War,Peace and The Old Man Who Lived Down The Road
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Topic: War,Peace and The Old Man Who Lived Down The Road
Posted By: Mr Damage
Subject: War,Peace and The Old Man Who Lived Down The Road
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 22:53
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G'day Folks, Thanks for taking the time to read me, So here's the thing, Had a stimulating conversation yesterday with Kumo and a few others in GC, laugh a minute stuff. During this discussion young Kumo raised the issue of honour and that by PoS attacking H we were not doing the honourable thing because we had not declared on H. Now I see his point but disagree, PoS have been fulfilling their confed obligations with Valar because that is the honourable thing to do, you do not abandon your friend in their darkest hour, that is not honourable. PoS have not authorised any attacks on H cities and see no need to do so, if there are any rogue members that have or intend to do so, their targets are welcome to contact PoS and we will remove them from the alliance. PoS have only targeted H siege sites and if H are honest they will admit that these attacks have had little or no effect and show no signs of being a cohesive effort more so a few little brother kidney punches. These missions have now been halted save for those that may have been dispatched before the message went out, (we will advise once we know if and how many there are). It is clear to most that the situation has only one outcome and it is now just a matter of how big the losses will amount to and how many people will leave the game. H you will win the war and maintain your hold at the top of the heap, congratulations on a brilliant campaign, now you must decide with how much dignity you wish to finish the proceedings off with. I now come back to the issue of honour, I believe the honourable thing for you to do is to finish this yourselves, ask your confeds and backers to remove all their military elements and let H and Valar battle 1 on 1 until victory is claimed or defeat is accepted. Should you decide this is not acceptable then PoS will continue to honour their confed and resume attacks on H siege sites and then wait for your members (Sister Nikki has first dibs on my cities, you knew I would fit you in there somewhere didn't you.Lol), to raze or capture our undefended cities. I am an aussie, and aussies don't give up on their mates, that is not the honourable thing to do, whether they are right or wrong. Now, its Grand Final day in Australia, the Pies vs the Cats, I'm gonna crack a beer, put me feet up on the couch out the back of the veranda and watch 2 combatants go toe to toe in a fair fight called Aussie Rules, maybe you guys can learn something from that, especially at the end where both teams shake hands and say well done the best team won on the day. So the front door is open, take what you want, just don't take the telly and don't interrupt me until the footy's over. P.s Thanks to all those who have offered private support, your offers are appreciated. http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/angels/beyond_salvation.html
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Posted By: HATHALDIR
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:08
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And you know who my team is mate.......whoever is playing Collingwood!!!
------------- There's worse blokes than me!! |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:09
| Yeah I'm on the cats too mate. |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:20
| Sounds fair. H? will still have a tremendous advantage even without the other 6 but what the hell a good scap is a good scrap |
Posted By: SirTwitchy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:20
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POS only was helping out Confed members in this lopsided war. and now we have been declared upon by doing the HONORABLE thing. Well such it is. I will abide by my alliances request to stop aiding a CONFEDERATE ALLY and miserably watch them get beaten down by the gangs. As we were only attacking SIEGE Camps and aiding in DEFENSE, never attacking the attacker cities, I see the Declaration of WAR as just another brash and bullying tactic of H. I guess they don't wish a fair fight, just a fight they can win. Oh well have YOUR game as you will. Continue to RUN and RUIN this game. I understand you are the BIG alliance and thus you see fit to make the RULES. I will now go back to my corner and shut up...... and wait for H to muster their forces to tromp me ------------- please disregard the twitch, the meds haven't kicked in yet... |
Posted By: tallica
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:27
If the rest of Illy felt as you do, then you wouldn't see everyone ganging up on Valar, you would see this as an opportunity to gang up on H? and topple the alliance who is 'running the game' and 'making the rules'. Oh, I don't see people trying to take advantage of the fact that H? has armies away from home... |
SirTwitchy wrote:Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:36
Umm. K. So its honorable to attack without declaring war?!? Confuzzled. We're happy for you to attack us with or without declaring...... OH! I get it! By NOT declaring you get to continue to attack us and we dont get to attack you! Now I get the Honour part. PS Geelong all da way. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:37
| The rest of Illy don't see ganging up (I think that translates to bullying) as acceptable. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:39
We feel the same way about Valar. Hence the lesson. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:41
| At least we agree on 1 thing LOJ, go cats. |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:42
| And you are free to attack us. |
Posted By: SirTwitchy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 23:51
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well Im sorry , I wasn't aware that going to the aid of a Confederated Ally was considered an act of war. I guess the Rules of War according to H should be published for all to read. ------------- please disregard the twitch, the meds haven't kicked in yet... |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:00
| Perhaps just post the perception of the word Confederate as that seems to be the bone of contention. Did H really expect PoS to abandon their ally or was it reasonable to assume we would back them? Not rocket science, H declared on Valar which is as good as declaring on PoS (which you eventually did), just like if someone declared on T, it is as good as declaring on H because H will come to their aid. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:12
Sure. Attack us......war. Follow? ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:29
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Have never laughed so hard, thanks for that Lawn. To quote you.... Umm. K. So its honorable to attack without declaring war?!? So why did you go to war with the VALAR and not CURSE, DLord or PA. Obviously in your OH-SO honourable and sane mind, you are claiming; its more honourable to gang up on the honourable, whilst confeding with the dis-honourable. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:30
We did not attack you though |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:36
Missing the point. Declare war or dont. Its a technicality to us. But dont attack us and then expect to be free from retaliation because we 'weren't technically' in a state of war. Because there is no honour in that. Understand? ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 00:37
Was. Talking. About. PoS. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:48
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Lawn, what you said is its dishonourable to attack without declaring war.... Dont try and lie your way out of your dumb declaration.
