Night Crusaders / STEEL conflict
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Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
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Topic: Night Crusaders / STEEL conflict
Posted By: The Electrocutioner
Subject: Night Crusaders / STEEL conflict
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:15
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Greetings Illyrians, We have been asked by multiple parties if we are responsible for the recent rash of diplo attacks on the Steel Confessors alliance. On behalf of Night Crusaders, I would like to cut right to the chase. Yes, we are responsible for all of the attacks. We did this knowing that we would eventually be caught, although much to our surprise, we sent around 200 separate attacks without ever being busted. (This seems so unlikely that it is probably a flaw in the diplo game mechanics.) We got bored and finally posted a graphic of a composite screen shot of outbound attacks to GC. (The screen shot is a day or so old - these attacks have all already landed. We would like to immediately dispel the suggestion that other alliances in the Night Confederation were also responsible, or even aware. They were not. This action was undertaken solely by Night Crusaders, without the knowledge or involvement of our confeds. (I have every single diplo report to prove it, if necessary.) Also, we have canceled all confeds, so that it will not be possible for them to reinforce us in any way, should this digress into a larger conflict. Why did we do this, you ask? The answer is quite simple: Gim annoys us. Chances are good that he annoys you too. He's a nice enough guy on the surface, but he is a relentless meddler, always inserting himself into other people's business to play some angle while pretending to be neutral. The constant maneuvering and the endless posturing is just tedious. He is talk talk talk with nothing to back it up. It doesn't matter if he has 3 STEEL alliances with 100 members and a dozen confeds... he's a blowhard who lacks the resolve to actually DO anything but talk behind peoples backs about things that don't concern him. And we decided to expose that by waging these attacks - and bearing the consequences - alone, and without the help of our confeds. Also, we simply want to have fun. There is a chorus of players in this game who are frustrated, and we are among them. Things are so political that it is nauseating. This is a war game with troops and diplos - they are meant to be USED, not to be amassed so you can feel big when you run your mouth. Many players try so hard to conflate some minor issue into grounds for war, when in the end, some people just want to fight. (In a war game! Go figure.) We're not going to lie about it. We wanted to mess with Gim and his alliance, so we just did it. If you disagree with us and think poorly of our motives, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. In the end, it is just a game, and I recommend that you don't get too bent up about it. Unless you are in STEEL, it doesn't concern you. And if you should decide to join forces with STEEL and attack us, well then you don't have too much respect for them, do you? They are 3 alliances with over 100 members, and we are only 10 players total. You'd think they could handle us on their own, wouldn't you? I know, we don't think so either. He's probably emailing you this very moment to plead his case and ask for your help. Because that's what he does, and it's all that he does. In any case, enjoy the show. You're welcome. Regards, |
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Posted By: Beecks
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:35
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Nevermind. I confused N with NC.  <shame> |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:40
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So, let me see if I understand this... Gim annoys you, and you (NC) attack his alliance leadership? 200 attacks? really? Seems a little... disproportionate. So, you took the AEsir V TRL approach, but rather just declare war, you waged a silent war of your own? If you think it wouldn't affect the community, when one population attacks another, I think you will find you are mistaken. The reaction isn't always equal, nor is it opposite. So the next question would become this - if Gim won't give you the war you seem to want, will you push it further, or find someone else to 'mess with' ? But hey, sorry you are bored, and can't amuse yourself. :) ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:44
| I've gotta say that I admire the honesty of the electrocutioner's post. Very rarely do we see it when someone explains such situations. Enjoy the conflict that you seem to want! I hope the inevitable result doesn't surprise you too much either. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:50
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This is an interesting challenge for Gim and his crew. They have their own style and goals for Illy. Apparently NC would like them to play a different game -- NC's game. I for one hope that Gim and his folks demonstrate the discipline to ignore these pathetic provocations and go on playing their own game, in their own way. Combat in Illyriad can be fun. Attempting to manipulate others to react in a certain way for one's own amusement is just sad -- and likely to lead to disappointment. Hopefully Gim and STEEL will demonstrate the futility of such tactics.
