RES Declares War on ICON
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Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
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Topic: RES Declares War on ICON
Posted By: The_Dude
Subject: RES Declares War on ICON
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 07:26
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Fellow Illyrians, RES supports its Confed partner Champ which has previously declared war on ICON. RES has its own casus beli, as well. Respectfully, The_Dude
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Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 09:28
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Did Icon just get into a war? I haven't noticed. (Yes, that was sarcasm)
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Posted By: <Squill>
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 10:18
| War is such terrible business! Live and let live........ |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 10:28
The_Dude would not have the backbone to have declared unless some other alliance was already there before him. This chapter in The [ICON] Annales should be entitled: |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 10:37
| Will that be enough, or wider coalition should be formed? |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 10:51
| Oh, I think StJude would be disappointed if he didn't get more attention than this. I mean, I know he'll enjoy visits from TD's siege engines, but he has so many admirers. You know how much he enjoys PvP! |
Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 11:23
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Turin Turambar's knights brought this crusade to peaceful plains around Trottingham. I received countles complains from my villagers about chickens beeing squashed under their horses, and frightened cows giving less milk. I must ask, is it really necessary to send such bulk force against small village with 233 pop? |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 11:41
| Grego, I endeavored to send a few cows and "chickens" to Trottingham, but apparently the town does not exist. |
Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 12:38
| you need any help with that? I know ICON is a big strong alliance. They have so many strong members and a lot of towns. I don't think two alliances would suffice. Maybe with help from mCrow and WoT you stand a change. Or try to get 6 alliances together, maybe that would work. Good luck on this heroic effort. I hope the evil forces will be driven from illyriad for good so we can all hug eachother and stop playing this silly game. |
Posted By: Binky the Berserker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 12:41
Good tactic by the way. First send sieges and declare war after they land. 
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 13:29
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Rill, I am quite sure that King Sigurd's trade hub Trottingham still exist. You can send your cows and "chickens" to 113 | - 72 |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 15:00
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And so we continue the trend of piling as many alliances as we can onto a lesser one and then call it "supporting our confed" as an excuse to join in on the action.
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Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 15:05
Do you know, it's a really weird thing for me to be able to claim the moral high ground. Not least because in RL, there's not much high ground I can claim  But yeah, Cave are claiming the moral high ground. Go us.
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Brids17 wrote:Posted By: <Squill>
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 15:34
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Terrible business that |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 18:04
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ICON has either coming or already destroyed sieges from H?, mcrow, WoT, Chimps, Res, DARK, ~N~, and i am sur i am forgetting a few others. Amroth is unable to beat us on his own that he must beg for help from all these alliances. How Honorable is that?
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Posted By: Truth
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 18:07
Which is why this game needs a defensive minded town and perhaps a nerfed siege to go with it. Otherwise the only strategy in this game will be to outnumber the opponent so much to avoid few casualties. Most of the wars in this game have been like this. A very noticeable pattern indeed. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 18:26
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its like that in real ife, the only difference is your missing some traps to equalize it out. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Truth
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 18:30
I do agree in real life that their is that type of fair weather fan social group mentality. People in most cases tend to be with a popular group that is winning instead of take a risk and root for the unpopular side. Not all people are like that, but there are indeed a good amount of fake people in this world trying to be liked by the most popular group in life. I see a lot of this happening in this game also. |
Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 19:24
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Ok so here is my one post here. First: TD was already an established and prominent Dude when we came to Illyriad. We are certainly happy to confed with Los Ipsa Loquitor and TD. Second: TD has his own reasons for wanting war. Third: Zorkie...I have never asked another alliance to attack you except Calcr during the Valar hostilities which they did not do....There was no one at your other cities/ no wait , my mistake...I think Scott and Mcrow hit a couple there. Point is this wretch made his bed. (Takes a second and bows to ScottFitz. Good show Sir.) Also Jude who comes into a game an insults every big player he comes across.??? Hmmm not Illy is what we want it to be. What I want it to be. If ya don't like it, send your armies...not your words...so tired of mealy-mouthed little crumbgrubs who cry constantly because they don't have the stones to do more. (Sack UP mates) The main portion of shame to all of you, and you know who you are. I will dare greatly, and If I fail and fall it will be far. Yet I will compete...to him the credit who competes and does not haggle from the sidelines. A spectator who preaches out their poppycock for lack of a pulpit. Egads If the devs have failed in illy at all it is that they included no priest (cleric)class for all these pulpit prognosticators. I will pass your poor box, thanks and distribute the wealth directly to the newbies. Sorry if this miffs ya...well no not really. Finally ....Nokigon, what higher ground is this you speak of Lad? I am on the top of the mountain, Sir... Standing above the clouds... You would be enlightened to know what I can see from here We are all no more then the measure of our deeds. This defines us. I, All Eternal Champions will stand for our convictions. We will promote an agenda of peace with those who love peace, and we will protect new players and continue to foster their development. As to those who would try underhanded tactics, I.E. to many accounts/using sat accounts to cause trouble with the intent that it not be traced back to you/ running your mouth and shooting insults of a personal nature....defaming friends and family...these will certainly get your fat arse sieged, by me at least, so beware and be good, Cause the Eternal Champions never sleep. Eternal Vigilance is ever the price of real Freedom. I got nine cities here and my date in Illy is july 2010. I will happily risk all in this game for the stance taken here. I will have Victory or Defeat, but never the cold tired place of the soulless dead. who never endeavored to reach for Victory or Defeat. Humble Regards, Amroth WoW lol this is not gunna win me any points....good to remember the world does not matter...the heart is all. I am at ease with this knowledge.
