Forum name ≠ Account name
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Topic: Forum name ≠ Account name
Posted By: Babbens
Subject: Forum name ≠ Account name
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:16
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It is already a couple of times now that I have noticed that having two different nicks, one for the forum and one for the game, is somehow frowned upon. I would like to know why, exactly. From the very start I thought it a good idea to keep the two things separated and I will continue to do so; but I find it disappointing that my posts could be ignored or ridiculed - regardless of content - only for this reason. Still, if it has to be that way, so be it. |
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Posted By: nightfury
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:26
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If you do not have courage to post using your real gamename then why do you get surprised when your comments are ignored or ridiculed. Everybody has a stake when they post something, Some posts can have a hidden motive. When you hide your identity your stake/hidden motives can not be clear. As far as my knowledge nobody so far has got attacked in this game for posting in forum with real names. Trolls are exceptions, anything can happen to them and not only forum, just there presence on GC attracts attacks. |
Posted By: Babbens
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:43
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I don't feel I'm hiding or lacking anything. If those are are seen as reasons, ok. I guess I'll only read the forum from now on. |
Posted By: Dew
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 09:47
Yeah my guess would be to keep from feeding the Trolls. knowing a players background in the community can help with forming a response. for instance a player like Rill, Honered mule, or The_Duke, would get responses which assumed they had a large understanding of the game, a player like myself would get responses which (hopefully) assumed mediocre understanding of game mechanics. also simply knowing that a forum post is from a player makes it more valid as it is understood that they have a stake in the community. Lastly i would like to point out that i searched the forum for post(s) where you (babbens) were ridiculed or ignored, to no avail, let alone to find an instance where your having 2 nicknames was "frowned upon".
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nightfury wrote:Posted By: Babbens
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:02
| They were not infact, I'm not writing this because I feel offended in any way, I wrote "my posts could be ignored or ridiculed". If I did not get much of a response, I chalk it up to content only, but it is nothing personal, I assure you. I just would like to understand the general feeling on this, |
Posted By: Southern Dwarf
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:07
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Get a signature with your ingame name like me ;) ------------- Also known as Afaslizo ingame. |
Posted By: Babbens
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:29
Now, why didn't I think of it?  Done, why doesn't show it? |
Posted By: Babbens
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:32
| Ah ok! :) |
Posted By: nightfury
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:57
As far as people know your identity, your forum name does not matter, putting name in post or signature does the job.
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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 18:04
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I am wondering if this would really work or if there would be a lot more accounts created just to go post. If there were a family with several computers in the house, then it wouldn't prevent anything really. But I still agree 100%
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 18:19
| oh how quickly that could get abused by a troll.. just wait until someone puts someone elses name there and starts creating enemies |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 18:24
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Yes calico - this was a concern of mine as well... for this reason alone, there should be a restriction where forum names must connect to the player's in game name. Perhaps make a feature where the forum will send a code to the player's name in the game - and the in game player must validate the code to be able to post in the forums. -------------
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 18:27
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the reason my name isnt my ingame name is because i changed my ingame name a few months back :( IM NOT A TROLL!!! IM A ORC!!! WAAAGH!!!!
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 18:55
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Easier to say that staying in a powerful alliance Sunstorm. If forum names needs to be the same as ingame name, there will be a lot of diplo attacks against those smaller players who fail to respect the bigger ones. Ofcourse, the bigger ones would spit over anyone they wish and call it 'justice' (as we have seen only very recently). I wonder how many folks in the smaller alliances will want to have such a restriction. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:28
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I'm not a fan of trolls, but given the number of unpleasant mails I received since I posted in a recent thread (also many supportive ones, and thank you), I can understand why some people wouldn't want to use their in-game name. However, I have not been diplo'd, militarily attacked or blighted, just told that I was on some people's naughty lists. Naturally it's not very nice to be on the naughty list of a fairly powerful neighbor, but my experience thus far has been that there has not been direct retribution. In any case, while I prefer to identify myself and take my lumps, as it were, I can also understand why others might rather not. Edited to add: Since nCrow is not yet a top 20 alliance, I think we could be categorized as a "smaller" alliance, although I prefer to think of us as a "not-yet-as-big-as-we-might-be-one-day" alliance.
