trade ruling
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Topic: trade ruling
Posted By: twilights
Subject: trade ruling
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 13:54
hi, i was wondering if you are going to make a trade ruling, very unclear right now, i notice anytime i do a trade to boost my overall ranking everyone in the game is boosted also. some of us play the ranking game and we use different systems to get high overall ranking....i will try a trade each morning until told of a ruling but right now all is a mystery.......hugsssssssssssss
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Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 15:38
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 18:48
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if you buy someone sold.. was that hard to notice?
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 19:26
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I don't keep super-close track of my trade score, but I'm baffled by the description of this alleged effect. My trade score seems to be mostly affected by my own trades. Weird thing that, my trade score being affected by my trades.
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 19:45
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oh its only doing overall score, not trade at all, we racing in overall score,,,,trade score is a joke
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Posted By: Sloter
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 19:57
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if trade score is a joke then overall score is also.You should have contest in research score, who ever wins that will have true respect , only most fanatical players are ranked in top 20.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:02
Sloter wrote:
if trade score is a joke then overall score is also.You should have contest in research score, who ever wins that will have true respect , only most fanatical players are ranked in top 20. |
I agree that players high in research scores deserve kudos. However, those of us who have captured cities will always be a bit disadvantaged in research score compared to our actual research completed. I'm not complaining about this, just saying that there are some who have more research completed than it "looks" like.
I have an idea ... maybe people could compete with armies. I wonder what that would look like.
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Posted By: Innoble
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:21
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Research is a useless rank to judge players by.
If you build up 10 towns from the ground up and get all their tech it is currently impossible to get rank 1 with it. If you lose whole cities and have to regain the tech in restarted cities, you can get much higher.
So if you're up high it either means you have 10 cities and have them maxed on tech, or it means you had many cities in the past that got completely destroyed or captured.
As Rill says, if you capture towns, you already have research in them, meaning you can obtain less. The actual researching is what gives you points. So capturing will lower your max score.
Research is nothing more than a waiting game in general. Same is true for magic, which is just a matter of having a magic tower up and having it up for long (so it reflects total game-time mostly). The oldest players have the highest magic score, especially if they had their 10 towns very early. Same is true for research with the added issue of capturing or losing and rebuilding towns.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:27
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overall score cant judge a player, size and what you know of him/her from GC or private is a much better way.
but im no score 'hore
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Posted By: Sloter
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:32
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I know :) that is why i said it, compared to other score exploits ranking top 10 in research can be done only by loosing few cities with most of research done in them, and then making new cities and doing research in them.Only players that really like this game have will to recuperate after loosing many cities.As for all scores there is exploit for this one also but it is only exploit nobody will use, so competing for top 10 in research is real chalange.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:37
Sloter wrote:
I know :) that is why i said it, compared to other score exploits ranking top 10 in research can be done only by loosing few cities with most of research done in them, and then making new cities and doing research in them.Only players that really like this game have will to recuperate after loosing many cities.As for all scores there is exploit for this one also but it is only exploit nobody will use, so competing for top 10 in research is real chalange.
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:39
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its just a fun thing to do, there is some strategy involved but nothing major, challege someone close in overall rank and race to a set number, armies like rill said would be fun, figure out who can get largest army in one castle or overall in all, some peeps playing the top overall population, its just fun, i racing to overtake scotfitz with someone, rofl, it might be an endless race but im planning, thats why my trade score so weird, if u see me online ask and i will show u something, its funny, i was actually going nowhere in gains....silly me, but twists and turns make everything more of a challege....hugssssssssssss
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 20:42
gameplayer wrote:
armies like rill said would be fun, figure out who can get largest army in one castle or overall in all |
I was referring to making use of one's armies on the battlefield in a test of strategy and skill.
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 22:00
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oh some alliance talking of having set castle battles, we were doing this months ago, that was alot of fun too, but it takes forever to move armies in this game....might be quicker than catching scotfitz though...imao
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Posted By: Innoble
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 23:47
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text wall ahead (in response to Twilights post), read only if you're interested in the ranking system.
Well if you're planning to catch Scottfitz you will have to work on all ranks, including attack rank. The way the overall scoring system works, all ranks will always be considered equally important, no matter how high they go.