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Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 19:48
1: thats not a reason 2: you are so full of yourself, you make me wanna puke... who the hell do you think you are?? jury, judge and executioner? you, dear sir, are not better than those you fight. you are an extremist, an insane templar Knight whit a foolish quest of bloodshed in name of the diametrical opposites of your actions. . you may hold authority in CHAMP but your way is not the way if the whole of Illy. you are a false prophet. now speaking like normal people Amroth, ...seriously? i mean... do you really mean all the stuff above? is this yer face? holy hell, and i thought i had problems.. -------------  my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 19:50
My apologies -- may I ask from which of your villages the complaints emanated? I am sure King Sigurd has cows and "chickens" sufficient for his needs, but I would not want your villagers to suffer. I have looked in the area you mentioned and don't see any towns of the size you described, however perhaps my map-reading skills are insufficient. I also don't see any armies moving in the area.
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 20:36
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You can ask your sister Ryelle to scout 79 | - 80, she should find camp there... |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 20:47
| Awesome! |
Posted By: Venita
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 21:27
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Ok am NEW at posting, AND relatively NEW in the game. I want to say this about my comrads who are under attack....they have been a huge source of supplies/help/support . They are FUN to be around and I wanted to be in an active alliance (not sure I realized HOW active lol this would be ) that said, I am going to continue to support them until the fat lady sings....I can see that almost ...NOT ALL...of Illy seems to hate Jude/Zork/Borg I WOULD like to see more "fair" fights , like boxing or karate is ....(weight, class, belt lol) but get that is not how the REAL world operates....if we are in trouble you call on your friends.....I have no problem with anyone ....not really...and want to thank you ALL for making this game FUN.... ok enough of this  None of my attacks are personal This is just a game This is just a game This is just a game My team is holding up pretty well.......sorry TD and Amroth for taking out your troops...are you gonna try to blight me again  well...Amroth took out ALOT of mine too see ya at the front ! Venita
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Posted By: fluffy
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 21:42
Amroth has not begged for help from ~N~. ~N~ is doing this on our own accord.
