Orc Troops Name changes
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Topic: Orc Troops Name changes
Posted By: Rorgash
Subject: Orc Troops Name changes
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 15:02
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There as been other topics, one just below this one that wants it on horses. I would also say horses should change, a diffrent name is no problem, we already have diffrent unit names and with a simple "mount" text in the desc its enough and the feeling of the game would be better when playing it. Now the Main point of this topic, what i propose is the change of Orc Soldier names Kobolts Cohort - Kobolts arent even the same race, so beyond name issue, Change proposed: Goblin Cannonfodder (or likewise goblin) Clan Guardsmen - what is orc about that? Goblin Spearmen is alot better Fang - Orc Grunt Fist - Orc Warrior? Clan Guards - Goblin Git (or other goblin) Death Dealers - ok enough unless you have a better idea Wolfriders and Deathpack, good enough Warg might be something to have in mind, but they are good. |
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Posted By: Bonaparta
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 15:23
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Posted By: Thexion
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 16:35
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Goblings are not same race either as orcs.. atleast not in illyriad. So I would use more orc name than goblin. Kobolds are separate race too.. Since there are goblin faction (and Kobold faction) using those names is not so good idea. Since I would presume they will get some units too in some point.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 16:58
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you seen our diplo units? they are all goblins already... so i dont see how that information is correct
Goblin Spie
Goblin Cutpurses
Goblin Saboteurs
and since they already use Kobolts as soldiers your argument is void :P Greenskins For the Horde! JOIN The Black Skull Horde, Orc Rulers of Mal Motsha!
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Posted By: Thexion
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 17:03
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So it said here.. but well there is already a kobold cohort too.. as unit. Goblin faction http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Faction/67" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Faction/67
Kobold faction http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Faction/30" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Faction/30
They say there is goblin slaves though so maybe those diplomats are those.. or maybe the names need some redoing anyhow.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 17:08
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updated a you posted :P but yea it doesnt hold, but Goblins beign Greenskins in other lores and that being what most orcs feel like that would be better i think |
Posted By: Abuniz
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 17:31
| yep, +1 |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 17:53
| Or just call them all "pig men"... ;) |
Posted By: Megasaxon
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 20:31
 Great Idea
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Posted By: Nilock
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 21:05
-1 i LIKE being called an Orc. |
Kumomoto wrote:Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 22:40
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Clan Guardsmen and Clanguards have caused me more than one headache. I lost count of how many times I built a stack of one instead of the other.
-Quote by Grimgnash
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Posted By: Raatalagk
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 23:23
| I'm happy with orc units including kobolds and goblins -- perhaps they work together, or the orcs enslave them. They might also include hobgolins, ogres, trolls, etc. I do think, though, that "clanguard" and "clan guardsmen" are too close, and I wouldn't mind seeing more "orcish" titles than "Fist" and "Fang", although what counts as "more orcish" is a bit slippery in Illy. :) |
Posted By: Wolfgangvondi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 23:32
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Me agrees whit Calico_Jack. Kobolts are not only weakling and skinning like elfs ( but still, better looking than elf's) but are also not Orc's. If a Orc village would have kobolts on it , it would be so just in case there's low stock on elf's to eat. that saying, goblins are not much better, but since they would be used was cannon fodder, i wouldn't mind so much to see goblins piking up the spears and getting smashed by the other races cavalry, giving room to us, true (orc) warriors do our thing.(slash and crush the enemy). anyway.. - Goblins has T1 spears would be better. - T2 spears. Clan guardsmen... mybe not the best name... - Fang would be Orc Grunt ( like Calico_jack says) - Fist, i actually like the name fists.. so Fist or Orc Warrior its ok by me : P - Clanguards ... Clan Hunters? - Death Dealers its ok to by me. - Wolfriders are cool. ( but shoul be riding giant Wolfs?.. but that would get complicate to see in the market an trade of a "riding" wolf to another race.. - DeathPack OR Warg Riders, both are cool. Wolfgangvondi ( Just another Orc) |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 00:05
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Perhaps it is the race name that needs to be changed. You could consider Humans, Elves, and Dwarves to be families of races, encapsulating more specific related races like Asians or Mongolians, Bosmers or Dark Elves, and Leprechauns or Hobbits. In that case, the playable race name Orc should be changed into something that encapsulates Orcs, Goblins, and Kobolds. It could even be a whole new word, though that might be hard to sell so early in the game as choosing your race while signing up an account. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 01:00
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Personally I like the Orc names. And my understanding was also Goblins are a different species than Orcs in general fantasy lore. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 04:39
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That's generally true...just lookin' for alternatives that involve less disruption of existing terminology. :P
------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 05:09
| I think in Illy lore the kobolds, goblins and orcs are collectively referred to as greenskins. |
Posted By: Nilock
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 06:44
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the only thing i think needs change is Kobold Cohort, whatever a "kobold" is. |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 08:52
| Can you make bacon from Orcs? |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 10:03
You stop spamming or you will feel my axe The rest, General Orc lore puts Ogres, Orcs, Goblins, Snotlings as the Race Greenskins Me Orc, dumb Humies and stunties only good for bashing and crushing...
