Tournaments don't have this disadvantage...

In Invictus we thus prefer diplomatic solutions, as this way we don't loose valueable members, and I'm sure most other big alliances feel the same on that.

And there are plenty of players being atracted to this kind of thinking, that's why we still have a constant recruiting rate...

When two players want to battle each other in bilateral agreement, I'm sure no other alliance would interfere there. But recent conflicts started with one side wanting to fight, the other side not wanting to risk players, such seeking for confeds.  That won't change with changing the momentary landscape of alliances...

To get more combats, you would have to change 3/4 of Illyriads players (me included) into a more offensivly playing sort of people...thus giving up one of the points making Illyriad staying out of all those other browser games...

And that would actually be equal to a tournament again...  perhaps you would be more successful if you'd suggest such a setup as a sort of tourney instead of trying to reach a rearranging of all mayor alliances...

its iffy though, coming and going as you please? a delayed attack or someone sending an attack without realising they left the war alliance would get some PR going on.

I never got that, it's going on near you, so what?

I don't understand this mentality. This is a war game, people will lose their towns and feelings will get hurt. This is what you accepted when you signed up. It's what I accepted when I signed up anyway.

This game is very slow in terms of military actions (actually it's just very slow in general  ) but it is there and without it this game would be nothing but a chat room. I mean.. what's the point of this game to you? Trading items and fighting NPC's with no end goal? Making friends and chatting?

I'm not trying to be rude I just don't understand this overall sentiment from a lot of the community, not just you.

would find yourself ina  tricksy war that you may loose.

end point i think, you cant control war

This is not a war game.  It is a sandbox.  You can play at war if you want.  Others prefer not to.  As long as you don't pee in my part of the sandbox, it's all good with me.

If it is not a war game, why is so much based on hostility, hostility that brings about war?

items:

horses, cows, beer, books, spears, swords, saddles, bows, leather armour, chain armour, plate armour, siege blocks.

8 of those right off the bat are war use only.

how many units that you construct are not hostile?  two diplomat types? three per say but the messenger recall an army so ill count that as hostile.

Might as well ask, "What if everyone suddenly decided to start hating each other" because the lack of major war in Illy comes from people in one alliance having a ton of friends in other alliances and not wanting to fight them.  Thus, when new player X in ABC alliance settles too close to veteran player Y in 123 alliance, there will generally be some kind of peaceful resolution before war because player Y is friend's with one of the leaders of ABC or vice versa.  It's not a lack of love of war, but a stronger sense of camaraderie that makes PVP rare in our game. 

The wars we do see are generally people who are new or who purposefully separate themselves from the friendly community of intelligent individuals that make up Illy.  

thats a big investment to lose in a few weeks.

Heck, I might go rogue!

So, basically, you want to play Evony.  Let me know if you need a link.

Plus, we are still waiting on more game updates, so we will see how that changes the game as well.

So, basically, you'll shoot down anyone who wants to have their version of fun if it interferes with yours?

IMO nothing is wrong with fighting NPCs, I want commanders at higher levels.  There's also nothing wrong with trading, wars are won by logistics, and I still want to be a v2 master trader.  GC can be a major distraction, those precious occasions when Rill or Vanerin reiterate their real estate or commander lectures not withstanding.  Hopefully they offer uncensored chat channels with optional text only emotes sooner than soon™.  I'd love some kind of Golden Monkey Club for all topics relevant in Elijal and Djebeli with http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Faction/45" rel="nofollow - Mataba  as next faction hub.

That's an interesting perspective.  I do think that there are other games out there that capture the qualities that twilights (gameplayer) describes, and that there's not much need for Illy to become another one of them.

I also think that everyone can have fun in different ways without interfering with each other.  Illy is a big place, and there is room for plenty of playstyles.  The idea that "everyone" has to be warlike or "everyone" has to be peaceful is a false dichotomy.  Some people can be more warlike, others can be more peaceful.  

My preference would be that the peaceful people be allowed to live in peace.  Those who do not respect my preference in reference to me or my allies will feel the edge of my sword.  Just because I prefer peace does not mean I cannot make war.

