Wheel Joins The Fray
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
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Topic: Wheel Joins The Fray
Posted By: Manannan
Subject: Wheel Joins The Fray
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:00
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Yes fellow Illyrians its true. Wheel of Time has thrown its hat into the ring to be counted with the other voices. This has not been a knee jerk reaction and has been careful considered by the alliance leadership and the opinions and concerns of the membership listened to. I have keep all members up to date with global affairs and unsurprisingly not one member has spoken out in objection to our planned declaration. Our hope is that the numbers amassing will force common sense to be seen and negotiations to be opened to end the conflict quickly by the actual leadership and not by the members as it is at the moment. Do not be mistaken though we will not be sitting idly by on the side lines. WoT is dedicated to the protection of all its members and its allies and will no longer sit in the shadows whilst its friends take beatings and get trolled. Ours is not a moral crusade but one of friendship. A friend in need is a friend in deed. We begin to repay our debts today. By the way, no ignorant comments... Ellisande (Amyrlin) and Manannan "The Fish Wielder" MacLir (Marshal-General) For and on behalf of the WoT Leadership and Members ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
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Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:06
| Congrats Mana |
Posted By: Selissa
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:12
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Okay, I know this comes from someone who's on the opposite side from Valar, but all this ganging up on them is ridiculous... How many of these alliances have an actual reason to join this war? If it's just as support to other alliances, I highly doubt they need any support right now. Valar is pretty outnumbered, don't you know? I'm not trying to attack anyone in specific, but I just felt the need to say that even if you don't like Valar, you can see that this situation is getting out of hand. ------------- Selissa Proud member of Curse of the Wolves I'm an angel, honest! The horns are just there to keep the halo straight! |
Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:33
Each and every alliance involved has more than a good enough reason to join the war (thusly dubbed the purging). Also, the more that get involved, the quicker we'll see resolution come about. Your post made me remember a quote I heard/read somewhere (I have no idea where), but it went something like: The true measure of a man is not by the number and strength of his friends, but that of his enemies (sorry, I'm sure I butchered it pretty badly). |
Selissa wrote:Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:37
I disagree. All these alliances are going to have different terms for Valar and could quite possibly drag on the conflict as each alliance does for whatever it is they feel they need to do. -------------  |
Posted By: asm
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:19
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perhaps you're thinking about a Caesar's phrase that can be translated as "many enemies, lot of honor"... it's meaning is that you'll be honoured if you fight even if badly outnumberd, indipendetly of the outcome This said, to me, dlord, mcrow and wot are nothing but jackals.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:34
But Curse still rock! Woot Curse! Asm: One man's Jackals are another mans freedom Jackols. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:40
The more involved, the quicker Valar will fall (obviously), it also has been said that many alliances are involved because their friends are, once one group is satisfied the others will bow out as well. |
Posted By: Sovereign
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:44
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[/QUOTE] But Curse still rock! Woot Curse! Asm: One man's Jackals are another mans freedom Jackols. [/QUOTE] ROFLMAO! ------------- ~~Sovereign~~ "Dreams are the inspiration for the creation of man-made miracles" |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 05:31
| Not even worth my time.....good luck trying to be relevant. |
Posted By: <Squill>
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 05:45
| OMG, more members of the mobs. |
Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 06:08
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Yes, thank you for keeping your particular brand of opinion out of this one, St Jude. Also, Mananan... Was this really necessary? Five alliances against them did not open negotiations. Six didn't. You really believe seven might? Valar is as Azreil does, and no one else's opinion can change that. The decision rests with him and him alone, and threatening him with more force is NOT a good idea. Propose a ceasefire instead, and take this to the negotiations table, not the field of blood, death and baked trouts. I agree with Squill here, this is becoming a lynch mob. Civil War Era America, anyone? |
Posted By: Daufer
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 06:08
This was the thinking that brought us World War I. Will this end the same way? After everyone has demonized and grown to hate their enemy and imposed their terms for surrender will we end up with Illy's own Versailles treaty and a nearly destroyed, impoverished once-great power whose only thoughts are a desire for revenge? The French hated Germany and determined to crush the country so that it would never again be a threat. Kaiser Wilhelm's lack of diplomatic savvy allowed the coalition to form which made this defeat and punishment possible. We know how that story ended. Does anyone really want to follow that road again? At this point we all know Valar is going to lose. Let them lose with some dignity.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 06:18
Well Dauf, the ball as they say..... (lets just hope Azreil's a tennis player...) ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 08:09
+1
+1 By the looks of it Azreil is not going to come to the table. What is happening is the bigger players in the alliance getting lynched. They are treated as 'strategic assets of an evil force' rather than individuals with thoughts and feelings. They don't even know what the 'sins of Valar' are. They dont have the option to desert their ranks and flee when they don't know why they are being attacked for. |
Posted By: karpintero
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 08:16
Very well said Ander. It's a pity that these large players are being whittled down just because they are "strategic assets". Boromir and Viktor are already down in pop, while I do not even see a justification for attacking E5C4P3. And as LoTS has said on another thread, there's a Valar member of population 13000+ being attacked by an mCrow member of 72000+. Looks like this war is giving the "GOOD" side the opportunity to bully small players just because they are in Valar. And you call Valar the bully and evil. Shame on you. ------------- War is ugly. Make it happy. |
Posted By: LordOfTheSwamp
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 08:26
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Manannan - I've always had great respect for you. We've always seemed to be on the same page, with a live-and-let-live approach and a penchant for helping new players in Illy. I was wondering when you would speak out against the naked aggression of H?/DLords, or the bile-filled slanders of Lorre. Now at least you act... ... to join the jackals. ------------- "A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander. |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 08:28
I agree with everything in this post, save for one word. Becoming- this already is a lynch mob.
