Alternative Prestige
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: Miscellaneous
Forum Name: Suggestions & Game Enhancements
Forum Description: Got a great idea? A feature you'd like to see? Share it here!
URL: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=3513
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Topic: Alternative Prestige
Posted By: Khèlbên Khál
Subject: Alternative Prestige
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 17:55
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Forgive me if this is posted in ignorance, but... In several browser based mmo's i've had the pleasure of pouring my life into there is/was the potential to purchase in-game credits (prestige) by performing circus tricks. Activities such as filling in survey forms, watching selected adverts and the like would earn money for the game company whilst freeing the player-base from the need to think up imaginative excuses to feed their spouses or parents. Whilst I'm sure this will have been considered in the past, I did not come across a suggestion of it in my browsings. Ofcourse, I will be requiring commission should you implement any proposal I proffer. Long may your industry bring thee and thine much that glints and gleams. Khazâd aimênu! |
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 19:15
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Probably this would be better in the Suggestions portion of the forum. You have the opportunity to "earn" prestige by referring new players to Illyriad. When they use your link to join and grow to 100 population, you get 50 prestige. Prestige can also be won in tournaments and competitions such as the writing contest. I have experienced some of the "free" prestige opportunities used by other games. Many appear to be scams that seek personal information to use in phishing scams or similar. Even those that don't require participants to reveal significant amounts of personal information that it would be unwise to share with an anonymous information taker. Others are very clearly created by companies whose job it is to "promote" certain websites in google search results but artificially creating hits on certain key words. This distorts the validity of widely used search engines. I can imagine that such programs would also be a headache to administer, given the large number of complaints they likely generate. Having to parse through the available programs to identify those that meet the high ethical standards to which the Illyriad team holds itself would also be time-consuming. In summary, I think it is a valid idea but there are too many issues with it to make it useful to implement at this time.
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Posted By: Khèlbên Khál
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 21:42
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Did you move the thread? it is (I thought I did post it) in the suggestions forum. Apologies if it ain't so. At any rate.. The posting title you possess implies an official position, but I'm currently under the impression the position is not official and thus challengable, so i'll reply ;) In my opinion: If IG so desire i'm sure they could find a non-interactive package that requires no information exchange whatsoever. Sure, some of said operations are a long way from ethical, but imo it's about time ppl started letting govt make legislation rather than whining in their hundreds of millions about whatever the axis of wikiboogle tell them to. It is a revenue stream, making money is not unethical. It's never the wrong time to make money. It can be the wrong way, fine. Illyriad is 'affiliated' with Facebook & Google. I fail to see this as an ethically high standard. The two largest breakers of (at very least spirit of) IP law in the world. Two companies that make billions out of users, rarely providing your average joe with any real idea of what information they're selling and for how much. If it's worth billions, ain't it funny that users never see any of that money? ANY website can implement a system by which 'artificial' keywords are offered more weight than they reasonably deserve (or indeed call more hits) yet it doesn't matter as much as it might, ranking by keyword 'hits' alone died more than a decade ago. *People who do not wish to partake do not have to. *Under 13s should probably not be capable of partaking if it is accessed through the game interface. Anyways.. |
Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 00:12
This system that your calling for will degrade the value of Illyriad as a whole. So no thank you.
I would say to enjoy your time on Illyriad, but I do not think you will last long with that attitude. |
Khèlbên Khál wrote:Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 04:38
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lol, the posting title I possess is available to anyone with more than 1000 points on the forum. I am not a member of the Illyriad staff, and I do not even play one on TV. So please feel free to challenge! I responded only as another player. I did not move the thread, although I suspect a moderator might have -- it originally appeared in the general questions portion of the forum. With regard to Illyriad being affiliated with google and facebook, they do interact with facebook and google and people are referred here from those sites. However, they are not more affiliated with them than other companies that do business on the Internet. Making money is a good thing, and I hope the devs make a lot of it. However their philosophy of how to make money holds them to a higher standard. I direct you to their comments in "About Illyriad": http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Home/About" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Home/About
It is possible that carefully chosen free offers might show players who choose to participate the sort of respect and dignity demonstrated by Illyriad developers. However, it seems that the effort required to select and monitor such offers would likely exceed the return, making them ultimately unprofitable. If such can be achieved profitably while maintaining Illyriad's history of respect for the playerbase, then that would address the bulk of my concerns.
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Posted By: Khèlbên Khál
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 10:36
Oh am I new & strange? Coming along to the forum with foul twisted ideas & a weak sense of humour? I do apologise Ducky and very sorry I am to learn of your lobotomisation. In an attempt to be patronising..Companies maintaining an ethical system relies in large part on their customers reminding them that they find great value in said system, well done Rill! Quackers, if you'd like to offer a 'reason' like Rill has as to why it might be suboptimal, fine, but IG seem fairly competent, even if their CEO does seem to have misplaced some of his marbles. I have a friend who got stung 'doing' one of these things, but I have no sympathy at all for somebody who gives their cc details to a perfect stranger whilst drunk. Still, I'd say it's unethical to put people on sleeper contracts. I'm no expert in the field though one would expect to be able to find one morally respectable vendor in most industries. I find nothing ethically suboptimal in the principle, anyway, though obviously practice is open to question. You are correct ofcourse Rill, that there would be questions to be asked and policies to be considered by the company, but this is the case with every line of code & post that goes published or unpublished. If it is deemed to be counterproductive obviously one would not expect to see it. Anyway mk2. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 15:52
 Luckily, Illyriad's staff aren't half as sleazy as you imply they are, nor 1/4 as sleazy as you suggest they should be. Are you here to play the game, or as representative to a coalition of spammers? ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 17:22
Do you think we play this game while sober? |
Posted By: Quackers
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 17:50
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I do not feel like degrading a system (surveys) that already has so many bad reviews. Look at different mmo game companies and you will see they have had problems with online surveys. IGG, Nexon, ect. Even people scamming other people by setting up their own surveys and saying they can give the cash to players. It is all just a black box that only creates more problems in the end. One main problem I would have with it, is the increase petitions that will occur. People saying "I did not get my cash", "This site charged my cell phone bill", "Why have I not got my points yet", "It put a keylogger on my computer". I mean the list can just keep going on. If there is a way for something to go wrong, it will. I see it best that scams like this are not brought out. And most are scams. You should just be happy with the 1 free point you get per day. I saved up 100 and spent them all, got me a nice boost and a chance to recover my resources afterwards. (Really only saved up 50, got another 50 for free since illy staff gave it out). Let the staff work on the game and not on problems that do not need to be there. |
Posted By: Mandarins31
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 18:36
aah, Murphy... I suppose he would say that idea has high probabilities to respect his law
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Posted By: ZetaAlorix
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 06:49
| You can do offers on Facebook itself for credits. On the Facebook buy page, click on "More payment Options" and choose "Earn Credits. |
Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 13:45
*grins* Looks like you've quantified their sleaziness :o) What were the variables?
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 13:49
| cough up the cash and help the game develop :D |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 21:10
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Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 22:59
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For a short while I played a different game much smaller in scale than Illyriad. They had an option where you could purchase their in-game currency with GameStop "Power up Reward points." @Devs would this be possible for prestige? ------------- ...and miles to go before I sleep. |
Posted By: White Beard
Date Posted: 08 May 2012 at 01:54
| It used to be possible to use FB points on an account you were sitter on and your own account. This is no longer possible, but was a very nice feature. Now you can only buy prestige with them. I do miss that option as it is no longer possible for me to help a mate out when they are not watching and their wait time is days long. |