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 03:58
This. Also, I'd edit your main post and take out the parts that could be considered personal attacks on Gim, considering if you don't, I could easily see this thread being locked.
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Jane DarkMagic wrote:Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:04
I don't see anything out of character about those attacks, honestly.
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:08
Ah, but you confirm attacks were made. =P
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Posted By: Gimardoran667
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:17
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I don't think its an attack, and if anyone should be offended and its ME. Carry on. No hurt feelings here. Indeed be careful so this isnt locked and removed ~Gim
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Posted By: Gimardoran667
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:19
| "meddling kids, i would have gotten away with it too! If it hadn't been for you and your Dog Scooby!" |
Posted By: Trelling
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:27
Ha ha ha ... lol... enjoy yourselves ... ------------- In a world where data is coin of the realm, and transmissions are guarded by no better sentinels than man-made codes and corruptible devices, there is no such thing as a secret. Dr Kio Masada |
Posted By: Morphies
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 04:57
| I really love the courage that NC has shown here.. i would like to congratulate you for attacking us with your diplos.. help us realize where we should grow.. all you have done here is help us.. and to thank you for your troubles we will be sending you a gift shortly........... |
Posted By: Gimardoran667
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:08
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Res caravans INCOMING!! ~NC~. you wanted it to bad we will just send you alittle help! from your friends in STEEL ~Gim
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Posted By: Gimardoran667
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:12
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To all players in Illy: We (STEEL) wish you all to help us and send Sir bradly all the small caravans with little gifts of res to help a struggling alliance out that hasnt figured out the true spirit and strength of this game!
When folks come to our game we welcome them with carvans to make them feel welcome and Glad to be here, we just ask the same of NC, Steel Confessors.. killing friends with kindness sense January 15th 2011 Sincerely your personal Grocer, ~Gim
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Posted By: BigDaddyCool
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:15
| Beer is on the way.......CHEERS Sir Bradly |
Posted By: Morphies
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:17
| i got the wood for the Bon fire... PARTY PARTY PARTAAAAAAAAAY!!! |
Posted By: Gimardoran667
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:27
| 13 sets of caravans on the way Sir Bradly! |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:33
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I sent some ... CLAY! Hope it helps!
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Posted By: BigDaddyCool
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:35
| 20 vans with one item each on their way...More to come. |
Posted By: BigDaddyCool
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:35
| I meant 30...still more to come. |
Posted By: Morphies
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:37
lol.....
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Posted By: AdamTheGreat
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 05:58
I was in the red for stone so i though I'd send ya some! 
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 07:57
| 1,470,000 wood on the way. Just because I can't give up the chance to send someone my wood. XD |
Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 10:11
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I cant speak for my alliance, but there are those willing to help militarily or otherwise to defend the justification of cleansing the game of a mindset that diminishes the progress of Elgea. Will look forward to the Steel + GC punks/trolls vs. NC + forward thinking players conflict ------------- ...and miles to go before I sleep. |
Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 10:54
So? If we can't say anything against people in game, why do we even have a Politics and Diplomacy section?
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Posted By: Kilotov V2.0
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 12:49
| pokes out of his own mess... takes a look around, smirks, and returns back in his fortress. |
Posted By: glorfindel
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 13:18
| LOL |
Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 13:53
| u forgot, this isnt a war game, listen i would say more but i have to get back to crafting weapons and working on the 100k army, those npcs are on my nerves and i cant dip them....i am so confused....i need an illy shrink |
Posted By: LordOfTheSwamp
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 15:24
I seriously applaud the honesty of that post. Even if I disagree with the sentiment, I applaud the honesty. However...
Yeah, it does actually. You've just launched a whole salvo of aggressive attacks because you thought it would be fun. If the mentality of the game changes to endorse this behaviour, then that absolutely concerns me, and everyone else who plays.
