The Long Road to the Top if You Wanna Rock n Roll
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Topic: The Long Road to the Top if You Wanna Rock n Roll
Posted By: abstractdream
Subject: The Long Road to the Top if You Wanna Rock n Roll
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 00:06
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The Road to the top of a mountain is Long and dangerous and thrilling and enticing with a view to everything at the top. Wagon wheels slip and drop stones on travelers below. They curse you and move on, making their way on a different road, a more traveled and "safe" road. Why would someone want to take the road less traveled? It isn't something you can readily put your finger on. It could be I suppose, but no one I know can easily explain the urge to deviate from the path. It is longer, and more likely than not you're going to fall and scrape the proverbial knee, but you go none-the-less. You Travelers of http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Alliance/501" rel="nofollow - Bonfyr Verboo
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Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 06:11
| Nice start, good luck mate. |
Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 11:37
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I am just a grunt in TLR, but I have been around. I just want to say this.
We are doing pretty well in The Long Road right now. We are only small but we are very active. Even so our players Salahdin, lilman and D Trooper did very well in the latest tourney. These are players of the future and they don't mess around
We have plenty of laughs in alliance chat and plenty of fun as well but our leaders work hard to make sure that the alliance stays active. The best thing about being in this new alliance is that our leaders tell like it is. Eternal Fire ; Bonfyr Verboo put in a lot of organisational work.
If you are the kind of player who knows the value of travelling a hard road - join us.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 05:38
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lilman has since bolted from TLR along with 5 others to form HEAT. Good luck. ------------- |
Posted By: Abraxox
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2012 at 08:34
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TLR™ is an interesting path to travel, and as a wise man said, life is a journey, not a destination. Interesting people travel this road, and there are secrets to be learned. One of the leaders, Eternal Fire, is flame, incarnate, and the other, Bonfyr Verboo, is an extra-dimensional being. As for myself, I'm a "visitor" from... shall I say, elsewhere; a very, very long road away, indeed. This group of people is growing, and fun to play with.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 03:31
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In my short time travelling The Long Road I have encountered many diverse play styles, abilities and interests. Many members have come and gone and I am beginning to better understand the type of player TLR is more suited for. There is a philosophical divide that exists today in Illyria. On one side are the players who want to warmly welcome new members of the community, gift them with a variety of resources and guarantee their safety. On the other side are the players who believe in self sufficiency and freedom of choice. TLR's philosophical bent is towards the latter view. While we will send resources when asked, we also expect our members to be able to stand on their own, in resource production, in military production or what have you. As many alliances do, TLR has its rules and the membership is expected to follow those rules. There is a clearly codified set of laws that TLR is governed by. These laws are open for any member to review at their leisure. TLR is attempting to grow in a direction of strength. Population numbers do not define strength. We have a strict activity guideline but if one is not the growth oriented player many bigger alliances require, TLR has a place for you too. The Long Road is travelled over months and years. It cannot be covered in a week. If you understand and want to join an alliance that expects more from its members than the occasional hug, that is not afraid to listen to and act upon input from its members, that will defend those members with competence and decisive action, that has room for advancement and will reward right minded thinking, then TLR may be the alliance for you. ------------- |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 04:52
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Right minded thinking?
http://www.montypython.net/scripts/right-think.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.montypython.net/scripts/right-think.php I disagree with the divide you perceive. I believe that there is no shame or danger in being helped along the way. Most players naturally want to become self sufficient; others may require an occasional nudge. Helping others is also a choice, and no one is forced to accept any sort of assistance. If you don't want to help new players with resources, that's just fine. But don't pretend it's some sort of righteous cause. I help new players because it's fun for me and seems to be fun for them too. Not because I'm on some sort of moral crusade. I strongly doubt that how much or whether to assist new players with resources is anything like a defining difference on the server. Sure, some people may disagree about the question, but with the exception of Eternal Fire, who frequently appears to adopt positions merely to stir controversy, very few people have much passion about this non-issue. And what about the fact that if others try it out and then choose not to travel your path, you feel the need to siege them to somehow entice them to remain in line? Was that "listening to and acting upon input from members"? I understand this is an attempt at recruitment, but since you have taken digs at other alliances in your post, I think it is reasonable for others to comment on the hypocrisy of your position.
