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Topic: Crafting/Harvesting/Trade v2 Dev Chat Video
Posted By: GM Luna
Subject: Crafting/Harvesting/Trade v2 Dev Chat Video
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 22:37
Hiyas all!

Below is the video from our dev chat today. GMs Stormcrow, Thundercat and I took some time to talk about the Harvesting, Crafting and Advanced Trade systems that are coming to the game as well as answer some questions from the community. 

Enjoy!



GM Luna

PS. Yes, it is pronounced ERB. Not H-ERB. ;)


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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk




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Posted By: shadow
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 22:48
Thanks guys! Smile

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Posted By: Aemonn
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 22:54
Woop!


Posted By: bansisdead
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 22:59
I can now RP tax evasion, how in vogue, I love it!!!.

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Posted By: Herbalist
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 23:03
Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

PS. Yes, it is pronounced ERB. Not H-ERB. ;)

Oh no it isn't Tongue


Posted By: Chaos Armor
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 23:07
Erbalist? Tongue 

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Thank you, Devs!




(It actually is pronounced "Erb", the "H" is silent. At least in America it is.)


Posted By: Herbalist
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 23:21
Right - so it's ub the H is silent?


Posted By: Herbalist
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 23:22
Thank you all for taking the time to do that.


Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 23:38
did i hear this week? must have heard wrong..  "Rorgash goes back to this cave.."

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Posted By: SugarFree
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 00:00
mind-blowing.  i regret much of my rantings about this now.

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Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 00:19
wow this is blown me away, sits back in amazement, good job devs


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 00:37
Originally posted by Herbalist Herbalist wrote:

Right - so it's ub the H is silent?



H is never silent! ;)


Posted By: gangas
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 00:42
thanks for your time nice job 


Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 00:52
There a transcript or bullet points?

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Posted By: SugarFree
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 01:21
heh... good point there.... if i would have listened just 5 years ago, i would had understood just "Herbs" and "troops"

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Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 01:52
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Originally posted by Herbalist Herbalist wrote:

Right - so it's ub the H is silent?



H is never silent! ;)

Agreed.  ;)


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Posted By: Rymal
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 02:46
My head is reeling ...  the crafting and specialization options are making the game into more of a society -- a diverse one!  It intrigues me the way Middle Earth and of course the world of the Wheel of Time societies do.   I'm not sure if these changes challenge  the supremacy of military might or not ... can't wait to see.  

If I understand correctly, we have a new reason to attack NPC critters; to make them drop goodies (hooray -- because I was getting somewhat bored with just leveling commanders) and squares previously considered unusable will now become more "attractive".  There more be more friction you say ... hrmmmmm...

Very, very, exciting.  Not sure what I should drop first to make more time for Illy; 1) job, 2)hubby, 3) social life ...

Well done!

ClapClapClap


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Posted By: Mara Zira
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 04:12
Here is what was said. This is not a transcript, so it is possible I made some mistakes though I tried to be careful.

In this release, we will have 13 new buildings and 187 new technologies to research.

Current caravan gathering will be the same, but if you send more than one caravan, they will now all gather at the same time instead of one after the other.

There will be 50 different new herbs and mineral types, and dozens of useable drops for animals in successful or unsuccessful battles. There will be generic gatherer units and 3 specialist gatherers (skinner, miner, and herbalist) to gather the rarer forms of these new resources.

Dwarves will be especially good at mining, elves at herbalist, orcs at skinning, and humans are a jack of all trades.

72 new weapons, 53 new armor types, and 9 new mounts.

7 new buildings will be needed to make these new items (horse trainer, tanner, etc.) that work in tandem with your basic productions buildings. You need the specialist buildings, but you still produce the items in the blacksmith, etc. You can build multiples of these buildings to increase the production rates.

Current trade will remain exactly as it is except the seller of goods will pay a sales tax.

Faction trade hub cities will become active, and they will be the only place to trade the new resources and craftable goods. You can also sell the curent items and basic resources. There will be a sales tax, but it will be lower than on our current global market, and it will change as your standing at the hub changes. Also, your caravans take the goods to the hub, the goods are listed for sell, and then your caravans return so they aren't "locked up" until the goods are sold.