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Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 22:23
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Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 22:24
| WOW, Dude is an expert "vet" we should all run for cover now! Hide your cows, lock up your pigs, even chickens arent safe. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 22:40
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Is anyone honestly surprised St Jude is being sieged? Really? The only thing surprising is that there are those who would attempt to morally defend him. Clarification: there are no sieges en-route from 'H?'. I act alone and not on behalf of Harmless regards this venture. I was not requested by any other alliance for participation, nor, until Judy posted regards the diversity of incoming knew of other moves against him. There is no 'coalition' here. But isn't it worth a thought that all these people should independently act so? ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 22:42
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Shock! Horror! The Elite Brownnoser Siege Army under its VET general has suffered a catastrophic defeat at the hands of a newbe alliance. The_Dude attacked StJude, with a one catapult siege army. That is laughable. How long has he been playing this game? |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 23:33
| Lawn, my apologies, I was not aware that you had left H?. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 23:49
Awww a cute and (standard) deliberately twisted answer. Zork: Would you like me to get them involved? (See, I can be cute too )------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 00:05
| Is Starry not also a member of H? ? She is reinforceing a siege, is that not involved already? How am I to determine what is lone wolf activities when so many are doing it. It would be only natural to think H? IS involved when muliple members are being so overtly aggresive. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 00:24
She is doing so of her own prerogative. As am I. My history with Jude is well documented. My actions should come as no surprise. This is not alliance action (of which you are well aware). My issue's are not with ICON. Nor are they sponsored by Harmless(?). They are with StJude taken by me. (But ask yourself: are you honestly surprised about all these 'overtly aggressive' actions?) ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 00:51
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My involvement is of a personal nature with StJude and not alliance sanctioned. I am shocked at all the indignant posts about StJude being sieged given the trouble he has caused, the lies he has told, etc. etc. etc... This is a war game, I like to fight and I fight honorably, I will always oppose game trolls, cheats, liars, so on and so on. :D If you fit in any of those categories you run the risk of being a target. ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 02:24
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misread a comment.lalalala....stop reading this.lalalala... theres nothing here...lalalala
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 02:32
 What are you talking about? We haven't left H? Geez, more drama. I am helping a player siege someone who has been a pain in everyone's side for a very long time. It's not up for debate or discussion with me any further.
------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 02:34
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The exile to the wastes would be more merciful then what you all are doing, i mean seriously, theres a block feature in global, use it. instead you all flap around at his every word. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 03:43
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Just so we are clear, should ICON set a siege on one of yours or Starry's cities, there would be no support from H? ?We would not incur the wrath of H? ? This is a lone wolf(s) crusade unrelated to H? business?
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 04:14
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You're really struggling with this. We'll try again. The issue is between myself and Jude. This is not alliance action. Why exactly would I decide it fair for Jude to involve ICON and I not Harmless (?)? Oh. That's right, I'm wrong because I'm bigger. And to preempt your response. Who ever said I wanted this to be fair? What exact obligation/debt do I owe Jude to equalize the odds? I want to raze Jude. And honestly feel quite fine doing so. As apparently do many others. Lets not forget ICON (Lambs/Lions, whatever) declared war on Harmless (?). And you gripe when the hollowness of your words are exposed when Harmless or its members do more, unlike you and yours, than just spout contrived rhetoric from soap boxes using terms like honour, nobility, courage, strength of conviction, friendship etc and then cry foul in the forums, run, hide and cower. Be thankful Harmless (?) are not taking up your noble declaration of war and we'll let those other than Judy run and hide under the apron of another alliance. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 04:18
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Zork is gonna siege Harmless? !!!! /me applauds hawt player-on-player action!
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Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 04:47
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Hey there now, I never said I was going to siege H?, I was asking to know how much a lone wolf campaigne this really is, and apparently it isnt so....we will not be commiting forces against any H? member. Other than in defence of our alliance. However Rill.....brown chicken brown cow......hawt player on player action......
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 05:26
who loves you, baby?
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Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 19:55
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'Rise and rise again, until Lambs become Lions.' KEep rising Jude. It will take you a while. In the meantime, it will give Amroth something to fo.
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 22:18
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HAI Frends! Yeah, like I said, I will be around a long time. It's not that hard to outwit my opponents :)
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 02:16
Doin well so far. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 16:52
Aw....thanks Yawn! /hug
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Posted By: Myrin
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2011 at 04:03
Correction, Dark and ~N~ acted on their own not because anyone asked us to help them. I had no knowledge of the actions of other alliances before we launched. You knew that already Zork. |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2011 at 12:05
| Sure you didnt Myr, and monkeys might fly out my butt. |
Posted By: nightfury
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2011 at 18:34
wont be a good scene  , will keep my eyes closed |
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2011 at 18:42
Isn't that one of the deleted scenes from the directors cut of The Wizard of Oz?  ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 05:11
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So Jude's packed up and ran. Honestly Im really surprised. I always thought he wasnt full of bulls*** rhetoric and had the courage to follow his convictions. Live n learn eh Lawny. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 09:03
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Pretty much anything I say would seem too much like kicking a guy when he is down. Oh well Jude, you had a good run. Or should I say ... have a good run?
