Newbs and Vets and ?
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Topic: Newbs and Vets and ?
Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Subject: Newbs and Vets and ?
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:02
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From the time you enter illy, it is hammered into your head that vets are massively huge players that have been around forever. If you call yourself a vet with 5k population in gc, the tone of replies you will receive is that you are insulting "actual vets"... However, recently we've began to see the potential danger of assigning "newb" status to anyone who isn't a vet. People troll for res and protection without knowing that at 3k population they are not a newb, but it's hard to spell that out because if you aren't a "newb" and you aren't a "vet"... What are you in the illy world? So we are proposing a new term be added to the illy vernacular. I've been discussing this with Rill and we've come up with the term "mid" to fill this void. If someone can think of something catchier and/or more appropriate, open to changing said word... just whatever it is has to be able to catch on! -Jane DM and Rill
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Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:04
| Grunt sounds cooler imho |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:07
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a vet has about a year experience and about 75k total pop
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:09
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Long live the social networking class distinctions! HUZZAH! I propose we call vets "Lords" or "Masters" and everyone else "The Plebs" or "Vassals" You may all call me "King" StJude!!!
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Posted By: Jane DarkMagic
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:20
| StJude, King of Trolls |
Posted By: Sheogorath
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:38
One exception would be The Dude, while he may not have 75K pop he has a year or mores worth experience. I'm sure he more than qualifies as a Vet. ------------- =Colonialism At Its Finest= |
Kilotov of DokGthung wrote:Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:43
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the dude autosieged himself to the ground. TD is a vet whit more than a year gaming time, a true veteran of the MK war and was forced to rebuild more than 1 town that had suffered siege. ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:54
I think "Yertle" would be a more appropo title for you StJude. :)
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:57
Fantastic story in light of this thread! I love it
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Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 22:59
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There definitely should be no pop limit on what defines a players experience level. To me, vets are the people who have been actively playing longer than I have, and I don't mean just 1 or 2 days or weeks, but months before I started. (I started in late May/early June) To me, newbs are players who have never hit 1000 pop. But I don't want to use a pop barrier, a newb is someone who hasn't gotten to their 3rd town, they are still learning several of the basics, or have just learned them and are mastering them. They are developing themselves and figuring out what they want to do, what alliance (if any) they wish to join, etc. In other words "you still have much to learn, young padawan" I don't feel there is only 1 experience level between newb and vet. There are several players who have been playing for 5-8 months who are definitely no longer newbs, but have much less knowledge and experience than others who have been playing for the same amount of time. Some of these players have never been attacked, used the market or been in an alliance. So I would say (for argument sake) we have: Vets Experienced Players (or whatever name you wish to give) Less-Experienced Players (or whatever you wanna call em) Newbs What is the difference between a "Vet" and an "Experienced Player"? Well, the Experienced Player has enough knowledge to help other players, but still hasn't master all strategies of the game. Perhaps they haven't tried everything out yet (haven't sieged or attacked other towns, etc) or they still have a few things to learn. NOW, ARGUE WITH ME!!! |
Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 23:16
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As I stated in Global, I do not consider myself a vet or a newb or any other sort of label. That is up to others to slap onto me as they wish - either way having an artificial label will not change who I am or how I play the game. Nor will it change how I approach/treat others in the game. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 00:43
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Well we use the labels to generalise I suppose, and the precision requirement can sometimes be a little loose because people apply to these labels diverging value, ex. a vet = a very war-experienced player or vet= An experienced player with a long history in Illyriad or vet= A player with a certain population. funny thing about labels are, I have only ever used the expressions newb and vet, but never anything in between (which sparked this thread I believe), and the two labels are really just adjectives describing my perspective on someone, hinting "small" diminutive and "big" Magnified, nothing more. With that in mind it is hard to see how I would use the "mid" label for anything practically, other than say: "Hey its that Tallica dude, he's a real mid player". Seems deprived of meaning to me somehow. my 2 cents. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 01:41
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Why does it even matter?
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:00
It shouldn't, but it sure does remind me of High School though and the propensity to put labels on people.
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:05
I'm the loner of the group then if we're doing it like High School. But seriously, it doesn't matter, I'm a Veteran, been here since June and carry the memories of what Illy used to be, yet im in the shell of a newb. What do we call that, a hybrid? ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Baughb
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:20
| I think we should call the tweeners, Amroths next target |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:24
Wait, so it does matter? I am confused now.
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:25
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No it doesn,t I was just thinking what I would technically be. Jude, lets make up our own. We're the revolutionaries.. and everyone else is crazy :D ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:27
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I'm not vet nor newb nor experienced player nor any other lable. I'm ME!!! +1 to Anjire. ------------- "Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM) "SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM) |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:28
Can we be the crazies? Sounds more fun. I am thinking Heath Ledger crazy here from The Dark Knight Rises....
