Writ of Notice (Dark Empire)
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Topic: Writ of Notice (Dark Empire)
Posted By: Sisren
Subject: Writ of Notice (Dark Empire)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 18:20
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Writ of Notice Under this writ the Dark Empire intends to make it clear to all, and public to all, without exception. Recent Events within the confines of Global Chat have shown to the High Council of the Dark Empire that such a Writ of Notice may be advisable, due in part to those who seemingly clamor for war and aggression and yet claim to extol peace. The Dark Empire maintains that the protection of our members and our allies is one of the precepts of our operations. The recent threats to that protection in GC, and ongoing expansion into the areas described below, are the primary agents of this Writ of Notice. For all points of reference, the Dark Empire makes measurement from it's Capital as listed on the profile for Dark Empire. For all purposes herein the border extends 300 squares in all directions from the Capital, broken into 3 regions. The Dark Empire's Heartland Region is said to be a square within 100 squares from our Capital as shown on our profile page. The Heartland is and shall continue to be reserved for the Dark Empire, with the exception being any that may already have settled there. Incursions will not be taken lightly, nor will they be without notice. This is a place where fools rush in, where angels fear to tread. Caveat Imperium. The Frontier Region the Dark Empire is reserving for the Dark Empire as well as our trusted Allies. This region extends to 200 squares from the Capital. Again, those who are not yet allies and are settled in this area may abide in peace with the Dark Empire - there is no quarrel with them. Any who wish to settle or locate to this area may do so at the pleasure of the Dark Empire. Incursions here will be given proper notice. The Outer Limits Region of the Dark Empire extends to 300 squares from the Capital. Dark Empire will settle into this area as desired by our members. The Outer Limits will be monitored for aggressive actions. If any questions on this arise, please freely contact any agent of the Dark Empire High Council, as denoted within our alliance profile.
All My Best, Sisren, Dark Consul of Peace |
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 18:30
Let me know how that goes when a new player who doesn't read the forums settles a city there. -------------  |
Sisren wrote:Posted By: LordOfTheSwamp
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 19:14
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Hmmm. I'm with Brids on this. (300 squares radius is a very big chunk of the map. 100 squares is pretty substantial.) If by this you mean that you intend to pick a fight with other big Alliances who might deliberately settle there and then start goading you, well, hey, if you're all having fun, then enjoy the wars that will ensue. I'm all for consensual violence! But if you mean that you reserve the right to bully, victimise or boss around players who happen to settle there without scrutinising the Forum in detail... that's a very different proposition. ------------- "A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander. |
Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 19:55
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Not in the least do we intend to Bully or Victimize - quite the opposite. There have been some rather openly hostile comments and threats made towards the Dark Empire. These comments and even actions taken were not just limited to DARK, but also our friends not in DARK. If you look at where our Capital lies, you will see it's not as big as you think, a great portion is cut-off of the map. Also, this is not to say we wouldn't welcome company, but give us the courtesy of at least knowing that you are moving in - otherwise t'is a bit rude. With regards to the other Big Alliances here, we are already in or working towards confederating with our neighbors whoever they may be. Sisren, Dark Consul of Peace
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Posted By: Angrim
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 20:15
| With the understanding that not everyone agrees with this practice of claiming swaths of land one doesn't currently inhabit, it really would be easier to track them if there was a central place they could all be posted. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 01:11
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Wouldn't it be prudent to require all DARK members to move within the given domain before making a claim? Doesn't this seem like a double standard? (that is: saying others can't move into your territory but allowing your members to move wherever they wish) (o.0) -------------
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Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 02:35
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Any new player settling an area should practice some level of situational awareness. When John Six-Pack is finding an area to settle, he has been playing long enough to know that teleportation is a rather serious endeavor. With the common sense he has gained from his long hard 7 days of growth he will more than likely look about the region he is planning on moving to. When he sees that the square he was interested in is surrounded by big cities belonging to BSH for example perhaps he will say "Hmmmm maybe I ought to talk to these guys to see if they will be nice chaps." On the other hand he might choose his city placement by way of throwing darts at a map. Lets say in RL you move to the big city and are with a real estate agent looking at houses. He is talking your ear off about how nice the house is all the way to this fixer upper. But you really couldn't help but notice that everyone walking down the street and gathered on street corners in the immediate vicinity of the house were wearing red t-shirts with baggy pants and red bandanas. Does that sound like a place to bring up your children? This is all about tolerance. Can an alliance clumped together be tolerant of a few tourists who happen to wander into their territory? Will they be greeted with a flower lei or the proverbial glock turned sideways? It becomes obvious when an intolerant alliance begins intruding for the sole purpose of goading the other alliance. If that becomes the case, do not be surprised if there is more than one alliance that will step up to defend the other one's sovereignty. ------------- ...and miles to go before I sleep. |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 03:51
| Big talk. |
Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 04:48
And who might that be directed toward? Toward Dark? There is nothing wrong with stating the intent of an alliance's area of control. They did not come out and say "we are [TMM] join or die." Toward the naysayers in this thread? There is nothing wrong with ensuring that the interest of the individual remains safe. Toward me? I merely illustrated both sides without taking either. If you are speaking of my lack of concision, a quality that you just so adequately demonstrated, well why speak at all if not with magniloquence? If it really bothers you I could use smaller words. ------------- ...and miles to go before I sleep. |
Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 05:16
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Back talk. ------------- "Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM) |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 06:30
See, that's not what you said. You said:
Which implies you'll do something bad, (siege, attack, force them out, etc) if they move there. In fact, you didn't even state they could settle in the 100X100 square you claimed, you made it sound like it was death if you settled there. Might want to think about editing your original post if that's not what you meant... ------------- |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 08:39
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DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!! Oh wait...I forgot which side I am rooting for... (0.o)
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Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 09:06