Everyone will be able to see the nearest trade hub and use it. There will be a new trader unit that you can send out and station at any other trade hub you'd like to be able to see their market. You send caravans out to the trade hub to pick up the goods you buy. Caravans can now be sent to a hub, and from there to another hub or another town or wait there for orders.

New buildings for Trade V2 are Merchants Guild which determines the number of traders your town can support and Trade Offices which determines the number of buy and sell orders you can have listed from any one town.

Trade visibilty now effects all trades, and you can only see items for sell within a certain radius from your town. Increasing your marketplace level will increase that visibility radius. This will be up to about 100 squares radius. To see further, you need to position a trader in a trade hub. Any trade you can see, you can buy from or sell to. As long as you can see the goods for sell, you can buy--you don't need a trader there as long as you have caravans available to bring gold. But you need a trader there--to have an "office" there--to place buy or sell orders there.

Trade rankings will be reset to zero and your trade score will be determined by the number of times you pay sales tax (the "neutral standing with the faction" sales tax you would have paid).

You can now specialize your armies to specific biones and terrains. Each item has positives and negative trade offs. Something good at attack might be worse at defense. Mounts will increase speed or carry capacity. Some equipment will be better on certain terrains and others in certain biomes. Some are good during the day or the night, some are better against animals, or monsters, or will give a greater bonus if the user is a certain race.

Mineral resources are in fixed positions and can be depleted, but they will generate more resources. They have a limited number of resources to be harvested from them, but they will come back.

Herbs, once completely harvested, are gone but will respawn in another location. So you can guard and tend the herbs to maintain it over time, or just harvest everything and then it'll respawn potentially far away from you. The herbs do have regional or biome preferences, though.

Some hides, minerals, and herbs will be fairly common and they will be used for a lower level of crafted goods. Rare-to-find new resources will be for higher level uses.

Caravans will not cost gold upkeep and there will NOT be different caravan types (fast versus large capacity). Caravans are currently left the same (number of, how much carry, speed). No current plans to change this.

Harvesters pick up your new harvested items. Herbalists, miners, skinners require no upkeep. Trader units have upkeep costs (the cost of running an office at the trade hub).

Giving a mount to a unit does not make it a cavalry unit--they just ride (move more quickly) to the battle site, dismount, and battle as their unit type would.

The new armor and weapons will help defend against certain units or are better on certain terrain, but always choices to make based on trade offs. You can unequip and change your unit's equipage when they are at home.

No new user prestige options with this new release. The double-speed prestige units will also apply to your traders and new gathering units.

The new resources can be harvested by any race, but some of the new equipment is race specific. There will be a few new discoveries that are specific to race--only a specific race can discover them--relating to equipment manufacturing. All races can use that equipment, but there will be less of an advantage to them for doing so.

Dwarven faction areas will have more mines.

Herb patches generally appear in woodland and forests, and minerals on mountains and hills. You can't put a city on mines or specialist mineral mine veins. The general/common minerals and herbs are distributed throughout the land, and you could place a city on those and then that mineral or herb patch is gone and will respawn elsewhere on the map.

Faction standing will be reinstated. You can see them on that faction's page, and your standing will effect the tax rate you pay. If they are below -35, you will not be able to use that hub. In this release, there is no way to change your faction standing.

Players will continue to produce spears, horses, chainmail, etc., like in the past, and that is what you will continue to use to produce your troops. You don't have to use crafted equipment. Crafted equipment is a choice to boost your troops abilities in specific situations. 

Peace of the camp will work exactly the same for the gathering of resources as it currently does with caravans.

You can not send harvesters with the armies, but you must send them afterwards to gather the drops for the battle. You can send the harvester following the army, before the attack has happened, just as long as it doesn't arrive before the battle happens.

Some of the herbs released on the map may not have uses immediately. Some herbs and hides will act as spell components in the future. It was important to get the herbs available before updating current spells or releasing new spells schools that use these components. In the future, currently available spells will need these new components to cast them. But not right now.

The gathering and crafting buildings will only require food hourly upkeep (no other basic resource hourly cost). The trade office building does require basic resource (beyond food) hourly upkeep.

You can claim sovereignty on resource patches, but it will perform the exact same way is sovereignty currently performs. There will be no additional benefits. 

Yes, if a fixed position resource is in an area with no 5 or higher food, then a player might have incentive to place a city there to be close to it despite the lack of food.