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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:40
No, the point that was made is that I could create an account and call it "_______" which would not be my real in-game name. Then, if I called it "_______" and there was already a player in the game named "_______" - well, this player would get a bad rep for what I am posting. This is the issue. If someone created a forum account using the name of a different in game player, it would not go over well... That was the point. -------------
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:48
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Pardon me for interrupting the FUD party, but there are several players who use their in-game names here and actively "disrespect" or otherwise speak against the bigger players/alliances. Few if any can identify a single act against them that was provoked by their words here. If you want to know how volatile and hostile the upper echelons are, check out "that big 35-page thread" that recently appeared. I'll be generous (from my perspective) and suggest that you assume the larger force was at fault. Note the magnitude of "transgressions" which triggered that outrage...and then note the lack of any other such threads over the last 6 months. Logically, there can only be 3 explanations: - that incident, however minor, was a major incident compared to the server-wide norm - hidden powers are normally very talented at hiding these incidents, and took the day off - any action involving certain players/alliances receives an entirely disproportionate amount of attention It's possible that the last explanation means hostilities are more common and the actual inconsistency is with the supposed community influence. But at the very least you can take several names from that thread and match them to thriving in-game accounts. You can check their forum history and find a history of vocal dissent against much stronger powers. You can check their alliance history and probably also find at least a few who have little or no protection from significant political ties. When I speak on these forums, few people ever see me or consider my words, but rather respond only to my position and the assumed bias that accompanies it. I can understand the desire to escape that from time to time, but I do not post under any other name because doing so would be at least a little deceptive. Speaking anonymously is closely akin to sock puppetry, not to mention indistinguishable from it. And people are correct in correlating my position with my opinion. They may presume to reverse the causality--my opinions and standards have directed me into this position, not the other way around--but it is certainly appropriate and intelligent to at least consider the two together. Hiding your identity also hides your agenda and bias, and most people who do so (at least here, but probably in general as well) are protecting that...not their cities. Because the community here is well-familiar with this situation--frequently reinforced by the perennial trolls--hiding your identity greatly diminishes the influence and credibility of your voice. That changes if your forum behavior demonstrates intellect and wisdom, but it's an up-hill battle. At least initially, people will associate new anonymous posters with the dismal characteristics of those anonymous posters we've previously encountered. Even if you do not wish to reveal your identity, however, I'd strongly recommend you register your in-game account names here, lest in the future someone else miss-use your identity. And if you do wish to reveal your identity, note that anyone can put any name in a signature. At least forum names can only be registered once, which makes a standard relying exclusively on them the only way anyone can protect the credibility of their own voice. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:57
| I got warned by my Alliance after i Called you names HonoredMule :P a few months back in the improvements thread, they didnt want me to make you angry :P i didnt know who you were back then |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:00
Let's leave Linux users out of this one. They are completely innocent and I'm sure do not deserve the barrage of attacks and harassment that they are about to receive now that HM has brought them to the attention of the community.  |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:03
You are part of the Crowalition which I think most of the community recognizes as a single power block and the largest mega-alliance.
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:06
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I can't be blamed for what your leaders fear I might do, but
if I were the sort of person to return violence for insults, their
warning would have been too late. I do recall you being more than a
little crude and belligerent.