Lawn, what you said is its dishonourable to attack without declaring war.... Therefore you are fighting on the side of the dishonourable. Dont try and lie your way out of your own dumb declaration. You will forever look the simple minded bully that you are...... .... Understand? |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 01:51
So you admit its one rule for H and another for anyone else, I feel truly sorry for anyone that continues playing this game, let alone paying for prestige as long as your alliance are around. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:11
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DK: Not what Im saying. The Dishonour is in hiding behind the technicality, not the declaration itself. BIG difference. Simple minded bully I may be. But at least not a coward pal. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:20
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Llyorn, I guess it's more a question of magnitude of involvement. PoS had no intention of attacking your cities or destroying towns, if we don't back down would you really refrain from siegeing our towns? Attacking troops in a siege camp, and attacking troops in a tournament isn't THAT different, where as attacking troops in the field and attempting to destroy a city is leagues apart. Anyway, I can't see the point of continuing a war where there is no challenge Mr D's post isn't necessarily representative of PoS
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Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:21
| LOJ were Curse ok in attacking Valar without declaring? I know it was specifically 2 people only but still, would you say that is the same as what you have the issue with PoS is? Curse I am not making a judgement on you guys here, just a comparision. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:31
Mr D: I honestly dont care if someone does or doesnt declare war. That is not the issue. The issue with PoS was that it was opportunistic. They saw a way to involve themselves consequence free. Attack us or dont. Declare or dont. Matters not. But poor form to attack (siege or no) and then cry foul that we reply. Being a cofed does not exclude from consequence of action ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:38
| I don't believe we have cried foul and I fully expected H to attack, I have no issue whatsoever there. Point is we stuck by our confed and I am suggesting you guys will gain even more respect if you take valar on one on one. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:38
Understood. TBH I agree to an extent. If it were up to me it wouldve been just Valar and Harmless. But as I said, it wasnt up to me. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:38
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First of all there currently is no crying foul as H? haven't actually done anything yet. Llyorn the question is would you have gone straight to steam rolling our cities or would you have responded only one step up. Ie assassins, thieves and blights, To which we would have weathered but not responded in kind, Afterall you couldn't honestly see us as a threat.
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Posted By: SirTwitchy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:40
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oh well this game has turned into dare I say.....Evony? ------------- please disregard the twitch, the meds haven't kicked in yet... |
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:43
| LOJ I appreciate your honesty and thankyou, good luck to all, this will be my last post, no I am not leaving the game, just accepting everything for what it is and finished with the discussion, see you all in GC maybe. |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 02:50
Likewise. Its been a rare pleasure discussing the issue rather than trading barbs. All the best. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: SirTwitchy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 03:17
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I'm so sorry H here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocv5WdBmSok" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocv5WdBmSok ------------- please disregard the twitch, the meds haven't kicked in yet... |
Posted By: tebout
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 03:27
Wow your ignorance just amazes me...  ------------- A house divided against itself cannot stand. Abraham Lincoln |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 03:58
| Incredible! |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 11:17
What you said is that it is dishonourable to attack without decclaring war, check your posts. Yes there is a big difference in what you say to others, and how you act yourselves. Guess thats behind a technicality is it?