| I claim all of Keppen for Jane DarkMagic... Incursions will not be taken lightly. But on the other hand, she might not do anything at all. Depends on her mood that day. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 09:23
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I think its cool. As long as alliances play nice with unaffiliated players, I dont see why claiming an area is such a bad thing. The game makes it real and relevant to do so... |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 15:50
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I actually agree with Tordenkaffen and think more alliances (that chose a central hub) should claim it. However, I feel it is outrageous to claim a land where nobody else can settle while that alliance settles wherever they wish.... (>.<) (No, you cant sit in that chair...it's mine - but in the meantime I am going to go sit in this chair over here) -------------
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 18:41
| In that spirit, I claim all the squares on which my cities are located. If you want them, you're going to have to fight me for them. |
Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 21:09
I disagree. It is perfectly fine for someone to claim the chair and sit elsewhere. And if someone tries to take their claimed squre, both parties will settle the matter with a fight. Unless one of the parties was makign outrageous boast without any intent to back it up with military might. |
Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 22:59
| I just want to bring up H? because no one else did. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 23:11
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I doubt H? would really care about any claim as they can afford and win any war they see fit at the moment. That also makes bringing H? into this discussion rather void as the claim is a deterrent to mainly everyone but them :) And regardless how large H? should ever grow to be, I doubt their ambition is to control all of Illyriad by themselves, so one might assume they would be interested in cooperation. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 00:30
Good point Silverlake. To be specific, if H? wants the squares my cities are on, they are going to have to fight me for them. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 00:31
Now I must disagree with you. Why should anyone claim more than they need? Why should I reserve the right to one location but then go all over the map and not actually concentrate myself in that location. It is excessive. And then to make any hint of military use if someone encroaches upon the reserved space... *sigh* I have no intention of moving to that location on the map and I agree with them completely on players contacting before shipping over settlers - but to truly reserve a location as solely one alliances domain, then the alliance should remain within that location. I know you, and probably others disagree...so I will not say any more on the matter.
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Posted By: Sisren
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 01:38
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Hi Sunstorm, I wanted to chime in on some of the points you make. DARK being outside of our area: - We have been and will continue to actively move our members to the area we specified. - New members joining DARK are found spots within the area we outlined, and are highly encouraged to move (I do not recall the last member that did NOT move) Area of the Claim: - if you look at the coordinates, you will see that the claim is MUCH smaller than you may think, and we are filling it up and out rather nicely. Hints of military action: - Still the veiled threats are mentioned in GC tonight. The persun making the statements is rather clear that they would like to Piss in my Wheaties. I do not want any of my Comrades to have to eat their Wheaties with someone's piss in it - do you? Which is the worse issue here - some members who have openly attacked others in the past and are now trying to engage another alliance in fighting? Or an alliance stating upfront that we want people to know 'What We Stand For' and 'What We Won't Stand For' ? Surely you can disagree with me, and I am ok with that. I don't need to convince you that I am right or wrong. I just seek to inform. Thanks for your time. Humbly, Sisren, Dark Consul of Peace
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 01:44
| I'm online a lot of the time and I haven't seen these veiled threats. Who is making them? |
Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 01:52
| And what's with the extended urine metaphor? I think we could do without that. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 02:28
However, making a claim on a land and moving your members to this location forfeits claims elsewhere: Say (for example) another alliance expands their border in the middle of the map and they strongly desire DARK members (who are currently established there) to move out of the area. Would DARK go to war to defend a member who has been requested to leave - possibly coerced/forced with diplomats and other such actions? If that alliance is larger, you might feel threatened and forced - if they are smaller, you might feel arrogant and retaliate. If (for another example) a DARK member moves into the territory of another alliance and that alliance threatens military action if your member remains there (as you most likely would were another alliance to move into your claimed territory), would your alliance go to war to defend your member that moved outside this territory? If the other alliance is larger, you might abandon your team-mate to the wrath of another alliance - if the other alliance is smaller, you might disregard their grievances. Setting out boarders becomes problematic. I worked on coordinating such claims when in the Armoniosa alliances - and it does become very challenging. The only advise I can offer is that the claim on land will only truly 100% work if all the alliance members stay within the area claimed. Otherwise, all kinda of problems arise. Thank you for listening and I am sorry if I have wasted any valuable time. Final Disclaimers: I support your claim until someone gets hurt or until the flying monkeys come and take me away. Also, I in no way speak for or represent anyone other than myself. (I think) -------------
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Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 18:16
Oh the understatement......... ;-)
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2012 at 19:32
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@ Sun, My point was really that it is a sandbox. Do what you want to do in the sandbox, just don't get upset when other people do the same.
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Posted By: JimJams
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2012 at 17:26
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I don't yet have a personal position on the matter, but I feel very interesting the territorial claim evolution this game is heading. Dunno if it is for good or not, but is quite interesting. ------------- 
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Posted By: geofrey
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2012 at 17:51
Land disputes and treaties recognizing claim to resources and real estate are the purpose of all diplomatic and military endeavors. The Devs have even mentioned their desire to give good reason for territorial disputes by adding in additional resources. The Illyriad community has shown itself to be a funny monster in regard to real estate claims. Most forum members seem to laugh off territorial claims and publicized treaties, while at the same time honoring unspoken ones. All of this can be evident in the post requesting land claims to be posted ( http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/land-claims_topic3149.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/land-claims_topic3149.html ) .
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Posted By: Albatross
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2012 at 18:03
| Hm... "within 100 squares" that's 0.78% of the map, and a very ambitious claim. I'm not sure quite how others would respond to assertions like this, but it would be interesting to see what happens. |