I do see a trend where people who claim to want more war spend a lot more time talking about fighting than actually doing it.  Others are quick to cry hypocrisy and/or wolf, so I shall not do that here.  Although I don't agree with LWO's choice to attack an alliance that preferred to be peaceful, I do give them credit for putting their armies where their mouth was and actually making war rather than complaining about a lack of it.

Rill wrote: That's an interesting perspective.  I do think that there are other games out there that capture the qualities that twilights (gameplayer) describes, and that there's not much need for Illy to become another one of them. I also think that everyone can have fun in different ways without interfering with each other.  Illy is a big place, and there is room for plenty of playstyles.  The idea that "everyone" has to be warlike or "everyone" has to be peaceful is a false dichotomy.  Some people can be more warlike, others can be more peaceful.   My preference would be that the peaceful people be allowed to live in peace.  Those who do not respect my preference in reference to me or my allies will feel the edge of my sword.  Just because I prefer peace does not mean I cannot make war. I do see a trend where people who claim to want more war spend a lot more time talking about fighting than actually doing it.  Others are quick to cry hypocrisy and/or wolf, so I shall not do that here.  Although I don't agree with LWO's choice to attack an alliance that preferred to be peaceful, I do give them credit for putting their armies where their mouth was and actually making war rather than complaining about a lack of it.

edit: added quote

Really now?

I seem to know of a certain pvp that has been occurring in Ursor, pvp that was approved of by the two participants and now certain people are throwing themselves into the matter, would you not call that interfering?

I dont want any of these changes, i dont want any rules i dont want ANYTHING to interfere with any warring i might do, and i dont see a second alliance joining in as interfering but i see mechanics as such.

its called politics, war hurts and its supposed to hurt, if not whats the f point of fighting if it doesnt hurt, i want to be able to ruin my enemy, take from him everything he has ever done.

and yes i can get irritated at people playing police, but if they tried playing police with me i would let my choppas come down fast cleaving everything in their path, and that makes me care alot less.

Rill is one of the few peaceful people around here that i have heard that aint trying to push anything on anyone else, and aint trying to tell anyone what she wants(sure i missed some)

and I HATE ANYONE so wants to change the game from open sandbox to limited weak instance gaming..

This is a great point I'd like to call out. A couple of weeks ago, we even started a thread about ways of increasing PvP. It got what I'd call at best a tepid response/participation, and this during a time when there was a great deal of "grrr, there's too much hugging and snuggling, it gets in the way of decent action!!" from players big and small.

I didn't see a single one of those "stop with all the durn cutesy-cutesy" crusaders contribute to the discussion of how to increase PvP in Illy. The only conclusion I came away with was that the most outspoken "anti-snuggle/pro-conflict" players are more interested in bluster and complaining than finding solutions to the problems they denounce. 

I'll admit, it was a disappointing episode in my Illy career.

So again, to claim that there's this terrible dearth, enforced by the snuggling police/plague, then not have the will to engage the community in the development of alternatives is pretty ironic. (and I'm not saying you're not participating, to be clear; I quite appreciate your voice)

Which is think should show those still afraid of the big alliance joining in. 

also, if you think our war war fair it wasnt, they were bigger then BSH but shortly after the start our allies joined in and we then totally outnumbered them, and NO one joined in to defend them.

People Feel safe to join in, you starting a war and the danger of getting jumped exists on both sides, if they join in some people will look at them with annoyed eyes aswell.

and H? really dont care im sure :)

/me hopes noone takes this post too serious... 

To my knowledge, LWO never requested aid and also started the war out of boredom so no one had motivation to become involved.

And if I am wrong?  .... I will be fascinated ...

Cheers!

Excellent idea, Hora.  I have sent gold to Rorgash.  Next person who believes I am inhibiting his/her ability to engage in PvP, please apply to Rorgash for some action.

There's more gold where that came from, Ror, although hopefully demand won't outpace supply.

Edit: troops has been sent to one asking for more PvP and combat

YOU'RE CYNICAL  that's why I like you 

As Young Goodman Cartman is apt to say, Rymal is hellacool.

Rymall is so cool, I shiver when I say her name

I just started a little over two years ago, but I can certainly see myself getting to that point soon(™) like in another year or two (assuming there are no further updates)