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Posted By: invictusa
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 06:41
I must abstain from witholding nondisregards for TLR in keeping it real and not putting their members in a welfare state. There are a few newbs I know of with 10 cities who could not have gotten there without a little bit of power building and a lot of welfare stamps.
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abstractdream wrote:Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 07:07
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I was not attempting to accuse you of a moral crusade with regard to your helping new players. I was defining a difference in philosophical views as manifested in the approach of many players to the GC community (certainly you are formost in this arena.) It may not be a "defining difference" but it is indicative of the difference that does exist. You pointed to only one example of what you consider to be hypocrisy. I will assume there are more, since the tone of your post was mostly derisive but I can only address this one for now. I can only assume you a talking about the siege of some members of HEAT. As Eternal Fire has stated before, the reason TLR went after HEAT was for issues related to recruiting. I personaly am not as interested in halliver's rinky dink attempts at underminding us as I was in his covert and overt activity in and around Ursor. By "remain in line," maybe you mean not plotting to attack us as soon as they were able? In that case, yes I was genuinely concerned that HEAT would not remain in line. Listening to and acting upon input from members happened again just yesterday actually. Prior to that, we have made major changes in policy based on member input. Those members who are interested in speaking up not only have a voice but in every case to date have been able to get things done, change what they don't like or make a difference in how TLR is operated. halliver himself rose to the position of military commander, a position he held for a month, until the day he abruptly and without notice of any kind quit TLR. I admit the word "hug" may need to be Illy-copywritten. I do have a bit of hugophobia going on, but honestly I was not trying to call your alliance out. I was actually tring to call out everyone who snuggles, huggles, sniggles and whatever other dripping form of greeting there is. I'm just not a snugly chat fan but I do not have a problem with all of the lame touchy feely crap that usually goes on in the snugly crowd. I can ignore it. My refence to hugs was taken wrong and I should not have gone there and for that I appologize. ------------- |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 07:20
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You cannot be more or less than what or where you are not with or without the help you may or may not have gotten at sometime. Or not. Seriously, I understand it's true for you but I won't focus my play that way for all of us in the same small frame build and rebuild is the name of the game ------------- |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 07:56
| I posted a response here. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 08:01
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Then I recognized the futility of the endeavor. |
Posted By: Bartozzi
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 08:35
| Lol |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 14:33
But this is quite brilliant! LMAO! |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 16:31
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*notices his other members posted tidbits of philosophy* uh.. if we are referencing the war..  I wake up in the morning feeling like Aetius Grab my sword, , ima pillage this hamlet, before i leave, talk some "trash" in the Global Chat cause when i leave for the fight, i aint a comin back I'm talkin rallying all my members (members) gathering all our weapons (weapons) GC blowin up my inbox (inbox) swords clashing, killing enemy soldiers.. pulling up the sieges trying to get a new towwwnn.. dont whine show some proud BV blow his armies up tonight ima fight till I get a new capital But the war won't stop no oh oh oh whoa oo whoa oh Oh oo whoa oo whoa oh Aint got a care in the world but got plenty of bows aint got enough pop for a city but im a already sieging! and now the snuggler are lining up cause they hear we attackin but we kick em to the curb lest they look like Pelagia.. I'm talkin everybody havin fun(fun) GC trying to break my siege(siege) I break out a few puns(puns) at night we going be kicked out the GP's shut us down (down) Gg 's shut us (DOWN) dont whine show some proud BV blow his armies up tonight ima fight till I get a new capital But the war won't stop no oh oh oh whoa oo whoa oh Oh oo whoa oo whoa oh dont whine show some proud BV blow his armies up tonight ima fight till I get a new capital But the war won't stop no oh oh oh whoa oo whoa oh Oh oo whoa oo whoa oh I built my armies up you break them down.. my heat pounds yeahhh yeah yous got me.. call back my armies yeah you got me now I built my armies up.... You break them down.. my heart is pounding yeah Pulling back with my hands up with your armies up with everyone armies up! but the wars dont start till i walk in.. dont whine show some proud BV blow his armies up tonight ima fight till I get a new capital But the war won't stop no oh oh oh whoa oo whoa oh Oh oo whoa oo whoa oh dont whine show some proud BV blow his armies up tonight ima fight till I get a new capital But the war won't stop no oh oh oh whoa oo whoa oh Oh oo whoa oo whoa oh |
Posted By: Bartozzi
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 19:05
I agree. Are you such a good propagandist, Bonfyr, that you believe your own twisting of logic? Like a lot of elements of this thread, I could take apart the web of your arguments with a feather duster, and still I don't think it would do any good. However, to my knowledge, HugCr has done nothing towards TLR besides embody the trait of "giving a warm welcome to newbs", so EF claiming that the Snugglers (or is he talking more generally about "GP's", a nice 'them vs. us' term) are or have been "lining up" during this embogglement is patently inaccurate. I understand you guys don't like the practice of warmly greeting new players and giving them gifts (of both res and answers) to help their first day or two go a little smoother; I, for one, knew, Illy was a different kind of game the minute I joined and was welcomed into the community, and was then able to explore the game at my own pace, with a wonderful wealth of knowledge at my fingertips in GC. As for your hugophobia, I think they have a cream for that ;) Edit: change formatting a bit; using iPad is a little clumsy at times |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:30