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Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 11:13
Just a little FYI. A Casus Belli is stated publicly, otherwise it isn't really one. ------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 11:37
+1 not just cause yer vip whit all honours you can do as you please td. we demand reasons ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: Sajreth
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 14:26
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uhm....actually I agree....here's a snipit from the wiki it links to: Formally, a government would lay out its reasons for going to war, as well as its intentions in prosecuting it and the steps that might be taken to avert it. In so doing, the government would attempt to demonstrate that it was going to war only as a last resort ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Ratio" rel="nofollow - ultima Ratio ) and that it in fact possessed "just cause" for doing so. |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 14:31
| Are you saying that RES should ask everyone's permission before declaring war on ICON? Is that where we are at now? |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 14:44
there is policing in this game. even for the police. ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 15:00
| Yes, StJude packed up and ran :D Lawlz! |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 15:04
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As I was running...I was singing.... |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 15:08
No, but just declare war then and leave out the puerile attempts at formality with daft declarations and pretentious latin phrases saying you have a cause. The cause is obvious to all and I for one welcome it. CASUS BELLI IZ SRS BIZNESS. P.S. I prefer asshattery in a declaration, I mean, at least entertain me.
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Posted By: Sajreth
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 15:18
| I was just agreeing with Uno...... that unless it followed certain criteria it's not Casus Belli. |
Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 23:56
Do you even know what is a Casus Belli? First of all yes, a Casus Belli is based on set rules, a party doesn't single handedly decide that they have a Casus Belli against another party. Since I don't think there are set rules about this currently in Illyriad (and yet so many claim that Illyriad does have politics) it's about time the Alliances that decide to go to war state that they are doing it without trying every time to paint themselves as the righteous paladins and the attacked party as the Devils. If there are set rules then I don't see a problem in declaring what is the Casus Belli? Second, calling for a Casus Belli obviously means you have to state what it is. Otherwise anyone could just claim they have CB and do whatever they want, save putting up the offended bully attitude like the one quoted above when asked what's going on. ------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 23:57
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I messed up ignore this
------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 00:54
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Yeah Uno I think I get the part about Casus Belli - its latin and means "Grounds of War", meaning you would require at any given time to acknowledge a the grounds of war - interfere in a war. The thing that leaves me rather baffled in all this is that it sounds like your'e building a NATO for Illyriad - I find that a little...too drastic perhaps. I don't support direct interference on this scale, in fact I would say that the problem lies with excessive use of confederation instead. |
Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 05:44
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still laughing over the Stjoke and the candycorn bit...that sh*t was funny Your unjustedness will be adjudested
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Posted By: Uno
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 10:43
Look I'm not building anything except resource plots. I was just protesting the use of pretentious words to make things look like what they aren't. I said -and I don't think anyone could seriously object it- that if you publicly state you have a CB then that has to be explained or your statement has no value whatsoever. You translated into to a demand of permission to declare war or who knows what else. Well, I can only say believe what you want. My impression is that there's a will to escalate the discussion into chaos so that, as usual, the real point gets lost in the pages. I'm not really interested, so continue with your conspiracy theories without me. For the records, Casus Belli is Latin because it exists since the Roman Age. The Republican Senate required a CB in order to declare war. So yeah I do agree with you, YOUR referral to NATO is a bit too drastic.
------------- Eréc of Caer Uisc King of Dyfneint Indomiti Alliance |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 12:35
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Hey maybe I misread your meaning - thats fair. But really; Conspiracy theories? |
Posted By: Gilthoniel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 13:06
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There has been no clarification of the Casus Belli by Res on this occasion. I notice that Harmless? didn't stipulate a specific reasons for their declaration against Valar either. From what I can see there is no formal requirement to do so.
Perhaps the community should give it's opinion on whether alliances should post a public notification of "Grounds for War" in the forum before making any declaration? Perhaps we can organise a seperate poll to see what the community would prefer?