The brave man speaketh, although only from behind the walls of the largest alliance, with a defencive line of of several other alliances, battling a victim which they know has already been weakened for them. ROFL |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 11:20
agreed  |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 12:13
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So far Prisoners of Society members like Sir Twitchy, Dogbert have to be admired for their courage and spirit. As members of there alliance they have put their cities on the line and honoured their confederation with an ally who are faced a by numerically superior and very aggressive foe. For ordinary players, who love this game, it is a very big step to take because you know that you are faced with wrath of H? You are faced with the dilemma. Do I risk all my cities or do I dishonour my word to my ally? Some have bugged out when faced with this situation. Sir Twitchy,Dogbert and more than a few others in the rank and file of Prisoners of Society didn't flinch. They quietly and calmly "did the right thing" Actually H? are very astute at metagaming and they know play on peoples fears or impending sense of failure fear. Kumomoto and his coalition allies (as far as I am concerned they are a rabble) have placing a great deal of direct and behind the scenes pressure on the PoS leadership to forsake their confederation commitments. Some of it has benn by arguement that Valar were a pariah allaince that harboured trolls and condoned newbe bashing. At the same time they declared war against PoS in attempt to break the leaders resolve. In addition Kumomoto has sent some pretty nasty messages by mail. I also know that others have been working behind the scenes to distance the leadership Prisoners of Society from supporting Valar. specifically I name Sunstorm and The_Dude as actively trying to undermine PoS but I shall not reveal further details to protect the names of those they have been trying to ...persuade. All this pressure has been applied and still these players stick by their word ! I think Mr Damage will stand by his words about not letting mates down. I reckon he will. I reckon he is a good bloke and a good mate. If anyone is going to stop this crazy war and show it up as a nasty return to Evony it's players like the rank and file of Prisoners of Society Right bring on the nasty responses |
Posted By: Grisna
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 12:17
Go Cats 
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Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 13:00
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I don't get this. You want to honor your confederation with an alliance who is at war, but you don't want any consequences of your actions? If you're confeded, then you're confeded and if you choose to put value to this confed and act in accordance with it, then you also choose to accept whatever will follow after you act. Otherwise, a confederation is just words with no value or intent behind them. You accept ONE "side" of a confederation, but you wont accept the other. Pick one, none or all, there's no "middle ground" when it comes to having a confed, either it's genuine or it's just words for show.
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Posted By: nightfury
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 13:10
| +1 to Dhenna |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 13:14
Dhenna, as they have said repeatedly, they expected consequences! It s just Lawn of Stench (the stench being cowardice) who has consistantly changed what he is saying in this forum and is trying to make out that they are in the wrong, in some pathetic attempt to cover the hypocracies in what he has said here, compared to how he has acted in game. |
Posted By: Becblue
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 14:26
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Hello |
I just want to start by saying sorry first for any mistakes or typo's i make but it's getting late, I've had a lack of sleep lately and as it was the grand final (AFL) today i've enjoyed a couple drinks whilst watching the game (Congrats to the Cats) Anyway i want to make the position of POS clear all we wanted was to honour the Confed with Valar nothing more (I know everyone has a different view on what that does or doesn't include so no need to argue that as i'm putting it IMO If we were trying to be oppurtunistic or wanted war with H? we would've done so directly) So we officially withdraw from war with H?. We'd still like to see a little more conflict in the game which Valar seems to represent, However some of their more questionable stances and attitudes have caused our paths to diverge, we don't believe ignoring a problem is the best way to deal with the community. This war is only the final straw, Not the cause of this so in short we have ended our confed. (Please note H? will only be hearing this now too) Thankyou and Best Wishes To All from BecPosted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 19:02
Wow, I'm a coward, bully, idiot, hypocrite and Im still kicking your a***. Where does that put you on the ladder?  ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Amroth
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 19:40
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I must say to all that I am a little disgusted. Over past week I have read so much dribble from those who would plot in dark corners and speak ill and of ill intentions...to be quite blunt...The shade has been peeled away from your collaborations. Azreil was an alliance leader who chose to pursue a personal vendetta at the cost of all other indications. He did not weigh right or wrong. He weighed only possible advantage and gain. This was a most unseemly act for any alliance leader yet even more so as the alliance is question was of such size and had so many members depending on him for real leadership. Azreil was dooped here by Zork2010 to come in on KT/Icon side in a war they provoked and wanted. Azreil directed attacks to us at KT cities/siege. No declaration. I challenged him. He refused, We declared. War ensued. Allies from both sides weighed in. Yet some would somehow change how they acted...we didn't attack you mates so much as we defended an ally.....poppycock. An attack is an act of war. Explain this to azreil if you see him. To all others who supported azreil and Valar in the recent and continuing hostilities....We say Bravo...But to send an attack and then claim a moral imperative as justification because now you are in fear of righteous retribution. I will say only that we are not fooled. I have made postings all to one point... all will own their deeds here...their words also. We do maintain that deeds alone are the measure of all. This is a community. I do not ever expect it to be totally unified. We are different people from different places. Yet here, the Majority of the active community did stand together. If you are whining now....it's cause your view didn't carry mates. Please keep the antics down...There is serious work now to be done. To our allies...We do Hail you all and The Eternal Champions Salute you. To all in Illyriad we say, Illy will be what we make of it...so lets make it something good.
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 19:49
You came out of this looking like a tool. Well played!
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 20:14
Talking to yourself in front of the mirror again, StJude? Seriously, I would not call anyone a tool, as I think that is uncalled for. However, your statement to Amroth is just a tad ironic.
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 20:36
Really? I should go apply at the Gap, I can hear silly quips like that all day there. Sigh....you showed such potential.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 21:00
Hur. Funny cuz its true. Hur. But then again I would think that's funny, wouldn't I? Back ta ma snorts n gigglz.... ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 22:02
Bec and Damage-- We really respect your being upright about this and as a result have offered Peace to end the state of war between H? POS. Please accept it (or not if you wish to extend the war). We trust that you are sticking to your word on dropping the confed with Valar and stopping further attacks on us. And we do respect you standing up for your confed partner. All the best, Kumo |