Yes, there will be an inequality in distribution of some of these resources.

No new building plots in the cities.

Yes, you can have troops that are equiped differently all in the same division.

Different factions hubs will usually have the gathered items common to the area. (Items rare to the area might be priced higher than in an area they are common). Their visibility will differ based on if you have a trader there or not. Their tax rate on selling will differ based on how much they like you.

Factions will not gather or sell goods in their trade hub (it will be a player-driven market in terms of prices and availability), but factions might buy goods someday.

You produce military units exactly the same as now, but then you can unequip them (and their equipment returns to your town inventory) and change their equipment to specialized equipment while they are in the city.

[Already answered questions..sorry, too tired to type it again.]

No, you can't assassinate other player's traders (at trade hubs) at this time. You can buy goods at one trade hub and ship it directly to another trade hub to sell it.

Yes, some of the animal body parts from the body parts tournament will be making a reappearance in this release. These are the parts that will have uses (and the ones they didn't feel had uses won't reappear). New herbs and minerals and such may be added in the future as new uses for them are made.

This release will come out in the next few days (toward the end of this week).


Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 04:19
Excellent recap Mara. Thank you!

Luna

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Posted By: axer
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 04:32
About the _erb gardens: will there be a cue of some sort to indicate when its about to become terminally depleted?



Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 04:44
Currently you get a message when your caravan begins harvesting about how much of a resource is left at a supply; it also calculates when it will be finished harvesting.  If the caravan capacity is greater than the remaining supply, then the supply will be depleted at some point during the harvest, so you can messenger it home before it finishes harvesting.  This is assuming that you are online to check your notifications and you have an available messenger.


Posted By: Faldrin
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 08:16
How will block and tackle affect the gathering units?

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Posted By: Gimli Son of Groin
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 08:16
Wow, you guys know everything! Thanks a lot for the guide!!

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― J.R.R. Tolkien

“I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien


Posted By: Gimli Son of Groin
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 08:29
Ooh, I have a question that is VERY important!
What happens if you spam sov around the trade hubs? Will it do anything or not?

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“I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien


Posted By: Tatharion
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 11:58
If specialization becomes the name of the game, then it really would help if we could dispatch troops and/or caravans from one city to another and relocate them as as residents.




Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 14:08
Originally posted by GM Luna GM Luna wrote:

Enjoy!
Thanks, downloading took some hours over "reduced bandwidth", and so I heard the first part many times, the rest just now...Tongue  It's very good that those new weapons can be built by all players without special P requirements.Thumbs Up


Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 14:40
umm one question.
I barracks, you'll need to chose for each unit what armour you want for it?
I didn't saw any picture, how training in barracks should now look.


Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 14:43
Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

umm one question.
I barracks, you'll need to chose for each unit what armour you want for it?
I didn't saw any picture, how training in barracks should now look.
I think it was presented as an 'equip' function rather than a 'train' function.


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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 15:04
Originally posted by Albatross Albatross wrote:

Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

umm one question.
I barracks, you'll need to chose for each unit what armour you want for it?
I didn't saw any picture, how training in barracks should now look.
I think it was presented as an 'equip' function rather than a 'train' function.

Hope you don't have to equip each unit individually.... 


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Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 15:35
Yes I hope so. But if you ''equip'' it, does that mean that you chose a number of soldiers  with one armour or what?
I didn't saw any explanation for training in barracks or equiping armours. Ermm Just for harcesting and making armours.


Posted By: Faldrin
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 15:48
Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

Yes I hope so. But if you ''equip'' it, does that mean that you chose a number of soldiers  with one armour or what?
I didn't saw any explanation for training in barracks or equiping armours. Ermm Just for harcesting and making armours.
Would really like to have seen that on the video as well.

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Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 16:13
It's really strange to me. They were talking about every detail, but they weren't talking about army.'
Does anyone know anything?


Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 16:31
Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

It's really strange to me. They were talking about every detail, but they weren't talking about army.'
Does anyone know anything?

yes, some people know some things. 


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Posted By: Mara Zira
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 16:51
You're welcome, Luna. And thank you (and Thundercat and Stormcrow) for taking the time to talk about the new release and answer our questions.


Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 17:19
Geofrey I mean, anything about this! You're funny Clown


Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 22:31
will the server go down when the update happens?