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 16:45
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I just want to say how real world this game has become, its kind of interesting actually when its not frustrating :D
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Truth
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 16:49
I have been trying to have war justified in fine print to determine just cause to start a war. As of right now, players or alliances start a war over difference of opinion. So, basically, if you want to start a war, having a difference of opinion is reason enough to start a war on someone. H? and their coalition members have determined that a difference of opinion is just cause to start a war. Simply, I do not like you, lets war with you... It is really petty in my opinion that wars are started over such things. I feel this is more or less a grade school mind set. That hopefully mature adults would be able to have better reasons to start a war than over simply disliking the person. Wars are started over personality clashes in this game. In real life, if you do not like someone, he or she may talk behind their back or just plain be rude to that person. In this game, as of right now, players not only do just that but also war with that player or alliance. Illyriad: Petty reasons to start a war. If a player does not like this, then go ahead and blame H? since they are responsible for shaping opinions of most of the alliances in this game. However, if a player likes to war over petty reasons, enjoy! |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:02
The uh, War has always been started for petty reasons, in illy, in other mmos, in real life. When someone thumbs their nose at someone, someone else will take offense and start a war. The uh, H? factor.. Win over the new generation of players then.. they will be the ones that replace the current populace in the long run, shape their minds to your thinking, its already happening with other alliances, but you can do it too.. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Truth
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:08
Like I said, wars are started in this game over petty reasons. So, not one player in this game needs a good reason to start a war. That is the state of the game. In real life, most wars are started over decent reasons. But I do agree that some wars are started over petty reasons as well. The only problem is if the same player that starts a war over a petty reason has the same thing happen to them. The tables are turned and thus they do not like it when things are reversed. To the H? comment. It will be hard for players to shape the communities opinion as long as H? is the top power alliance. Opinions are one sided at the moment because of H?. To say that anyone can go against H? and change everyone's opinion is a bit harder than you make it out to be. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:22
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Theres propaganda everywhere, realistically the community views H? as America, and remember, America has its allied that will follow them everywhere. It's like fighting the Hydra, need to kill the whole thing, not just the head.. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:33
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This game does mirror real life, however, I am going to take exception with your comment Truth. You don't see H? posting every issue we may have with an alliance or player in GC or on these forums, that does not mean we have not tried diplomatic resolution. If we declare war on a player or alliance you can bet we have considered all the ramifications not only for our members but our allies. H does not enter into war lightly and may I remind you that it's been well over a year since H declared war on anyone. So much for that argument, next? Edit: So let me get this straight, you expect any alliance that wants to declare war to discuss the issue with the general Illyriad public before declaring? ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Truth
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:46
You can dismiss what I said all you want, but the argument still stands to be correct. The well over a year argument does not hide the fact that players in your alliance siege players over dislike and the fact you warred with Valar over dislike with their leadership. H? basically has the approach of hugging new players until they realize the player's opinion is different from their own. This player than joins the extermination list of H?'s siege engines. I do not feel like restating everything I said and making it more detailed to again make my point across to someone that has already made up their mind on the topic. So, it is pointless for me to even go on debating this with you Starry. So much for your argument, next? |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:49
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uh.. I have openly stated I'd love a revolution to take place in illy, and i dont believe anyone from H? ever sieged me. or thieved me. etc ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Zork2012
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:49
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just because a you dont declare war doesnt mean you arent warring with people so much for your argument
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Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:52
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lmao Truth, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but the facts bear out that you are incorrect. While you may want to believe that Valar was the victim, months of bad behavior and opinion of most of the major alliances tell a different story. Nice try but you only have to do a search on these forums for your answer. We don't war with anyone that disagrees with us, that is fact. I'm done with this discussion, at least get your facts straight before your try to drag the good name of H? through the mud. *waves farewell* ------------- CEO, Harmless? Founder of Toothless? "Truth never dies." -HonoredMule |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 17:53
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There are no facts Starry, there is just propaganda
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Gilthoniel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 18:33
Hello I don't expect that it should be done. I originally suggested that the community should carry out an opinion poll on that point. Actually Starry since you are Director of Harmless? , the most powerful alliance in Illyriad, I invite you to take a step back for a moment and consider what benefits would be brought by the "institutionalisation" of conflict in Illyriad. Harmless? has very much reached that age old male objective - "the top of the food chain" . There are no other competitors. No other alliance can compete with H? in Illyriad. If Harmless? were to carry on asserting their superiority by reaching their own decisions as to who declare war on without at least consulting with the Illyriad community you may start to be viewed as a tyrrany by others and the game may suffer as a result. On the other hand if Harmless? were to use it's superiority to benefit the game by supporting an "institutionalisation of conflict " you might usher in a new era of diplomacy and game play into the sandbox which isn't testosterone fueled. Do you see what I mean by this? One small step towards achieving this would be to agree that ALL alliances should serve notice (say 7 days) with grounds for war in the forum before making any declaration. I thinks it is at least worth having poll on this point . What about you? Gilthoniel
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Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 18:37
Propaganda is born from facts though. Its the spin this is put on it that determines how its interpreted. ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2011 at 22:41
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You know how there's that thingy where all conversations inextricably revert to a Hitler reference. Now we have a thingy where all discussions in Illyriad revert to a Harmless (?) reference. Poodle's Law? ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 00:40
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Rill's Law: All Illyriad-related conversations eventually find their way to someone being accused of being LH. And you, Llyorn, are LH. Oh wait, I am Llyorn ... I must be LH. wah!
