Pay to win
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Topic: Pay to win
Posted By: geofrey
Subject: Pay to win
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:22
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This game is now pay to win.
Right now, in-game, anyone willing to keep buying prestige can never have their city sieged.
Without the ability to blockade caravans carrying primary resources, a prestiger can quick travel caravans to his town, quick build through sabataging, and keep building his city while the siegers can do nothing about it. No amount of catapults and keep up with that. And it buys the prestiger an unlimited amount of time to get his allies troops from across the map to help lift the siege.
The ability to blockade the transportation of primary resources is integral to the military components of the game. If it was the dev's intention to disable all military actions and turn this game into a e-commerce game, they should of removed all military actions and given everyone a permanent rainbows.
I like to think this was not the dev's intentions. But it happened none-the-less.
If you think I'm upset, your right. My alliance has been attempting to siege a town for 2 days. The siege has been on going for 2 days and the city is now DOUBLE the population size it was when we began. We had blockades up and captured many caravans before the patch, but have given up reinforcing the blockades since blockades don't do anything.
I know this works out great for the company... just keep buying prestige and you can never get sieged! But it is very unfair to anyone trying to siege anyone.
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Posted By: SugarFree
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:34
blockade WILL be put back on, you just have to wait for it. heh..
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:37
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Totally an unintended consequence of the temporary necessity of disabling blockade. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Hopefully we can restore the blockade function as soon as possible.
Luna
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:39
SugarFree wrote:
blockade WILL be put back on, you just have to wait for it. heh.. |
I realize that. I just want to emphasize how dramatic of a change removing blockade was, and how it interferes with the core military maneuvers of the game. I know everyone is busy with hording resources, but we made plans based on how the game operates. And without notice the core mechanics of the game changed, greatly hampering our plans. and costing us troops, resources, and most importantly time.
It's like saying tomorrow I login and all of a sudden the ability to reinforce another player is "temporarily disabled" without notice. It would ruin any defenders plans, but give a huge benefit to attackers.
The same thing just happened to people under siege.
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:41
geofrey wrote:
This game is now pay to win.
Right now, in-game, anyone willing to keep buying prestige can never have their city sieged.
Without the ability to blockade caravans carrying primary resources, a prestiger can quick travel caravans to his town, quick build through sabataging, and keep building his city while the siegers can do nothing about it. No amount of catapults and keep up with that. And it buys the prestiger an unlimited amount of time to get his allies troops from across the map to help lift the siege. |
That is assuming that the player has unlimited amount of gold to purchase items with and there are unlimited amount of offers in the market. This scenario is not possible.
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:43
GM Luna wrote:
Totally an unintended consequence of the temporary necessity of disabling blockade. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Hopefully we can restore the blockade function as soon as possible.
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Thank you for acknowledging. I know it has been brought up in global chat, but I didn't want this issue to be forgotten in the middle of "How/Where/Why do I use/spawn harvester"
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 20:45
Ander wrote:
geofrey wrote:
This game is now pay to win.
Right now, in-game, anyone willing to keep buying prestige can never have their city sieged.
Without the ability to blockade caravans carrying primary resources, a prestiger can quick travel caravans to his town, quick build through sabataging, and keep building his city while the siegers can do nothing about it. No amount of catapults and keep up with that. And it buys the prestiger an unlimited amount of time to get his allies troops from across the map to help lift the siege. |
That is assuming that the player has unlimited amount of gold to purchase items with and there are unlimited amount of offers in the market. This scenario is not possible. |
your right, this still depends on either the gold supply of the player, the number of cities he has, and/or the amount of people willing to send him resources.
But with 2 accounts per player, and 5 towns per account... that's 9 towns that could ship resources to a sieging town without gold or alliance help.
Factor in how much gold everyone has stockpiled, and it gets a little insane.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 21:06
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who is this person, and what's he paying for resources?
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 21:39
i knew it! it's a crowsperacy!
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 22:10
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You're sieging a Crow? In that case ... half price!
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 22:13
Rill wrote:
You're sieging a Crow? In that case ... half price!
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Who isn't a crow these days?
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 23:09
Since there is no choice at this point, let it build and when blockades come back you can raze sooner since there will be more higher level buildings to blow up.
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 23:28
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Hey, look on the bright side, this guy is just wasting real money on a city he's going to lose anyway right?
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Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 23:57
Brids17 wrote:
Hey, look on the bright side, this guy is just wasting real money on a city he's going to lose anyway right? |
Not necessarily.
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 13:52
Has blockading been fixed yet?
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 16:32
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I dont get it, i have sieged active towns, never used blockade dont understand the need for it..
blocking a few res drops who cares with 20 trebs any town would fall within 36 hours of arriving, maybe 48 if its a press user and they focus solely on pop buildings.
Have fun sieging, but i do understand that not being a orc might be your biggest problem :D
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 18:14
Rorgash wrote:
I dont get it, i have sieged active towns, never used blockade dont understand the need for it..
blocking a few res drops who cares with 20 trebs any town would fall within 36 hours of arriving, maybe 48 if its a press user and they focus solely on pop buildings.
Have fun sieging, but i do understand that not being a orc might be your biggest problem :D |
with prestige an alliance can instant supply a town, and instant build in a city. this requires the alliance or player to use large amounts of prestige, so most people don't do it. However, that doesn't mean players can't do it. By performing this prestige supply & build strategy, a city can constantly increase it's population, regardless of the number of catapults.
the only way to prevent instant supply & instant build, is to cut off the resources. That is where blockades come in.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 20:23
it could work ofocurse with enough support and res help, but really if the enemy did that i would be laughing :D they are sponsoring the game greatly and i can keep the siege going forever :D
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 22:04
Rorgash wrote:
it could work ofocurse with enough support and res help, but really if the enemy did that i would be laughing :D they are sponsoring the game greatly and i can keep the siege going forever :D
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Yes. But the problem is there was a reason we attempted to siege, and it wasn't to laugh.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 22:13
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Even without blockade, after the second or third day of siege when the accuracy is way up, you will be losing 30 building levels per hour. I know of no alliance that could resupply for prestige build against that for very long... It's simply a beast...
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Posted By: Carl Zeis
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2012 at 03:04
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Someone who is burning that 90 prestige an hour (along with Kumo's previous comment and not even considering the res input) will be spending about 40 pounds per day just to continue to hold onto the city, so you should really feel proud Geoffrey because you are hurting them so much more than you had initially intended to lol
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2012 at 03:11
It is pretty comical.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2012 at 09:48
Geofrey, you have to enjoy the slaughter :D
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Posted By: Bonaparta
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2012 at 23:47
Hm....
If small amount of catapults is sent so storage capacity does not max out, actually prestige quick building could work even with blockade, since you salvage resources from destroyed buildings...
I saw this strategy when Finnnnnn tried to save his city, but 80 catapults is just too much and in one hit warehouse was down by 4 levels...
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Posted By: JimJams
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2012 at 23:50
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I think Geofrey got a point on this, and the issue is already on developer's list.
It will be fixed. Case closed.
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