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Topic: When you act like an ___, you get spanked like one
Posted By: HonoredMule
Subject: When you act like an ___, you get spanked like one
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 21:57
I've been informed by a very authoritative source that I am responsible for informing my fellow Directors and confederate partners that we are being viewed as hostile by a certain alliance of trolls.  Never one to shirk responsibility, and just to be safe, I'm going a bit further and making the whole story a matter of public record.

****mod edit to remove private messages****

It would have been quite unfortunate if we'd had this whole exchange over a single feint, so I hope the Faenorians truly appreciate my efforts to make sure we are on the same page, and are satisfied that I have performed any due diligence.



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"Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now."
- HonoredMule



Replies:
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 23:47
That change to posting private messages really should have been announced via mass mail.


Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 23:53
It was, Brids, I'd post the mail, but then I'd get in trouble with Luna.  Wink

/me is just kidding


Posted By: Gilthoniel
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 00:22
Oh Dear! What happened there HM? 

HM was referring to an attack made by Malpherion on the city of Prometheusx, which is due to land in 14 hours.  In an exchange of mails with HM. Where HM said he would not halt the attack " because he had not been asked to"  by Prometheusx, which is odd because the whole purpose of sending a mail to HM was to try and prevent the attack.  HM then ,presumably tongue in cheek, gave Prom permission to counterattack Malph (knowing full well that Prome has 5 cities and Malph has 10).

Since it became clear that HM himself was relishing this situation and wanting to escalate it  rather than resolve it I did the only thing that a 2 player alliance can do when caught in a situation like this. I told him that "his" alliance's actions are hostile and we would treat all his members as such until such time as Prom's and my account cease to exist or H? cease their attacks...In other words H? may want to have their idea of fun by trying to humiliate us with disingenuous  mails or by calling us an alliance of trolls in the forums but our response will be to "fight" as hard as we can and for as long as we can.

HM even chose to bring this rather small matter to the forum using derogatory titles and language to humiliate us in the forums , but he bungled it and it backfired.

Is this action by Malph a feint or a real attack? This is unclear in HM's post ,perhaps deliberately so, We shall treat as a real assault

We won't whine, we won't beg...and we won't lie or humiliate...we shall fight!





Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 02:27
Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:

..the whole purpose of sending a mail to HM was to try and prevent the attack...
It's a shame that "purpose" was completely neglected in the actual message, which instead focused on pre-emptive assertions of "not being sorry" and refusing to apologize or retract anything (which no one was asking anyway).  For the record, I gave Prometheusx and the rest of his alliance (which I did not at the time realize was only two accounts) my blessing to counteract without repercussions from the rest of Harmless.

I won't bother dithering over it here since the full dialog spoke for itself and I'm not interested in jumping through hoops.  If anyone really wants the story, they can get it in our Embassy.

I guess I wasn't even allowed to post my own private messages (as in the ones I wrote)?  I suddenly remember why I gave up using forums at all, so when I don't answer (or even read) your posts, don't (necessarily) feel personally slighted.


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"Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now."
- HonoredMule


Posted By: Malpherion
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 08:04
Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:

Oh Dear! What happened there HM? 

HM was referring to an attack made by Malpherion on the city of Prometheusx, which is due to land in 14 hours.  In an exchange of mails with HM. Where HM said he would not halt the attack " because he had not been asked to"  by Prometheusx, which is odd because the whole purpose of sending a mail to HM was to try and prevent the attack.  HM then ,presumably tongue in cheek, gave Prom permission to counterattack Malph (knowing full well that Prome has 5 cities and Malph has 10).

Since it became clear that HM himself was relishing this situation and wanting to escalate it  rather than resolve it I did the only thing that a 2 player alliance can do when caught in a situation like this. I told him that "his" alliance's actions are hostile and we would treat all his members as such until such time as Prom's and my account cease to exist or H? cease their attacks...In other words H? may want to have their idea of fun by trying to humiliate us with disingenuous  mails or by calling us an alliance of trolls in the forums but our response will be to "fight" as hard as we can and for as long as we can.

HM even chose to bring this rather small matter to the forum using derogatory titles and language to humiliate us in the forums , but he bungled it and it backfired.

Is this action by Malph a feint or a real attack? This is unclear in HM's post ,perhaps deliberately so, We shall treat as a real assault

We won't whine, we won't beg...and we won't lie or humiliate...we shall fight!



 

Just so you all know, this all started when I was talking in GC about trade, Prometheusx wasn't even involoved in the conversation but then all of a sudden he says.

Prometheusx: I'm trying so hard to have restraint.

Eternal Fire: About what?

Prometheusx: Malpherion, I can't stand him.

Malpherion: Perhaps you can stand being wiped out.

After that comment by me, he never said a thing...

 
So now you know your friend is in the wrong and HM is not provoking the situation at all!
 
This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5 and if your inclined to "fight" as hard and you can, then thats your choice.
 
Malph


Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 08:56
Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

 
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 This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise...
Maybe I'm missing something here. How did he cause it?