It's a terrible shame if no one thought of a less cowardly reason to endorse speaking respectfully and pleasantly to one another regardless of position or power. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:18
We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Well, almost nothing. I have been playing Illy for about eleven months now, and one phenomenon I observe is similar to Seligman's description of learned helplessness. In this well-known experiment, some dogs were submitted to random shocks from which they could not escape. Others were provided a means of avoiding the shocks. Dogs who could escape quickly learned to do so. However, if a dog was first subjected to the condition of inescapable shocks, that dog had trouble learning to escape if the escape subsequently became available. How does this relate to Illy? As we have seen recently, Illy affords the opportunity for those with power to administer relatively random*, severe punishments from which there is no opportunity to escape. Under this condition, many players have seemingly forgotten the many options they have to respond flexibly and cooperatively in similar situations. Many seem to be resigned to their fate and mostly respond by complaining about how warlike Illy isn't or some such similar theme. I sincerely doubt even those nefarious villains at H? ( ) have deliberately concocted this as a strategy intended to maintain a docile "populace." It is rather a snapshot of a natural human response as it appears at this point in time.At any rate, I believe it is more the exaggerated fear response in other players, rather than specific likely actions of H? or other powerful alliances that cause reactions like the one Calico Jack described. This is one we cannot lay at the feet of H? It's all us, as it were. *The punishments are not entirely random, since they do relate to a predecessor action on the part of the player being punished. However, different players might be treated differently depending on established relationships in the game, and the magnitude of the punishment is quite severe in relationship to the offense, so while this is not entirely random it is at minimum unpredictable and arbitrary, or appear so to those not involved in inventing them. There is some logic at work, we just do not know what it is.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:24
Ah, but there is significant doubt among the community at large and indeed among the Crow Federation itself about when push comes to shove who will be doing the pushing and who the shoving. Or at least there should be, as I seek to foster this sort of doubt at every opportunity. |
Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 21:59
We might have an infestation of crows, but a few hawks can take care of that problem. But I do not seem to recall any hawks in Illyriad. What a crying shame. :( |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 22:17
If there WERE hawks, I think they'd go after the ducks first. Just saying ...
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Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 22:20
| Well looks like us crows and ducks have to work together to keep the hawks out. :D |
Posted By: Dew
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 22:21
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Ah where would the World be without Trolls. I have notice throughout this thread that most responses reinforce one of two positions. 1 not linking your account to your comments can generate Troll fodder. 2 a fear of reprisal for comments made in the forums is a valid reason to disassociate in game names from forum names. I would like to address the fear of reprisal. I do not believe fear of in game reprisals for out of game (or even Global Chat) actions is a warranted concern for 2 reasons. First if unsubstantiated attacks were made against players the in game the community has already shown that is quick and fierce to quell such behavior. Secondly if larger players were really abusing their power/positions I believe the community as a whole would be powerful enough to stop them for the previously mention reason. Perhaps this last belief shows my naivety but I honestly believe it. It is for this reason that I ignored the fear of reprisal in my previous post. I would like to add that one should consider the implications of fearing comments being associated with the speaker. I must wonder if the comment isn’t valid enough for the speaker to allow it to be associated with themselves should anyone else be concerned about it.? Perhaps it is for this reason that the right to face ones accuser is in the US constitution. It is to this point I believe Honoredmule’s comments allude. Lastly I would like to request players refrain from H? bashing in this thread. There are already 2 threads dedicated to the recent events regarding this issue… please leave these sentiments there. |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 22:24
| So now its just for the forum managers to let us change our names then, i woudnt mind changing my name back to my ingame name |
Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 22:42
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Since I forgot to stay on topic, some times it is best not to link your in game name to your forum name. Yet, on a game like this, there is really no down side. The wost you can do is make a few friends and get a few people against you. If you are here to get someone mad enough to attack you through the game, then you shouldn't be posting it in the first place. |
Posted By: LordBliss
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 23:38
sock puppets rock! they even have sock puppet porn!
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Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 23:40
Send me a PM and I can change forum account names for you. Luna ------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 23:41
Yeay, will do Luna 
Edit: and a few minutes later, very few indeed i have my real name
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 02:20
| grats Rorgash |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 04:28
Aw noes... I have a problem. I had vowed to raze your first born city to the ground when I decided that I held different opinions to yourself on the forum... as soon as I found out who you were in game. But now... I discover you are a fellow Orc! I could never clash spears with a fellow Orc.  |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 04:40
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Just hire a dorf to do it. Dorfs will do anything for enough gold. |
Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 05:49
Good idea, as I had no clue what a Southern Dwarf might be, but recall the names of my honoured sponsors.
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