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Well I won't speak for bonfyr, that's his fight and he can handle it on his own. However, when did we start getting on the assumption that TLR dislikes Hugcr? Two of my former members reside there and although I'm not quite sure what a small sniggle is, since they are still there I trust they are happy. That song, I'm assuming you are referencing the song was spoofing everything. If you can't have a giggle then I pity you. My members and I answer new player questions when we see them and if we know the answers to the question, just because we don't ship out resources to every player that begs for them does not make us bad players, nor alliance leaders.
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Posted By: Bartozzi
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:46
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Right on, I respect that. I'm not sure what a Crazy sniggle is, either, but neither am I sure what a Great Prophet is. And for the record, I thought your song parody was pretty well done :) I was just commenting on the use of the word snugglers in it. I wish you all the best, in all fairness (such as can be found in the world..), and let us all enjoy the game! |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:51
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Please take the arguments apart and use whatever instrument you like. An actual debate as opposed to the usual barbs, jabs and ad hominem attacks would be welcome. I posted a description of the player I think TLR is a good fit for. I defined a difference observed in the GC community. The tone of the replies look to me to be overly defensive. Perhaps the words written were far too open to interpretation, that is my fault but there seems to be a distinct "gotcha" thing going on here. I admit the word "hug" has a meaning in Illyriad that it does not anywhere else. I acknowledged that and I appologized for my missing the boat. I was directing my post to, among others the players who find themselves disliking the GC activity due to the snuggling. It is not a surprise to anyone that we exist but I know now that I am on the wrong side. I understand that if I am to be where I am most comfortable I am to be ostracized by the rest of the community, no matter how much effort I put into walking on eggshells. I was under the impression that there were actual intellects roaming around the halls of the forum but I now see that they are robots too. Lessons learned: I cannot have friendly, sometimes heated debates with fellow Illyrians and I cannot expect those Illyrians to treat me with respect once they realize I will not be swayed. I cannot point out potential issues I see without having these same Illyrians assume the worst. Rules for players: 1. Like it when you are hugged and hug them back. 2. Have a lot of patience for those who are clearly less than yourself... 3. ...until they say something you can interpret to be a direct attack on you personally. 4. Suggest that armies are for grown-ups, but don't say grown-ups. 5. Illiriad is a social network and wargaming will not be tolerated by the pacifists. ------------- |
Posted By: Bartozzi
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 01:13
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IMO, the word "hug" or "snuggle" is mostly used as a representation of the handshake or hug most people do when greeting friends in RL. So I see no harm in it in a group of friendly people online. I am aware a lot of people don't like it, and I personally do my best to give them the "space" they desire. From recent conversations on GC, it's obvious to me the community has the capacity for all sorts of tones, themes, topics, etc.; and again, the hugs & snuggles are more like handshakes. Sure, it devolves into complete and utter silliness sometimes. So what? I thought we were lightening up a bit? As for your list of rules, I'll let them stand for themselves, understanding the point you're getting after. I think we've probably muddied up your recruitment thread a bit too much, and I apologize for any part I had in it. If you'd like to debate the perceived "difference" in another thread, I'm sure there are plenty of players who might like to put in their two cents. Or maybe no one cares
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 05:10
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Thanks for the civil reply, Bartozzi. I may do that sometime, but my intention was not to debate, it was to give some insight to who may be a better fit in TLR. I did find out that some folks are not interested in debate, regardless of how they present themselves to the community. I suppose I can take that as a lesson learned. ------------- |
Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 12:18
| By and large I agree with the distinctions that abstract dream has made in his post ^^ Like it or not you have to respect what they have done so far! |
Posted By: Vanerin
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 16:02
I don't think anyone has oppositions to you being comfortable*. But I do think that some people are less than happy when it feels you are putting their way of living down. I recognize that some people don't like snuggles. That is totally fine. If I know you don't like snuggles, I won't snuggle you. I think most people feel that way. If you want to live by a code of self sufficiency, higher ground, and/or whatever, that is great! But please don't put down others for living how they want to. I am sorry that your recruitment thread got a bit sidetracked. *I guess I should probably put a qualifier in here. I think this only applies if your "comfortable" doesn't involve hurting others. If you are most comfortable being a murder or thief, I think people would have a problem with that.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 14:08
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When did I put anyone down? Have you read the post that resulted in the reply in question? The only thing that could have possibly been seen as an issue, I apologized for and that, in my opinion was a stretch on my opposition's part. If you HAVE read the post and the posts thereafter, you have seen the clear opposition to alternate views, regardless of the protestations to the contrary. ------------- |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 18:40