Ah, and I was so impressed by the honesty of the opening remarks :-( That is completely disingenuous. All players are not equal. Night Crusaders have, at an estimate, 8 players big enough to be heavily militarily specialised, plus two who should have some worthwhile muscle. Steel Confessors have two players big enough to be heavily militarised, half a dozen who should have some sort of muscle, and scores of guys too early in the game to have any significant forces. In other words, Steel are massively vulnerable.
I look forward to seeing how "the community" responds to this. That's the only part of the show that will have any interest/entertainment value. ------------- "A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander. |
Posted By: Kilotov V2.0
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 16:12
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lord of the swamp, do not underestimate the powers of a well coordinated amount of small players. if the coordination works well enough, and those display a certain amount of strategic thinking, they can be a formidable foe. that said, i think this kinda conflict is not necessarily a thing where people shall bandwagon on one side or an other. this is a conflict between 2 alliances. if one comes here asking for help, well then it may concern you as you are called to take a position on the issue, but as things are now, it would be silly to act on a whim and join forces whit one of the two. it's boring to see everyone jump in a conflict that does not concern them. if you want a reaction of the community, here is my reaction: if the show is good i will clap hands, if the show is bad (newbie abuse in war context ) i will want to express my distaste. maybe even mid show.
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Posted By: LordOfTheSwamp
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 16:32
Gimardoran does not seem to be asking for military aid at this point, AFAICT, and NC certainly aren't, so joining forces doesn't seem an option either way. ------------- "A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander. |
Posted By: Kilotov V2.0
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 16:41
| it's just i fear this could yet turn into the usual bandwagonwar.. heck if this ( hopes not, really) turns into a battle where sieges are thrown at players, maybe from people that are not involved, and confederations get in a whole load of stuff will go down. i mean, try to enjoy the popcorn even if the drama is a bitter one to watch.. you may be surprised at the end. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 17:26
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lol, I think Gim and his folks have done a great job of defusing the drama potential in this one. Responding to diplos with ... care-a-vans? Masterful. Enjoy the popcorn, the show will apparently be elsewhere.
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 17:46
Are you actually suggesting that attacking someone diminishes the "progress" (What does that even mean?) of Elgea?
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Posted By: BigDaddyCool
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 18:06
| Did someone say popcorn? O_o |
Posted By: Saura
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 19:15
| Sad |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 20:57
I can personally attest to the fact that Bonfyr had nothing to do with this. He does enjoy a good "party" though. ------------- |
Posted By: Octavianus
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 22:34
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"if you want a reaction of the community, here is my reaction: if the
show is good i will clap hands, if the show is bad (newbie abuse in war
context ) i will want to express my distaste. maybe even mid show. " Too late. New settlements of STEEL members have been dipo-attacked. Octavianus. |
Posted By: Kilotov V2.0
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 22:37
| i have standards for the word abuse against newbs. usually i mean sieged to death. |
Posted By: Octavianus
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 22:58
| Ok :) |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 03:37
invictusa can correct me, but I believe they mean the undeclared war part of it. If NC wanted to issue a fight, then they should have just issued it and not dance about the room ignoring the elephant. The loss of progress being that we don't tend to wage undeclared wars in Illyriad, like in other games. ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 04:30
Huh. I read it as him saying that STEEL (ans the punks/trolls) were diminishing the progress of the game, and that NC was forward thinking. Same offer though. Incidentally, while methods of war declaration may vary in Illy, I don't think I've played any game where declarations are much less clear(and then only due to game mechanics), and several where declarations where much clearer and more eloquent.