Bumping your trade score will do nothing for your overall score since you're already nr 1. You have the highest possible trade score contribution to your overall score. It cannot get higher even though your tradescore will.
So if you want to go up the overall ladder, work on other ranks. Most likely, you will have to go all the way past Scott in Attack since you can't speed up research and magic (both in which he almost has the highest scores possible, like you have with trade). Then there's defense, in which he also has a sizable amount etc.
The reason I am so close to him is because i have similar attack and a much larger diplo score to offset his magic advantage. My tech and pop are also similar. Our trade scores are almost 0 because they are compared to yours (percentage-wise). Your 92 billion makes scotts 8 billion and my 1 billion worthless as a part of overall score (it is based off of the nr 1 player)
It is pretty much mission impossible for you to pass him unless you completely change your playstyle and have a year or so off work :)
It is quite hard for me too. All I can do is attack. I can't negate his magic advantage, though it will drop over (a long) time, in relative terms (which is what overall uses). So it is more of a matter of who gives up playing Illy like a crazyman first.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 02:22
Innoble wrote:
text wall ahead (in response to Twilights post), read only if you're interested in the ranking system.
Well if you're planning to catch Scottfitz you will have to work on all ranks, including attack rank. The way the overall scoring system works, all ranks will always be considered equally important, no matter how high they go.
Bumping your trade score will do nothing for your overall score since you're already nr 1. You have the highest possible trade score contribution to your overall score. It cannot get higher even though your tradescore will.
So if you want to go up the overall ladder, work on other ranks. Most likely, you will have to go all the way past Scott in Attack since you can't speed up research and magic (both in which he almost has the highest scores possible, like you have with trade). Then there's defense, in which he also has a sizable amount etc.
The reason I am so close to him is because i have similar attack and a much larger diplo score to offset his magic advantage. My tech and pop are also similar. Our trade scores are almost 0 because they are compared to yours (percentage-wise). Your 92 billion makes scotts 8 billion and my 1 billion worthless as a part of overall score (it is based off of the nr 1 player)
It is pretty much mission impossible for you to pass him unless you completely change your playstyle and have a year or so off work :)
It is quite hard for me too. All I can do is attack. I can't negate his magic advantage, though it will drop over (a long) time, in relative terms (which is what overall uses). So it is more of a matter of who gives up playing Illy like a crazyman first.
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You could put some armies on some mountains and try to get people to attack you, thus increasing your defense score. Or you could siege someone; that would practically guarantee that they would attack your siege camps. Or you could get someone to siege you. Siege engines give really good experience, so it would help your attack score.
/me is just full of helpful suggestions like that
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Posted By: Innoble
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 08:24
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 09:36
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Get Anjire to siege you, he has like hundreds of siege engines. You could be No. 1 in attack overnight.
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Posted By: Innoble
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 10:48
Rill wrote:
Get Anjire to siege you, he has like hundreds of siege engines. You could be No. 1 in attack overnight. |
umm I am already nr 1 in attack lol.... I guess I could stage some fights where people attack squares i am camping on. To get some defense score. Anyone interested in smacking my armies?
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Posted By: twilights
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 12:07
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everytime i do a trade my overall score stills goes up but so does everyone elses innoble urs should gone up like 40 to 50 million the last few days, just trying to get the devs to make some sort of statement or ruling about whats going on, if u have time ask and if its still happening i will show u, racing in overall points is fun!
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Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 17:19
Rill wrote:
those of us who have captured cities will always be a bit disadvantaged in research score compared to our actual research completed. | Those of us listed in the Herald's "most capture attempts" column can reduce their score checks to daily. And others like me checking their known to be bogus and reset soon score more frequently should seriously try to get in some of these more relevant lists.
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 17:51
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There isn't really much of a statement or "ruling" that I can make at this time. Nothing has changed recently about the trade (or any) ranking system. We are aware that the trade score system is imperfect, as has been noted by the dev team in the past. It will all reset when the new trade system comes into the game. (No, I can't say when that will be.)
Luna
------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 17:58
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:18
"We are aware that the trade score system is imperfect, as has been noted by the dev team in the past."
| 1 | twilights [DARK] | Dark Empire [DARK] | 93,027,949,024 |
| 2 | darkkisser [TNH] | The Night Hunters [TNH] | 91,226,186,218 |
No prizes for guessing who the alt of twilights is.