| Right, because "lame" is not a put-down. It's an expression of admiration. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:52
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/me would like to point out lest anyone misunderstands that she does in fact admire many people who have disabilities. /me just questions whether "lame" was intended to express such admiration in this context.
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 21:29
So I got a bit uppity and I apologize, again. If the two sentences in question were removed? ------------- |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 01:44
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I guess I wonder why you feel the need to "call out" people for snuggling. Maybe you don't like it; OK, people won't snuggle you. But it seems you are offended by seeing other people greet people in a friendly manner. Trying to dictate how other people greet each other, as long as it conforms to the code of conduct, seems to be taking an extreme position -- and then you claim that others oppress you and don't let you express opposition? Seems like the opposite is true -- you are the one complaining about how others express themselves. Which is fine -- kvetch away. Just don't pretend you're doing something other than what you are doing. I disagree with your view of snuggling, but other than thinking it's poor form to single out another alliance in your recruitment post, I have no quibble over you expressing your non-snuggly perspective. I think the key difference that I see is that you express disapprobation not about the behavior snuggling but disrespect for the group of people ("the snugly crowd"). You are certainly free to do so, but it might be better to do so someplace other than your recruitment thread. I personally think that personalizing attacks in this way is counterproductive, but I wouldn't want to limit your freedom to express your views. At the same time, when I disagree, I will say so. Or possibly I won't if I decide that people have said what they have to say and that there is no point in continuing the discussion further.
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Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 02:27
| I think, just my outburst here, that this *helps* the recruitment thread. one, advertisement: all these people been posting here so it's a fairly regular item and two, it shows how some of the people think in the alliance. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 03:57
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Posted By: Myrin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 00:38
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I found this thread a little late, however, I think Rill's post on page one was way out of line. I didn't see anything said that they were condemning how other people play the game. The members of TLR merely stated how they work in their alliance. I find your statement to be confrontational and inappropriate particularly since this was a place for them to recruit like minded players. Rill, your statement that you disagree with their philosophy proves that there are two different ways of looking at it. They mentioned no other alliance and didn't say that those who thought differently were wrong. You came into their recruitment post and turned it into something controversial. Personally, I think your post on page one should be removed.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 01:24
I disagree. However, I see little point in re-hashing all the arguments. So I will not.
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Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 10:05
You're of course entitled to your opinion. A little context and a different perspective: The recruitment thread was started Jan 19th. The secondary post, that Rill responded too, was posted Apr 15th, nearly 3 months later. To imply that Rill tried to hijack the recruitment thread ignores the sequence of events, IMO. Additionally, if you had been lurking around Global Chat at that time, you'd know that there was a considerable amount of criticism directed at certain players for the practice of welcome vans. I myself was accused of using it as a recruitment ploy. As I told Eternal Fire at the time, I send plenty of vans to players for whom I think my alliance is probably a bad fit. And tbh, I'm not generally an aggressive recruiter; no one in my alliance is. Primarily, though, here's the rub: according to the Apr 15th post, there are two basic attitudes; 1) welcome players warmly with hugs and gifts, 2) Encourage players to be self-sufficient. The two are not mutually exclusive!!!I believe Rill is justified in objecting to the idea that (for example) when I send 1500 of the 4 basic res to a new player, verbally welcome them to the game, and answer any questions they might have, that means I'm making a player who will be dependent. It's hogwash. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 19:30
1500 is way too much Garthen. I understand Ryelle only sends 750. |
Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 21:02
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I send 40000, but only of one resource. To each their own, I guess. ------------- "Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM) |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 21:36
| Well this has been de-railed sufficiently |
Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:03
I suppose so; only after it had been resurrected, though :) If you had been wanting a current, non-corrupted recruitment thread, I assume you would've started a new one long before this recent group of posts that Myrin sparked. |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:15
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Well to be honest I was thinking about a new one after page two but decided to wait a little bit for more history to accumulate that way it could actually be updated.. Also Ryelle or Rill sparked it intially.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:24
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ok, let me just save everyone a bit of time ... Rill: Did not! Ryelle: (does not have a forum account) EF: Did so! Rill: Did not! Ryelle (still no forum account) and etc.