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Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 04:37
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oh, I do see that now. Huh, simple misreading can vary the results thusly. :) ------------- Illy is different from Physics- Reactions are rarely Equal, and rarely the opposite of what you'd expect... |
Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 04:52
Since your statement here is in response to concern for newbs... Just to clarify; do you mean new settlements of non-newbs being diplo'ed? That's how I read what you wrote. It's a lot different than "STEEL newbs are being diplo-attacked". |
Posted By: Salararius
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 04:56
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so, you made a bunch of anonymous attacks and then posted about it here because you were tired of all the talk, talk, talk and politics? Wow, you guys really thought this out. You're obviously thinking circles around the rest of us. You owe Grim an apology because he could have turned this into a real political brewhaha if he had wanted to. Here's a question though. If you 10 are so bored and are looking for a real fight, why don't you divide into two teams of 5 and fight a real war? At least then you would have a fight against worthy opponents. Why fight someone you so clearly feel is inferior and why waste the forums time by telling us about it? STEEL doesn't seem to care if you attack them, I don't care, others here don't care. Go find a corner and play a war game if that is your wish. I do not understand why the people that want to play a war game can't stop talking about it and just do it. This "game" can be like 5 or 10 or 20 or ?? games. You can play a wargame, other people can play cityville, others can play tradeville, others can play mysteryville, others can play a large MMOG. If you want a war game, find someone else who also wants a war game like the one you want and start a war game. If you want to tromp around like a bully though, well that's different. If you want to be the self appointed Mrs. Manners of Illy, that's different too. Some people might just object to either of those decisions and you're going to wade hip deep into a lot of talk, talk, talk and politics in either situation. |
Posted By: Rasak
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 07:45
| That seems well said, but I think they choose to have issue Steel. Right or wrong they are doing exactly as you said. They are playing the game the way they want. Who are you to tell them to change it to a different type of game cause you disagree? It seems to me they are playing the war game just as they have pictured it. |
Posted By: N. Chadgod
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 11:27
 I support anything that brings more conflict to this game even if Grim and co. dont seem to care.------------- It's beyond fairytale, it's inconceivable! |
Posted By: Hadus
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 14:52
I can't speak for NC, but it be based on the reasoning of "If you tell someone not to do something, they want to do it even more." Part of the entertainment for these guys probably comes from the sincerity of the conflict, the unexpectedness and unpredictability of it, and the metagame involved in how to handle an organic conflict situation rather than a synthetic, manufactured one. Not a defense of their actions, just a speculation. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/157483" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: scaramouche
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2012 at 18:12
you obviously care enough to warrant a post, and I, as being " one of the others " care. even if it is just from a spectators position.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 00:02
That is fine. It is where they strive to dictate the responses of others, such as suggesting that others should let STEEL fight this on their own rather than acting as allies, that I find they overstep. They have chosen their particular course, but they don't get to decide how everyone else "should" respond to it.
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Posted By: The Electrocutioner
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 02:28
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There have been a number of good points raised in this thread, many of them similar. Kurdruk articulated them best, so we would like to respond to his post.
Kurdruk's point is highly valid. If an alliance is attacking just to amuse themselves, it is very much a concern for all of Illy. However... we did not attack only (or even primarily) for fun. We attacked because we have a target who richly deserves it AND we enjoy it. Both conditions have to be present for us to consider an action like this. We have never attacked and will never attack anyone solely for fun. It is essential that they deserve it. In the case of Gim, the reasons for his deserving it are plentiful. Here are a few: - Some time ago, he tried to get a coalition of other alliances to attack us over a territory dispute that was already resolved and did not concern him. (He failed. And of course he wanted other people to do the fighting, not himself or Steel.) - He contacted one of our members behind our backs to try to convince him to reveal private information and to disparage us. (This failed, and of course our member shared the transcript with us.) - He has tried to poach players from our alliance. (And failed, of course.) - He called one of our members a bigoted epithet that was way over the line and probably not acceptable to post in this forum. - In the Aesir/TLR conflict where ~NC~ provided the majority of the military might, Gim again inserted himself into something that was none of his business. He pretended to be neutral, when in fact he worked solely for the interests of Aesir, where his alt resided. - In the days before we began our diplo campaign, we learned from two separate alliances (with whom we do not have close ties) that Steel was trying to organize attacks on the Night Confederation, supposedly to repay us for our involvement in the Aesir/TLR mess. This was the last straw that caused us to decide to be proactive and attack first. (Gim, your alliance appears to be crawling with the moles of your many enemies. Information is coming to us unsolicited from all sorts of unexpected directions.) We are attacking Steel because they deserve it. And, we happen to enjoy it. But we would never attack anyone simply for pleasure alone. Gim has worked hard over a long period of time to find people to attack us. (As long as it's not himself or his alliance!) Since he wanted the fight so badly, we decided to bring it to him.
