Illy, and those who think it's fun to kick people around.

I have an unpleasant feeling that the overwhelming majority will be....

Those who say that morality and justice are important in Illy but won't put themselves on the line to defend that, and will then bleat like (in Grego's phrase) sheep when Illy isn't the friendly, welcoming, supportive place that they thought it was.

You are funny Mag!

Those of us who live as free men in real life do not come to Illy to have a submissive life in a fantasy world.

If fighting alongside my friends in Invictus, Kurdruk, Hathaldir and Turgor is the last thing I do in this game, my years worth of investment was well worth it. See you all out there!

For those who says that morality and justice are 'somewhat' important, enjoy your grass :D

****mod edit****

Someone who has high morality should consider his friend/alliance member's town/life as higher priority than tournament.

I can't understand how someone with high morality still sacrifice his soldiers in tournament while his friend's towns are in danger.

good, clean fun?

as a neutral in the conflict, i thought i might register that neither peace nor any side is helped by a blanket insult issued to everyone who is not fighting for the side you favour.

i have for almost a year had a note on my profile that "Everything Kurdruk says is worth reading."  evidently i need to update it to say "Everything less the namecalling and baseless characterisations..."  have an opinion if you like, but please do not presume to tell me why i am not involved.

No one ever tells me anything.

Yeah, I agree.

Frost ceased tournament involvement as soon as Absa were attacked. I still have one army marching (I think it was a 13d march originally), and one that was on a 7d march which hit recently, but I hope no new tournament armies were dispatched by Frost since RHY declared war.

I *hope* other Consone members took similar steps. If they didn't perhaps they just underestimated the threat that RHY/H? posed. [shrug] It would be understandable - everyone talks all the time about what a friendly place Illy is - if you hear that all the time then presumably you find it hard to believe that something like this would happen.

I am fighting in favour of morality and justice being important in Illy. H? have made it clear that they believe they have the right to attack people when it suits them - see KP's "the game gives me a catapult so I have the right to use it" argument, for one of many examples.

If you believe morality and justice being important in Illy, then you are not neutral - you are on my side. But if that is the case then it is reasonable that I ask why you aren't actually acting in this to defend the victims in this aggression - Absa and VIC.

If you have no opinion on whether morality and justice are important, then you are, as you say, a neutral party, and so I am not insulting you or calling you names, as you are not in any of the 3 groups I describe above.

But if you want morality and justice being important in Illy, and you do nothing to defend that, and then you whine in future, then it is absolutely fair that I call you out for that.

Up to you whether, as the saying goes, "the boot fits."

The logical fallacy here is that you assume there are only 3 sides...

Also, your definition of justice may or may not align with how others would view it.

As for morality, the only moral thing to do in a game such as this is 'what keeps me alive'.  That is the only right and proper thing to do after all.

using point 2 from that manual:

You say: VIC is attacking RHY during tournament.

I say: VIC is helping Absa to break RHY siege camps...

And to answer your question:

Yes of course in my opinion it is absolutely correct that VIC is helping Absa to defend.

I believe that is most important point in Consone agreement - defend each other against aggression.

 

No matter how H? leaders twist and turn to justify their irrational aggression   to the community , they cannot,  by any stretch of the imagination compare  Absa  with "White" or the "Tubana faction of MK" and those who insist on removing Absa cities from Keppen are only doing so because they are stuck in the past of the "old Illyriad".

 

The game has moved on from the old "Siege, Grabbit and LOL" mentality that we have seen in the forums over the last two days. Those who want to prosecute this war simply because they want to stay "top dog" or  just want to "siege cos its fun" are doing the community a diservice because it is plain that community doesn't want this. Many also accept that Absa don't deserve  this.

 

Elsewhere Angrim of mCrow, wrote, that if you want peace "you have to work for it".  H? are now indicating that their armies may attack and siege irregardless of whether RHY and Absa settle this or not.  So it seems that if the community wants peace now it is going to have to fight for it!

Discussions who was the first aggressor are on 35 pages in that other thread... you can find there many people that are pretty sure it was RHY and many pretty sure it was Absa.

hellion19 wrote: Remember it all was fine upto the point H? and was not considered unfair (Absa/ShB/VIC vs RHY) but after RHY had help now RHY and H? are the bad guys.

No I don't remember that. Nothing was fine.

For me and I guess everyone in Consone, RHY are the bad guys since beginning of this conflict.

OK, Bringing up Tubana and MK involves ME.  There was never a "Tubana faction of MK."  There was MK and there was Tubana.   Tubana was the ONLY MK player that lost cities in the MK - H?/Dlords & Coalition conflict.  

Them's the facts, Jax.

Ossian wrote: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rhyagelle-responds-to-absaroke-aggression_topic4306_post55687.html#55687" rel="nofollow - It does seem at this point that a war of some sort is inevitable http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/harmless-h-declares-war-on-absaroke-absa_topic4321_post55689.html#55689" rel="nofollow - .

You forgot to post this message in more related threads. 

Ignorance can be a fine thing, just please don't go trying to hand out buckets of it to the rest of us. Keep it to yourself.

Please show in your vast knowledge of information where Dlord has entered this conflict at all.

None you say? - ignorance confirmed.

Additionally, the game isn't going to go changing into Castleville or Farmville as some desire, It will always be, in part, a war game and T2 has helped to establish this point, and is in fact the one of the very reasons the Devs wanted it in place (increased friction). Seems others need to move with where the game trying to get back to, and what the Devs are, in part, looking for. 

If people have ideas about what should or shouldn't be or how things should or shouldn't be done, advocate for them vigorously!  But using "the devs want it" as a crutch for one's ideas is not particularly convincing.

See, when you put it that way, it actually sounds pretty good. 

Except where the devs state '...the devs want this...'

I just saw this and I can't resist:

H? is a military alliance in a game where military action is regarded with abhorrence and terror.  Sure there is trading, manufacturing and killing wildlife, but if you base your reputation on military supremacy and you don't get to fight once in a while, what's the point of logging in?  Building all those muscles must feel pretty meaningless if you don't get to flex them.

Harmless? is like Rowdy Roddy Piper in the movie "They Live".  They have come here to chew bubblegum and to kick a$$.  They are all out of bubblegum.

Can I be on the no-siege list?

/me decides to believe he was being ironical

I think it is more like this - Harmless' military reputation is like in the book the Wonderful Wizard of Oz - Oz the Powerful and Terrible is actually a 'Humbug' who has fooled everyone into thinking they are powerful, so much so that no one actually sees them anymore, and no one disturbs them for fear of their power (which is not actual power, jsut stage props and ventrilloquism).

Does that put me on the list too?  I didn't mean nothin by it, honest!