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Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:27
| You are both the same person, if someone says Ryelle said this it's understood that the person operating the account ryelle (and rill) said that, or did that, etc. |
Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 22:42
C'mon, man. Seriously? You can't let it go without taking a dig at her, can you? The post she replied to essentially stated that her "type of player/playing style" is *against* "self-sufficiency and freedom of choice." I'm pretty sure anyone who reads Abstract Dream's post would come to the same conclusion; that's the "philosophical divide" he clearly puts forward. (though admittedly fairly well-stated, as is Abstract Dream's tendency) I understand her taking umbrage at that, especially considering your history of anti-Hugs sentiment. Anyone with a fleeting familiarity could read between the lines.. People without that familiarity, of course, might not quite understand the context. As for the philosphical divide: if I invent a dichotomy; and I base a major post in a recruitment thread on it (especially when it's not even the lead post) you are welcome to respond and point out where you think my ideas fall short (and I'm pretty sure you would, my friend!).. Otherwise, why would I be posting on the Forums? |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 23:03
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Taking a dig at her? By pointing at who jumped at TLR's philosophy is taking a dig at her? I'd be taking a dig at her if i said "you suck" etc etc, I merely pointed out that this turned from a recruitment thread into a de-railed debating thread at a post that started with rill.
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Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 00:58
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Sure, I admit it was unneeded to make the "dig" statement. My apologies. However, the whole point of my post was that no one ever jumped at "your philosophy." Rather, it's the "philosophical divide" concept that suggests that the "non-TLR" philosophy creates dependent, non-free players . It's my impression that Rill, among many others, are at the top of your list of people who embody what you perceive to be the non-TLR approach. Ergo, Rill's approach creates dependent, non-free players. If I made a post criticizing your approach, you'd be within your rights to clarify and stand up for yourself as well as your approach. And I wouldn't accuse you of derailing the thread. |
Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 01:42
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While true, This was a recruitment thread which has been turned into a debating thread about a few words and phrases that were used in our recruitment speech, I believe some may say "I find the point you raise interesting, please start a new topic so that we may continue this discussion and leave this thread on it's original topic pathway". That wasn't said of course but I feel now that to limit the need to start a new TLR thread it should have been said.
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Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:04
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Garth, since a majority of the players do not watch chat 24/7 if you bring a conversation from AC into the forums and stick it in a post without explaining the history then people will not understand the circumstances and that would be the posters fault, not the readers. The conversations you mention may or may not have happened in AC when you say they happened, I don't know. All I know for sure is what was written here looks like she just came in to stir things up. |
Posted By: Myr
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:12
| I would also like to point out that my frequent vans to newbs also puts me at odds with EF's philosophy. I do not feel that this recruitment post was a stab at how I like to do things, instead I read it as TLR making sure their recruits don't expect what many other alliances are offering. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:21
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I responded to a post around an hour after it was made because I felt it unfairly targeted Ryelle's alliance (the references to hugs, etc.) Myr responded after the last post had been made more than a month and a half previously. Who is really trying to stir things up?