Posted By: Malpherion
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 11:50
Originally posted by Garth Garth wrote:

Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

 
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 This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise...
Maybe I'm missing something here. How did he cause it?
 
You are.
Read My whole post, not just the last 2 lines.


Posted By: LTH
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 12:21
It must be really hard in real life for some of these H? players to take insults.  There is no siege or attack player button that can be used in real life.  And if this was done in real life, we all know the consequences of the said action would be... Prison or worse.

So, H?, enjoy your time in one game where you can do what you want anytime you choose.  Because in every other format in life or any other game, you are just another joe. 

H?, put away your toys and go to your room, you are grounded for 3 months.

Another incident that proves H? does not care about the small player, they siege them just like their ally T?.




Posted By: Gilthoniel
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 13:04
Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:


....We won't whine, we won't beg...and we won't lie or humiliate...we shall fight!



 

Just so you all know, this all started when I was talking in GC about trade, Prometheusx wasn't even involoved in the conversation but then all of a sudden he says.

Prometheusx: I'm trying so hard to have restraint.

Eternal Fire: About what?

Prometheusx: Malpherion, I can't stand him.

Malpherion: Perhaps you can stand being wiped out.

After that comment by me, he never said a thing...

 
So now you know your friend is in the wrong and HM is not provoking the situation at all!
 
This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5 and if your inclined to "fight" as hard and you can, then thats your choice.
 
Malph


According to Prome he logged out almost immediately after making the statement about Malph referred to above...after that he never received any communication from Malph by mail. When he logged in the following day, he saw that a force was scheduled to attack his city. Only now is Malpherion trying to make any communication.... and that is only because he doesn't want look bad in the forums.

...but lets look at the previous record of this member of Harmless?

19 Nov 2011  - Made to pay compensation by the leadership of his then alliance [VIC] for attacking, without warning, a newbe member of the sister training allaince VICX
Mails available upon request as proof. cannot publish in forum etc....

8 May 2012 - attacked an abandoned account held by Valar account again without warning and then demanded compensation
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/h-and-valar-who-is-mightier-and-who-is-right_topic3531.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/h-and-valar-who-is-mightier-and-who-is-right_topic3531.html

16 Aug 2012 - launched an attack against prometheusx without warning.

This is all evidence that I am presenting in support of Faenorians standpoint.

The last piece of evidence concerning Malph and H? are contained in the threat that he makes above
 
" Apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5"

The reply is - Faenorians do not apologise to "proven" bullies especiially those who hide behind; and are protected; by the Harmless? leadership.

If we apologise to you now, the record of your past actions referred to above shows that ,you will only do the same type of thing to others. At least this way players will see you for what you are.... and by assocaition the alliance known as Harmless? for what they are.






Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 13:27
Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

Originally posted by Garth Garth wrote:

Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

 
...
 This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise...
Maybe I'm missing something here. How did he cause it?
 
You are.
Read My whole post, not just the last 2 lines.
I read your entire post more than once, Malpherion, didn't see your point as being consistent, and was wondering if you might clarify.
 
The ellipsis were to save the reader the tedium of having to reread the whole post--which didn't seem relevant to the idea that anything had been "caused." What I see in what you posted is that someone said they couldn't stand you and then didn't reply in GC (for unspecified reasons) when you threatened them. So where is the part where he caused this? I'm not saying it didn't happen, just saying I don't see it in what you posted.


Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 14:39

Failed defense by Prometheusx's forces at Wizard's Billet under attack by Malpherion's forces from Silvermoon

Sent By:System
Received By:Prometheusx [FNRN]
Date:18 Aug 2012 12:33
Two opposing forces clash against each other.

Attacking up a small hill offers little advantage, or penalty, to the attacking force.

Defences with a height advantage, however small, are better than nothing.

Attackers: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors:
Commander: Napoleon Marshals Marshal 1 Damaged for 3, 597 health remains.
Troops: Marshals Marshals 15947 566 15381


Defenders: Unit: Quantity: Casualties: Survivors:
Commander: Timoleon Swordsmen Swordsman 1 Damaged for 600, 0 health remains.
Troops: Swordsmen Swordsmen 971 971 0
Commander: Cuthalion Sentinels Sentinel 1 Damaged for 100, 0 health remains.
Troops: Sentinels Sentinels 214 214 0
Troops: Swordsmen Swordsmen 16 16 0


Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 15:01
Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:

Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:


....We won't whine, we won't beg...and we won't lie or humiliate...we shall fight!



 

Just so you all know, this all started when I was talking in GC about trade, Prometheusx wasn't even involoved in the conversation but then all of a sudden he says.

Prometheusx: I'm trying so hard to have restraint.

Eternal Fire: About what?

Prometheusx: Malpherion, I can't stand him.

Malpherion: Perhaps you can stand being wiped out.

After that comment by me, he never said a thing...

 
So now you know your friend is in the wrong and HM is not provoking the situation at all!
 
This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5 and if your inclined to "fight" as hard and you can, then thats your choice.
 