Kurdruk is right - our comment there was disingenuous, although deliberately so. (I'd hoped the sarcasm was obvious.) We are very much trying to make a point about how weak Gim and Steel actually are. Gim grew Steel on the premise of being strong enough to stand up to Consone. Really? They can't even stand up for themselves! Anyone who joined Steel wanting to be a part of building something big and strong has been duped. It does not matter how many join or how many sister alliances they have - a weak leader means a weak alliance. Kurdruk commented in a separate post that Gim is not asking for help. On this, Kurdruk is simply misinformed. Gim has sent an IGM to practically every player on the server, and had a chatzy or skype conversation with half of them. The tone of desperation is quite amusing. He has been frantic and tireless in his efforts to find others to fight the battle that he has brought on himself. Anyone from Harmless? to alliances with 3 members have been approached with pleas for them to swoop in and save poor little helpless Steel. We are hearing from a surprising amount of players who have grievances with Gim, and they are quietly cheering us on. We didn't want or expect that, but it is highly interesting. It will be very interesting indeed to see what develops. Regards, The Electrocutioner (on behalf of Night Crusaders) (PS - As an aside, the "tactic" of sending vans with resources was utterly ignorable and would not be worth comment. However, a friend set up a friendly blockade on Sir Bradly's capital, and good dozen or so were sent back limping on a very long journey home. I hope they enjoy having their vans out for a couple of extra days! Please feel free to keep doing that - we found it quite entertaining.) |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 03:15
I would be most interested to see documentation of any of these claims (other than the blockade thing -- it didn't affect the van I sent, so I don't much care about it). I am reachable by in-game mail or forum mail. In the absence of such documentation, I have to say I think it's fairly likely you're making most of this up in a desperate attempt to smear Gim, which is sad when there are so many grounds to legitimately criticize him.  I don't agree with everything that Gim does or the way he does it. If you decide that disagreeing with him or not liking him is reason enough to attack his alliance mates, that is on you. I highly doubt that you have the legions of cheering fans that you have claimed, however. Most people I talk with on Illy (which is, granted, far from everyone) do not support attacking alliance members based on a personality conflict with their leader. I do not doubt that your hearing in this matter is highly selective. Basing decisions on selective intelligence, while satisfying to the ego, can lead one to overestimate one's support.
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Posted By: AdamTheGreat
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 03:18
| i Lost like 20 vans, just sending resc to help out a bit :( |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 03:22
| awww, poor Adam, your intentions were good. It's amazing the inconvenience people will put themselves in an attempt to spite people who are turning the other cheek, so to speak. |
Posted By: AdamTheGreat
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 03:27
| Myr set up a blockade....... |
Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 03:31
Caravans can't hurt you. The reason you responded so rashly too them is that they signify that a number of people are too mature to actually want to waste time on an alliance that is throwing a temper tantrum and crying out for attention like a spoiled child. The Illy community has given you your lollipop, now settle down and take a nap.