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 08:36
It always seemed that people did not bother smaller players because they believed in a live-and-let-live approach. Did they do it only so as to not to give the bigger fish a reason to come after them? When their own victory is assured, would they grab the chance to bully someone? |
Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 12:52
| /salute Manannan, Ellisande and WoT. |
Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 16:59
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Hail Manannan, glad to have you with us mates. Forget these sods and their malarky........I woke up this morning and news is azreil has lit out...so much for the nay speakers. Always follow your own voice of heart over the mob. All this pathetic whimpering from so many for a one who could not bring himself to fight one on one for an issue, or leave the alliance and save all the players who pledged to him fealty??? Disgusting Illy will prosper, if we make this so. This is a game of community and the alliance leaders in Illy actions directly affect all in illy. As such these actions are open to all for comment. Azreil could not comport himself in an honorable fashion...this end was forseen. A shame that many good players were adversely affected by this series of unfortunate events.
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Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 22:57
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wtf.. the more i see this the more i feel ashamed.. -------------  my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: asm
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 23:55
LOJ, Curse rocks because they took the risk to fight alone against a similar alliance.  btw, Curse and H? are sufficiently big to be, them alone, "another mans freedom Jackols". no need to be helped by dlors, mcrow and wot... or not?
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Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 00:07
maybe people shall think better before making a thing like "confederation" if they dont stand by their oaths. Confederations means that the two allies are like brothers, attack one if them, is like attacking one of our own. for me, i despise war jackals that just want to gang up the losing side... Velar may have been shady but in my opinion had never crossed the line to justify such a massive punitive campaign. btw i would really hate if someone would tell us who we can give protection to or who is to be cast outside. you cant impose your game style on everyone. but on the other side, not all velars confederations joined whit them.. and people seem to have a deep urge to kill something sentient ... ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 01:17
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Kilo-- As usual, I seem to agree some with you and disagree with you some! Absolutely agree on the Confed thing! In my book, if you do it, you live and die by it. So-- a word to those alliances out there with 15 confeds... you are basically saying that none of them are worthwhile. I used to think you could only have one as an alliance. Bela smacked some sense into me and made me realize you can do a couple or three well... But more than 4 or 5, imo, would be untenable! As to wars, this is where we disagree. I don't think that people joining in on the side they feel is right is wrong at all. Regardless of the ratio or balance. It's a vote. A vote with their feet. And should be judged as such. These people that have joined us support our side and are showing that support. We should be grateful. |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 15:39
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Nonsense Kumo this was a culling of Valar by you and your alliance. Witness the siege of Borormir who had done nothing to offend anyone except that he was the cornerstone of Valar success in the tournaments and ranking s that H? so highly prize as a token of achievment. The other alliances just joined in. Some to honour confeds; Some because they were bored and hadn't been in a war for months, some because they thought it would benefit there alliances or there own personal standing ( that Kudos word that you are so fond of using ) and some because it might look bad on them if they didn't follow H? in lock step. In the end it was classic Evony/travian feeding frenzy which I know that both you and KP feel to be "FUN" |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 15:50
ill say this for the last time just shut up you aint helping anyone ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 18:49
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I have had attacks launched at me by KillerPoodle. This was a feint. Since Valar's effective surrender to day I have had another attack launched by...guess who... AmrothAnguireal. You can also see in the post above that, as with the attacks on KT & Valar - Napoleon is now turning hi attention to individuals - anyone who says something that either he doesn't like or doesn't understand. Welcome to KP's brave new world folks. Wake up and smell.......EVONY! 
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Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 18:52
wake up and smell dead troll in the morning nothing beats that :p ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 23:45
yer not even part of velar. may you just stop? this whole affair is not of your concerning. you are not even in velar. ------------- my words on this forum are from me alone. DLords official words only come from HighKing Belargyle |
Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2011 at 02:24
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But he is a troll, and will continue to do this. KUDOS to AA for taking action on his no-illy-troll policy =D |