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 22:38
Originally posted by demdigs demdigs wrote:

will the server go down when the update happens?
I think I heard them say "No" to that question, dem.


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 22:43
Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

It's really strange to me. They were talking about every detail, but they weren't talking about army.'
Does anyone know anything?


I seem to remember them saying during the quieter portion of the recording that armies are being abolished and we are all going to resolve our differences in hug/snuggling competitions or something to that effect?


Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 22:58
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

It's really strange to me. They were talking about every detail, but they weren't talking about army.'
Does anyone know anything?


I seem to remember them saying during the quieter portion of the recording that armies are being abolished and we are all going to resolve our differences in hug/snuggling competitions or something to that effect?
Well then, we all know who the new overlords of Illy will be Wink


Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 09:07
Originally posted by Garth Garth wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Originally posted by Elf Dragon Elf Dragon wrote:

It's really strange to me. They were talking about every detail, but they weren't talking about army.'
Does anyone know anything?


I seem to remember them saying during the quieter portion of the recording that armies are being abolished and we are all going to resolve our differences in hug/snuggling competitions or something to that effect?
Well then, we all know who the new overlords of Illy will be Wink


What Kumomoto??!! I don't believe Shocked . Still, I'm not sure. There was some laughing, ''whispering'''...
GM Luna, if you're reading this, can you answer please?


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 17:19
A joke, ED...


Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 17:36
Angry  don't do this again!!!

(just a joke)


Posted By: demdigs
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 18:47
it said on the video u can build multiple of the same buildings, does that now include blacksmith and fletcher and all other t2 res or not?


Posted By: Sivart
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 19:01
I thing that was ment only for the new buildings you can build that will probably increase production time similar to how the t2 buildings work such as parade ground lowers upkeep


Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 19:07
Will the new buildings generally all use up 1497 food p/h?

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Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 19:27
Will there be a list of all the new materials and equipments or will we just have to find them.

If there is a list will it have general and or specific info on the items?


Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 19:59
Idk. There is lots of things that aren't clear


Posted By: SugarFree
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 02:50
i think the new buildings are resource free... i heard that.. so.. no food? :D

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Posted By: Elf Dragon
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 08:40
Yes I think they said something about that SugarFree.


Posted By: Captain Ganoes Paran
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 12:40
i heard some will need res upkeep but they'll all need food 


Posted By: Rohk
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 14:35
As I recall from the video, they said that the two buildings that grant access to the faction markets for making orders (Merchant's Guild and another one) will require resources in addition to food but the rest (for gathering and crafting) will only require food.

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Posted By: Wondering
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 18:32
Can someone enlighten us on the status? The video said "this week" which interpreted as by midnight today. 

Now if there are delays, that's understandable... it's just that you have us drooling.


Posted By: Miklabjarnir
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 18:37

It is still Saturday in Europe. Week does not end until after 23:59 tomorrow in most of the world.




Posted By: SugarFree
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 18:38
i may advise the new people to get used to the fact, that the devs don't give precise dates about anything.
 figures, i want a bug free release, so they shall very well triple check for bugs or such. after all i prefer a late release than a fatal failure hidden bug slipping trough. 
 not that asking would not help, but maybe the answer will still not please you anyways.


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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 19:25
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 20:25
prediction:

Vaults.
Everyone will want one, very shortly.


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Posted By: Wondering
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 20:35
Rill, thanks for the intelligent response. (and I now know where to look for the answer next time).


Posted By: Tihomirovich
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 11:46
I see a problem here.
If I am a small player and there is a mine(s) close to me. And a big player decide it is his he will send big army to camp on it. I can forget about it. Then I look for a mine more far away. But big player is camping there too. Ok... even more far away. Damn big players!!!

So it is nice to have 999 new things in the game but when do I, as a small player, get to use them? In 365 days when I get bigger? Can I get bigger if already big players now see my city next to some mine and think... say, thats a nice town.

This new change could make many smaller players quit.


Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 12:41
Small, new players do not have as much power as established players.  That will not change with this release.  Options for small, new players include joining an alliance and/or being patient and growing.  Another alternative for a small player might be collecting resources that are more plentiful and therefore less likely to be attractive to larger players.  You can also trade for the resources on the market.


Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 13:09
also, larger lazy players are common...

i would pay for harvested stuff  :)


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