Malph


According to Prome he logged out almost immediately after making the statement about Malph referred to above...after that he never received any communication from Malph by mail. When he logged in the following day, he saw that a force was scheduled to attack his city. Only now is Malpherion trying to make any communication.... and that is only because he doesn't want look bad in the forums.

...but lets look at the previous record of this member of Harmless?

19 Nov 2011  - Made to pay compensation by the leadership of his then alliance [VIC] for attacking, without warning, a newbe member of the sister training allaince VICX
Mails available upon request as proof. cannot publish in forum etc....

8 May 2012 - attacked an abandoned account held by Valar account again without warning and then demanded compensation
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/h-and-valar-who-is-mightier-and-who-is-right_topic3531.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/h-and-valar-who-is-mightier-and-who-is-right_topic3531.html

16 Aug 2012 - launched an attack against prometheusx without warning.

This is all evidence that I am presenting in support of Faenorians standpoint.

The last piece of evidence concerning Malph and H? are contained in the threat that he makes above
 
" Apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5"

The reply is - Faenorians do not apologise to "proven" bullies especiially those who hide behind; and are protected; by the Harmless? leadership.

If we apologise to you now, the record of your past actions referred to above shows that ,you will only do the same type of thing to others. At least this way players will see you for what you are.... and by assocaition the alliance known as Harmless? for what they are.




 
Clap Bravo, you have earned my respect.


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�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien


Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 15:07
Why would you leave your troops inside your city? You must have known they were about to get wiped out. Should have just had them occupy next to you city and let him grab some basic resources.


Posted By: LTH
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 15:11
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Why would you leave your troops inside your city? You must have known they were about to get wiped out. Should have just had them occupy next to you city and let him grab some basic resources.

We talkin about commander skills man, not the game, not the game, we talkin about commander skills man.  

Talkin about commander skills... man.


Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 15:14
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Why would you leave your troops inside your city? You must have known they were about to get wiped out. Should have just had them occupy next to you city and let him grab some basic resources.
How can there be martyrs if there's no one home? This whole thing would've fizzled a bit if there had been no blood shed, hunh? Big smile
Nice to see the flair for drama being so high on both sides!! I'd say that's where the real battle is!


Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 16:40
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:

Why would you leave your troops inside your city? You must have known they were about to get wiped out. Should have just had them occupy next to you city and let him grab some basic resources.
It isn't over yet .


Posted By: Gilthoniel
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 16:51
Following the unjustifed attack on Prometheusx and the failure to resolve the issue by negotiations we have been threatened with further attacks on all cities. A State of War now exists between Harmless? and the Faenorians.
 
We may only be two members but we won't be pushed around.


Posted By: Malpherion
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 17:09
Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:

Originally posted by Malpherion Malpherion wrote:

Originally posted by Gilthoniel Gilthoniel wrote:


....We won't whine, we won't beg...and we won't lie or humiliate...we shall fight!



 

Just so you all know, this all started when I was talking in GC about trade, Prometheusx wasn't even involoved in the conversation but then all of a sudden he says.

Prometheusx: I'm trying so hard to have restraint.

Eternal Fire: About what?

Prometheusx: Malpherion, I can't stand him.

Malpherion: Perhaps you can stand being wiped out.

After that comment by me, he never said a thing...

 
So now you know your friend is in the wrong and HM is not provoking the situation at all!
 
This was caused by Prometheusx and I would suggest you get him to apologise or the 1 attack will turn into 5 and if your inclined to "fight" as hard and you can, then thats your choice.
 
Malph


According to Prome he logged out almost immediately after making the statement about Malph referred to above...after that he never received any communication from Malph by mail. When he logged in the following day, he saw that a force was scheduled to attack his city. Only now is Malpherion trying to make any communication.... and that is only because he doesn't want look bad in the forums.

...but lets look at the previous record of this member of Harmless?

The reply is - Faenorians do not apologise to "proven" bullies especiially those who hide behind; and are protected; by the Harmless? leadership.

If we apologise to you now, the record of your past actions referred to above shows that ,you will only do the same type of thing to others. At least this way players will see you for what you are.... and by assocaition the alliance known as Harmless? for what they are.


 
We all think you are merely a Troll, with an Alt which is the other player in your alliance.
 
Its funny how you can defend someone who is completely in the wrong, interuppted and trolled a chat where he wasn't involved at all and now your crying because your being attacked.
 
And now, you declare war on us.
 
You are the author of your own misfortune.


Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 17:33
So? Am I supposed to siege you two rocket scientists out of the game now? What exactly did you expect would come from declaring war? 

A slightly confused neighbour.


Posted By: Malpherion
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 17:46
Originally posted by Prometheuz Prometheuz wrote:

It isn't over yet .
 
Now you reply? Its very convienient you logged out after insulting someone.
That sounds like Trolling and is laughable.
And your statement, It isnt over yet, it will be soon, 9 more attacks are coming.
You declared war on H:? and at the moment its just me teaching the crying trolls a lesson.
So all your troops and res get taken for what? Trolling.
 
You really are stupid.
 
 
 


Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2012 at 17:48
And with the addition of personal attacks, this thread is finished.

Luna


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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk




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