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Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 11:56
LOL Kumo
 Kobolds - are not generally part of the greenskin species in other fantasy games and codes. I think they usally are equated with rats.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 13:41
| they are draconic |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 13:42
| My Kobolds don't want to be changed... they are happy serving me as they are. |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 13:48
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i feel the most important changes would be Clan Guardsmen and Clanguard Also Fist and Fang being extremely lazy names
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 16:52
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I do find the Orc unit names to be the least descriptive/informative terms. As Calico_Jack points out, what are names like Fist or Fang even supposed to be in terms of unit type? Given the two, how would you guess which represents a T2 unit? Who would guess that a Clanguard is ranged and not spear or even infantry? There's no mistaking a Trueshot as a ranged unit, or a Swiftsteed as mounted--even clearly T1 in that case--or Man-at-Arms, or Knight, or Runerider, or Phalanx... In many cases it's even easy to guess what tier the unit is in. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 17:23
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and they sound like a type of unit a soldier of sorts, ours are a guard or fist and fang? :/ which is why it kinda bothers me because i like the orc world...
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Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2012 at 01:29
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I admit clangaurd/clangaurdsmen confused me too as a new player for ages, altho I guess i'm just used to it now. edit: although the unit images make it pretty obvious now |
Posted By: Jolin
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2012 at 20:41
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ME BASH YOU CRASH Also +1 to Calico |
Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2012 at 01:08
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I think fangs should be called "Ocish Longteeth," and fists "bonecrushers." ------------- "Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM) |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2012 at 02:25
| According to GM Stormcrow, "Bonemongers" are skeleton siege units. Or he might have been joking. But if he wasn't, this could cause some confusion. |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2012 at 04:42
I thought that's what one calls the Paris Hiltons of the World... ;) |
Posted By: Lashka
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2012 at 06:13
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Kumo, I would respond with a pithy correction, but I'm pretty sure it would violate standards here on the forum.... Let's just say you do a disservice to actual bone-mongers when you compare them to Ms. Hilton; they have, presumably, some actual socially-redeeming value.
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Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 11:14
| seems people have come to a agreement, a name change is needed and ideas has been presented |
Posted By: Prometheuz
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 12:19
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Calico_jack has called this right. The Orc unit names should be improved. I agree with most that clanguard and clanguardsman should be improved as well as fang. As for Kobolds they are not considered as being linked to the Orc species. Goblins are included in the diplomatic units so they can also bused as military units names. +1 to Calico_Jack for raising this and for keeping the thread alive. |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 21:28
| on the kobolt and goblin issue, i read some of the Illy lore and goblins revolted against the orcs and now are their own faction, so i have come to accept Kobolts but the names of some of the units the Guards and Fist/fang needs to be changed |
Posted By: Rorgash
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 14:04
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i woudnt mind a word from the makers of the game on this, if they are just ignoring it or have plans for it or just dont care about it.
Because im not doing this and keeping it updated because i like doing it, the point it bringing it to the makers eyes...
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