To put it into context... the next highest trade rank is almost 1/10th of these two accounts.
As innoble I think pointed out: The effect of this is to make everyone else in the game's trade scores completely meaningless in terms of it's contribution to their overall score.
Is it right that one player with an alt, a gold stack, and WAY too much time on their hands can render every other player in the game's trade scores meaningless?
Tbh calling the trade system 'imperfect' is a bit of an understatement.
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:20
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Creature, if I used the phrase GM SC has used to describe it I'd be breaking my own forum rules. ;)
Luna
------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:21
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SCREW RULINGS!!!!
and would it be possible to get weekly progress updates from the devs, dont have to be long just we have worked on this or we have done this, working on that now :) we know you work but for us we never see it until we get it all 
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:25
Rorgash wrote:
SCREW RULINGS!!!!
and would it be possible to get weekly progress updates from the devs, dont have to be long just we have worked on this or we have done this, working on that now :) we know you work but for us we never see it until we get it all  |
Nope, sorry. It would serve to only confuse and frustrate everyone if we told you what we were doing all the time. Priorities change quickly and often and we need to stay flexible without freaking out the community in the process. :)
Luna
------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:26
Rorgash, that would spoil all the surprise!
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:27
PM me :D and yea i know how things change all the time, and you change what you work on. but a PM would be fine by me
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Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:30
Nice idea Rorgash.
I want to know what SC had for breakfast... and what color socks TC is wearing. (I suspect chainmail colored ones... to reduce risk of rematch between teacup/spider tag-team and foot)
@Luna: yep I seem to remember SC mentioning something like that quite a while ago. Probably self-censored. ^^
I always took the view that I'd rather see new content than a rankings overhaul anyways so I'm not too fussed about the whole thing. Was slightly surprised about how extreme the trade thing in particular has gotten since I don't check these things very often though I guess there is always someone who will take things to another level. 
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Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:32
Createure wrote:
"We are aware that the trade score system is imperfect, as has been noted by the dev team in the past."
| 1 | twilights [DARK] | Dark Empire [DARK] | 93,027,949,024 |
| 2 | darkkisser [TNH] | The Night Hunters [TNH] | 91,226,186,218 |
No prizes for guessing who the alt of twilights is.
To put it into context... the next highest trade rank is almost 1/10th of these two accounts.
As innoble I think pointed out: The effect of this is to make everyone else in the game's trade scores completely meaningless in terms of it's contribution to their overall score.
Is it right that one player with an alt, a gold stack, and WAY too much time on their hands can render every other player in the game's trade scores meaningless?
Tbh calling the trade system 'imperfect' is a bit of an understatement.
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Actually, that's not twilight's alt... ;) And if, by chance, the measurement is borked from the get-go, does it really matter if it makes the scores without meaning?
A false hypothesis yields... what again?
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Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:38
If it isn't his alt then it is his buddy/friend/granny or whatever with a city very close-by... really it makes no difference what the exact relation between the accounts is - the effect is still the exact same.
And as I said in my previous post - no I'm not bothered about the meaningless trade scores - and I'm not trying to accuse twi/dark of anything (other than wasting their own time on a pointless grind).
I was merely pointing out their 'achievement' because I was surprised at how far anyone had bothered to grind away at score manipulations.
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Posted By: Innoble
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 20:49
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Ah well... I guess a lot of what goes on in internet gaming is "pointless" grinding. Take old school mmorpg which had people bashing the same monster for hours just to gain another level. They would get a big congrats for that also. I don't mind giving Twilight kudos for effort.
Of course it would be cooler if there was some kind of skill involved, but concentrated effort and single-mindedness can be admired as well :)
I think I might have tried the same if I wasn't playing only 1 account and if I didn't already know tradescores will be reset.
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Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 21:13
Innoble wrote:
I think I might have tried the same if I wasn't playing only 1 account and if I didn't already know tradescores will be reset. |
I think I told her last year that the trade scores will be reset, so she wouldn't be upset when they get rest. The way she talks when I bring it up to this day is that she doesn't care and wants it to be fixed. She does it for the ranking and when it is reset she will do her best to be number one again. I told her how the developers have said how the new trading ranking system will be. They probably changed it by now, but I can assure you she will do all that she can to be number one again.
Its just who she is. :P
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