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Posted By: Salararius
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 04:02
The last NC post made this post moot but I'll respond anyway. I don't care if two players want to play a war game within Illy. But Illy is a game with war...and politics...and trading...and crafting...etc..., not simply a war game. If someone is trying to reduce Illy to a war game (what I read described in the initial post) then I care about that. If they do so by attacking people they "don't like" (which is pretty random to me) then I really care about that. I care even more when it seems that the fights selected are not even (war games are by and large even contests). Sorry I wasn't more clear the first time. As NC has clearly stated. It is not their intent to simply randomly attack people. With their latest post, they've gone ahead and played Illy with all the elements (politics, strategy, long term planning, organization and war) that make Illy so much more interesting than just a war game. |
Posted By: Rasak
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 04:19
I agree with this. :D They didn't say that noone other than Steel should attack them as I recall, they only said that anyone else attacking them would appear to be an insult to Steel. Not sure I agree with this but they are allowed to look at it from that angle. :D
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Posted By: Princess Xanax
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 12:49
Rill, we owe you no explanation. You seem too have a very large misplaced sense of entitlement. If you're going to call us liars, try being more succinct in your efforts. |
Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 13:09
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and I thought I was watching a rather long drawn out episode of Scooby do, everyone and their mother seem to be involved, which doesn't really help settle the dispute, and not for the first, second or third time, this year... ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/124253" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 13:17
| people shouldnt attack special needs people, remember we all live in glass houses and remember for some people this game has taken has taken over their real life, just be thankful they not on your real neighborhood enforcement committees |
Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 13:53
Again, I do not speak on behalf of anyone but myself. I absolutely despise the sheep of GC that have their little cool points based on how often you log there and spout the mindless GC drivel amongst the fellow "Face of Illy" and the weight that bullsh*t carries across many of the alliances. Look at GC on any given day and you will be able to point out no more than one or two non-.... Furthermore, I feel the object of an alliance wishing to do harm to another for any reason is not the business of the "community" stated above if it does not directly interfere with their confederates. Yes NC was a bunch of dumbsh*ts for stating there actions and there aim. But I find it admirable as well. Cheers ------------- ...and miles to go before I sleep. |
Posted By: Merpdarsh
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 14:48
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Rill alluded to something along these lines, but there seems to be a sort of paradigm shift in your argument for these diplomatic attacks.
You lose me here. We went from Gim deserving it (and a long list of reasons why) to all of Steel deserving it and no readily apparent reasons.
Is this that reasoning? His players were "duped," so they deserve to be attacked? Interesting. Regarding:
If this is indeed the case, then these so called attacks that you heard through the grapevine that Steel was in cahoots to send wouldn't have been that big a deal for you, right? Obviously the next step is to attack the entire alliance preemptively because you have qualms with its leader(ship)? Why not just attack the leader(ship) and see who joined in? Also, is the irony lost on you that the reason that Aesir/TLR mess started was because one alliance had a problem with the leader of another? You opposed that decision then but then decide to make it here? I'm in Aesir, and candidly, I'm not privy to whatever conversations are being held to justify these decisions, but that seemed to be the overarching theme. Feel free to correct me if NC's motivations were different. In addition, the community generated massive backlash against Aesir's actions, yet it seems everyone's just whipped out the popcorn for this one. People (rightfully) ripped on Aesir for attacking small players in that conflict as well; none of that going on here. I could care less about how this turns out and take a very "Rill-ian" neutrality to it all, but this level of hypocrisy is beyond laughable. All those alliances claiming they stood up "tyranny" have gone awkwardly silent. If anything, you guys deserve an award for putting on that sheep's clothing and convincing everyone that this is a) somehow different and b) somehow justified. Bravo.
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 14:50
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Kudos to NC for posting this, and for playing the game. ------------- http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/a/p/45534" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 15:18
hmmmmm, there's a lot of  in all these pages, way to much for me to comment on all of it effectively. So I'll just ask one question and make a few comments. Where's TLR now? Since NC helped them, it's only fair that TLR helps NC out in their time of need. Oh and I suppose we could throw ~KV~ in there as well and BSH was also said to be against Aesir. So in my opinion all of those alliances should jump on the side of the fence NC is on. They believed NC did the right thing in the Aesir/TLR war, so they can't be wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VNBBUp2Cw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VNBBUp2Cw ------------- http://live.xbox.com/en-US/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=G0DsDestroyer" rel="nofollow - Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin |
Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2012 at 15:22
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Discussion finished. No more cursing and name calling. Thank you. Luna ------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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