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Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 02:38
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Points well taken, Myr. I suppose those of us who have at times taken the brunt of the needling and condemnation are quicker to roll our eyes and say "Here we go again..." And many of my comments are probably understood better by the people for whom they're intended than the casual observer. Certainly, providing all the backstory here would bore the pants off of most people, on top of the obvious thread-derailment. If any player in the game cares enough about the "philosophical divide" to discuss it, I will gladly join in a respectful debate. Otherwise, I will do my best to ignore any insinuation that those of us who are warm and send welcome gifts are against self-sufficiency and freedom of choice. |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 03:53
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In all honesty, the sentences in question were an attempt to make not sending resources to newbs look better than it sounds. Really, on the surface of it, what newb would want to join an alliance "known" for not sending res to its members? The post was slanted against the practice of indiscriminate care-a-vaning and took an overt swipe at the hug set in general. Not that it matters now, but there was no intended venom in the statement. My intention was to have a harmless dig at the "loyal opposition." I've come to understand that thin skin prevails in Illy and everything will eventually be torn apart and examined under the microscope of PCness. With hindsight it's no surprise what ended up happening, however I personally am not upset at the outcome. The previous posts may have technically derailed this recruitment thread but imnsho it has become one of the most entertaining threads in the Forums. ------------- |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 04:53
Taking overt swipes at people in the TLR recruitment thread resulted in people at whom swipes were taken expressing their objections. I appreciate you acknowledging that such was indeed your intention, and I'm glad you're not upset about the result. Very fair-minded of you, and I applaud it.
Perhaps the OP could request that this thread be moved to a different forum and restart a different alliance recruitment thread, if that is in fact what the OP would prefer. |
Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 04:53
| "Loyal opposition." You're not kidding, are you? Just for curiousity's sake, just who/what do you mean by that? |
Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 05:11
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 05:25
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Loyal opposition usually refers to the political party (or parties) that is out of power, particularly when a country is at war; said party usually attempts to emphasize unity in fighting the "enemy." The term is more frequently used in Great Britain (and the Commonwealth), where protections such as freedom of expression are not necessarily constitutionally guaranteed as they are in the U.S. and thus opposition to the government could be construed as treason. I'm not sure how it applies in this context. Perhaps you were saying that we share more similarities than differences?
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 05:33
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"Loyal" since both sides have a vested interest in the success of the game and "opposition" refers to not my side. I used it cuz it sounded good, or so I thought at the time. ------------- |
Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 06:08
In light of the recent clarifications from Abstract Dream, it seems your points are generally off target. If you'd like me to go through and delineate point by point, I will, though I would send it as a PM and not muddy this thread any further. Your concern for TLR is commendable (especially as you resurrected the thread after so much time), but in this case it seems you may have misinterpreted what transpired. Rill (and her alliance(s)) indeed were the target of the particular references in the April 15th post, and the intended tone of that passage indeed was "an overt swipe". I do commend Abstract Dream for that clarification. For what it's worth, though the term "Loyal Opposition" was applied to HugCr, we have nothing against TLR's members, and do not consider ourselves opposed to them. edited for minor cosmetic changes
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Posted By: abstractdream
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 21:56
The post was slanted against a practice. The hug set in general were also targeted. Rill is the most well known of the hug set, so her responce is understandable (though I wasn't very quick on the uptake there,) but many players hug and send gifts. I did not use her name because I did not specifically mean her. ------------- |
Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 22:13
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Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 23:12
Excuse me? If anything is going to harm a foolish player settling near the Rift, it will be someone who doesn't know how hostile the Reavers are. TLR is peaceful but we are not pushovers, just because we will not tolerate someone walking over us does not mean we are dangerous neighbors.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 00:34
I'm pretty sure he was referring to Ryelle. She IS the Evillest Player in Illy, ya know.
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Posted By: dunnoob
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 00:53
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 01:07
If you didn't want people walking all over you, you should not have called yourself a road.
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Posted By: Subatoi
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 01:30
| I have an idea, stop de-railing *My* thread, this was not a call out to various Skullpickers so I'm unsure as to why you have made this your roost though I'd be quite happy if you'd fly away and go find a murder to caw to. |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 02:10
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rill feels its her duty to respond to anyone who says anything about illy she even answers for the devs when you ask them a question she seems to have an overinflated view of herself, unfortunately you cant block her on the forums :(
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Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 03:08
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I don't think she feels it's her duty, she just does it because it's fun. And what's the problem with that, if she's right? Well she is a leader of part of the biggest alliance in the game (by size.) ------------- "Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM) |
Posted By: GM Luna
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 03:11
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This has sufficiently derailed into insults and off topic conversation. Closing this thread now. Next time let's use the Alliance recruitment forums primarily for alliance recruitment, please. Thanks. Luna ------------- GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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