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Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 02:54
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I think it was a late night conversation with Mara Zira a month or so back where we came up with the following rankings for players: Vets Xbies Newbs Noobs Trolls I think we defined them all too and gave exceptions to the rules, but its now late night here again so I'll be screwed if I can remember without a big steaming pot of coffee atm. In fact I'm sure we did as I remember a conversation in GC a day or two later where we were all looking up player account ID numbers. ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 03:17
LOL, i almost put in Noobs and Trolls in my list (under Newbs) but decided that they didn't deserve a spot, that and I didn't really want to give them any satisfaction of ranking. |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 03:31
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Well, according to Kumo I'm a vet...So I guess that's what I am.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 03:52
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When Jane and I were talking, I was mostly thinking about that level of player where global chat is not gonna jump up and down if someone attacks them because they're too big, and who doesn't feel comfortable self-identifying as a vet. I agree that people can call themselves whatever they like ... I'm just not sure what I am. I'm not a newb and I'm not a vet. However, calling myself "not a newb and not a vet" seems sort of wordy. NANANAV? I'm a nananav? Now you see why we thought of "mid" Am interested in more input from fellow nananavs
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Posted By: Sajreth
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 04:12
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great....so it seems I have the choice of tallica's "experienced player status" or doing the high school title thingy......but in High School I was part of the "A" crowd.....don't think I could live with the pressures that entails again....lol I think I'll go with tallica's version! Although I do have to add that at times this game is rather reminiscent of High School! |
Posted By: Southern Dwarf
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 14:53
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I am a Troll by choise (I just choose this moment) because if I am going to be labelled I will label myself first. And when I think of dwarvish trolls I get a picture of a big fat troll with a long white beard standing in the smithy making doubleaxes. That picture is well enough for me. Originally Troll means "spell" or "magic" in the scandinavian languages. So I don't care about silly internet slang. |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 14:57
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lol yer a true warrior of the sea hu? ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 15:35
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Me Vets My other account People I like newbs n00bs People i dislike  ------------- http://live.xbox.com/en-US/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=G0DsDestroyer" rel="nofollow - Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 16:27
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I would agree that many with a year's worth of active gaming experience should be deemed a vet, but not likely all by a long shot. I do not believe either that this is the "top" rank in terms of experience. The longer the game goes, the more worthwhile it will be to add unique distinction for players who've been around during the first 6 months or so of the game's existence. I'll call them "forefathers." It is failure to adequately define these and veterans that leaves such vagueness as to what other categories exist, so here's my perspective. Currently, forefathers look quite similar to vets. It is we, after all, to whom the title veteran was originally given. But forefathers have a couple noteworthy distinctions from vets:
Even today I would not consider 75k enough population to designate a veteran. That's just an experienced player. The longer the server runs, the more vets there will be. By this future date where forefathers become something note-worthily distinct, vets would then mostly be players with at least 9 cities, mostly 10 (as they'll be much easier to acquire). They'll be the people for whom building up their cities no longer offers much room for growth or advancement, and who need something more. They'll be the people who, realizing there's little value in just maintaining what they have, become more willing to risk having to rebuild. Eventually, there will be no question whether vets or newbies are more numerous, and the focus will shift from newbie affairs to conflicts which do not need champions for the "oppressed" side. By then, some wars may even be fought without giant sobbing matches before the first shot is fired. That's what really marks a veteran...a proven willingness to take real risk and fight in real battles. Veterans have stood for something (even if it merely be their own survival) and have either conquered or died for it. Their risk was real because they had at least a year's active account development riding on the outcome of their conflicts. They measure loss in cities, not troops or resources. They enter wars thinking mere months of rebuilding would be a lucky outcome. They spat in the eyes of their enemies once, and stand ready to do it again any time. If that is a veteran, and a forefather is an older version of the same, then it becomes clear that the majority of the server falls under the categories of newbie, developed, and experienced. Other names may be chosen, but the definition should be fairly clear. Low-population thresholds are the border between newbie and developed, high population+age thresholds are the border between developed and experienced. Below newbie you might even add "beginner." That would truly be a small category, with too few members to really warrant distinction from newbie, except these are the players truly deserving of active support through global chat. Even newbies should be learning to fend for themselves and availing themselves of the endless training/educational materials and/or alliances at their disposal. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 16:29
| mid... doesn't sound too catchy. |
Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 16:30
Nice, but you forgot one: Me God Vets My other account People I like newbs n00bs People i dislike |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 18:28
willingness to risk everything, standing up and fighting for his survival, losses in cities, spitting in the eyes of his enemies, standing ready to do it again.. looks like a description of StJude to me :O |
Posted By: <Squill>
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 18:39
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Mmm I'd classify a vet as someone who believes themselves a vet; and a newbie as someone who admits they are still a newbie. A troll is a newbie who doesn't know that he/she is a newbie. An in-between between a vet and a newbie is a player :D ------------- ... |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 19:09
Posted By: <Squill>
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 19:28
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Wow --- Trippy song... mmm reminds me of better days :D ------------- ... |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 20:10
I seem to remember a Valar player adopting that approach... I can't quite remember, but I don't seem to remember it being too good for his health? ;) Kumo (an Experienced Mid-Newbfather) |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 20:15
My words were chosen carefully :)
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Posted By: HATHALDIR
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 09:10
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journeymen
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Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 12:55
I prefer the term "foreplayer"... |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 14:29
It's not a game of monopoly. Goodbye |