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 14:37
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Back to topic..
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Southern Dwarf
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 22:40
| Which topic? It is over isn't it? |
Posted By: Carl Zeis
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 22:55
| can we see more attack reports those were fun! |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 02:27
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Kind of hard for me to post battle reports when I have ~N~, RES, Chimps, H?, A.A., TCol, DARK and mCrows sieging my cities. But I will see what I can do :)
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Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 03:35
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You brought it on yourself
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 03:54
What cities?
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Posted By: Silverlake
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 03:58
The only one with the zero population, that no one is sieging... somebody needs to get off the cross, because someone could use the wood.
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 04:04
Oh yeah, I forgot. Sorry, I like to pretend they are still real and talk to them like wee pet fish. StJude - Population 1
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Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 06:19
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:Edited: snickering quietly over here jude. A hearty thanks for all the help with the real issues of import. Please excuse my previous harsh remarks. You proved indeed, quite the useful tool. Best of Luck with the new schemes. This end was expected and somewhat lacking in the enjoyment I had anticipated. The funny/sad part for me though is the fact that on my oath, if you had it to do over again, You would do it all the same. You blame me and others instead of a dawning realization that the error was in the lack of your game ethics and your general lack of character. This lack of sagacity on your part is the true reason for your demise. In Illy, as in life Jude...I do wish you whatever fortune your honor does allow. Best Of Luck
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Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 10:54
Actually I get the sense that you are trying to lay doubts that you have about your own character and behaviour, in this game, at someone elses door. Perhaps you are trying to divert the communities attention away from your own mistakes. Perhaps, in reality, you are "snickering" with relief over the fact that StJude lost all his cities while you did not lose any...this time. You should realise that there are players in the so called coalition who would really be happy to have you razed out of the game and knowing the sometimes fickle nature of the community are looking for the opportunity to do just that. Writing posts like this does not help you AmrothAnguireal. |
Posted By: Mister_No
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 16:02
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Purgatorij. Just purging, after insulting, whatewer. In my, nearly blind eyes, StJude,you are dyagnosis. Just dyagnosis. Good Luck, StJude. Really, I wish you Good Luck. All the best. ------------- Neither the future is not what it used to be... http://youtu.be/lVdTQ3OPtGY |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 23:43
You're a deadhead Mister No  |
Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 01:25
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I am aware of more then you realize celeb...and jude can keep his revelations. Champs are not as naive as he might have hoped ....all was seen long back, not the instruments, but the path. This is a game of long strategy. I stand behind ALL i SAY...ALWAYS. There is no mystery shadowy person to track. All I do stops with me. You Celebcalen reveal nothing that the wise are unaware of and have seen to in advance. This is the art of strategy after all...being able to predict who might react to an action and how...then making sure you can nullify or counter the moves, when they come. We do have a few surprises of our own, comes to that. That's the beauty of it. You stack the dominoes just so to make something then toss the cherry on top and see how it comes off...  MisterNo stands with me...An Eternal Champion and an Eternal Champion. And the Grateful Dead are Champions to millions....ask around
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Posted By: Mister_No
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 07:47
Thus, celebcalen, I am deadhead ever since I can remember. Here, although I am hiding behind a keyboard and screen, I can not hide my personality, I do not offend, I'm not accusing, I do not judge. I have my life, I have my family, I have my many friends. By playing this game everyday get new friends, at least virtually, and that was my primary goal. Hail Illyriad! Hail The Eternal Champions! This is the most famous deadhead's ever.... http://youtu.be/C1M5xqDQW58 ------------- Neither the future is not what it used to be... http://youtu.be/lVdTQ3OPtGY |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 19:57
I do love this... How long is that, Mister No? 15 minutes? ;) |
Posted By: Mister_No
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 20:33
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I am 47, mister. ------------- Neither the future is not what it used to be... http://youtu.be/lVdTQ3OPtGY |