war {P A} vs S&B
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Topic: war {P A} vs S&B
Posted By: lorre
Subject: war {P A} vs S&B
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 14:52
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well like the title says. after thieves from Zork2010 hit my city of Tal'pat'ryn who is sat by Borg it became clear he was looking for an excuse for a fight ,after troops from Zork2010 were send to attack that same city war was declared. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
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Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 14:59
| Wait a second, didn't a PA member send dips at one of my allies before...... hmmmmm. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 15:06
after troops from Zork2010 were send to attack that same city war was declared. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Darkwords wrote:Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 15:14
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Ah yes that is fair enough then. KILL him. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 15:17
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On a side note is Zork a purely sat account (ie abandoned with a sitter)? Could this be the first of many wars due to the change in system, where-by sitting will be limited? |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 15:35
yea thats the reason since it will be limited or whatever he figured well why not attack the guys i dun like and stay out of shot ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 17:03
I for one hope it is. Illy needs some action. |
Posted By: Klandor
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 17:26
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To a greater degree, I seriously agree with the Rule Change. The ability to Sit an account indefinitely, is one of the ways that some people are getting around the 2 account limit. "Sure, I'll create 2 accounts and build them up, and, on each account, I'll Sit for 2 more people who have left the game, and that way I control SIX accounts..." If Zork2010 truly left the game and left the account to Borg, with the intent for Borg to run the account, then turn over the bloody account. As Zork left the game, I hear, over or around a year ago, Borg still working the account as his own NOW, a year later, is a little ridiculous. Klandor
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 22:38
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Why are we debating on this? if lorre and S7B want to duke it out, have at it! On a side note, this topic needs some happiness. I should make a few T-shirts for this war, you know spread some joy out of the blood of your fallen troops and rubble of your cities. How's this? "Got lorre?" :D Edit: Italics and pink font ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 22:48
chuckles. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 19:47
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Interesting, i support the rule change as well. And as far as the upcoming wars- I think with the rule change, a large battle is inevitable. people looking to rid themselves of massive armies or other accounts altogether
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Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 23:11
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grabs popcorn ------------- �I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien |
Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 23:46
Hmmm.... I really should find me a inactive account to sit for, so I could join the fun...  Anyone about to leave and to give me his sitting rights?  |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 05:03
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This issue is no longer about Borg sitting Zork2010. Borg is also a sat account (probably same sitter as Zork2010). They will both be gone soon... -------------
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 08:49
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Seems like the community should require some standard of proof in cases when people claim that others are abusing the system (have multiple accounts, sitting inappropriately, etc.). I saw a chat fail that tends to confirm that Zork is indeed being sat as described, but I would hope that in general we would ask for some evidence of such claims. I say that as someone who has been publicly accused of violating the ToS by multi-accounting with absolutely no offer of proof. (Which is understandable because I only have one account and a rather well-known alt, and thus it would be impossible to "prove.") I don't think it's OK to question another player's integrity without offering evidence.
I'm wondering what others think -- is it OK to make allegations of this sort without offering proof, or should we as a community ask people to back up their accusations or stay silent? |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 09:44
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I think Rill is right. You should not make accusations of rule breaking without proof of what you are saying. You should really report it to the GM's. How about if a person makes an accusation and has not provided proof to the forum or reported it to the admin team within say 3 days - then the community blocks them on Chat or something. |
Posted By: Sgt..Shanks
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:34
| The mail exists, I have seen it. |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:49
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I have as well.
And even if I hadn't, the multitude pf people the mail is genuine would be enough to persuade me.
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Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 15:19
That's not good enough Nokigon. Lets see the proof!
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 16:08
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You make it sound like a posting of text that forms the content of an alleged email is somehow irrefutable proof. Nok is right; multiple witnesses claiming its validity really is just as solid a source of evidence.
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:19
HonoredMule, has your distaste for Aneirin colored your opinion here? You are a smart guy, so I was pretty damn surprised to see your reply here. I do NOT agree that "multiple witnesses claiming its validity really is just as solid a source of evidence." That is a red herring fallacy, specifically "Argumentum Ad Populum" (Wonder if Amroth can translate this?) Just because there are multiple witnesses CLAIMING it's validity, does not make the statement true. Both Rill and Aneirin are correct in demanding the proof that many claim to have. I do not see that as an unreasonable request.. The other issue is you are assuming that the proof has to be presented in text. I appeal to the internet law of "PICS, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN" |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:32
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Let me make my argument more clear for you, and I'll write extra slowly. Both forms of "evidence" are equally flimsy due to the ease of fabrication. If you think a string of text has any shred of credibility above the claims of multiple sources, you vastly underestimate how easily anyone could type from scratch, or create by modifying the copied html of an existing unrelated email, or even easier still by modifying an Illyriad web page on the fly and then copying that. Ultimately both forms of "evidence" are just words typed in a box. But at least the latter is very likely involving actual distinct sources corroborating each other without conflict or discrepancy. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:38
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Let me write even slower for you. S C R E E N S H O T. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 17:47
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i didnt post this thread for any other reason then to inform why we are at war ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 18:12
That doesn't prove anything. Maybe Borg knows Zork in real life and recently Zork did something etc so Borg decided to go take some revenge in illy. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 18:22
Ok, here's one from that message you sent me 3 days ago. http://honoredsoft.com/fake_screenshot.png" rel="nofollow - honoredsoft.com/fake_screenshot.png Editing the page, taking the screenshot, and highlighting the details/cleansing sensitive parts took less than 3 minutes total. ------------- "Apparently, quoting me is a 'thing' now." - HonoredMule |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:00
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It took you 44mins to respond, I doubt that it took under 3mins. That said 44mins is not a whole of time either and I would have been content with that. I'll put it to you this way then. Hearsay and text, and now by your own demonstration, screenshots are not the basis to make an accusation and then say "I have PROOF" At this point, who is now to say, (I love that you did this btw) that what Lorre has is proof? It is all still in the realm of conjecture and speculation. And....your point is still a fallacy of logic. Just because some folks SAY it is true, does not MAKE it true. Now, is the evidence compelling? Now I am not so sure.....you just did a great job showing that even the screenshot forwarded to the GC Police is suspect. |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:08
| You don't seem to see HM's point. Nothing is proof! What you have to do is decide whether you believe the mail is genuine, which clearly you don't. I do. You have your opinion, I have mine. End of? |
Posted By: Smoking GNU
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:22
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Obviously not, Nok. Jude is the Troll of choice these days. |
Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:25
Hello HM Thank you for revealing your hitherto unknown ability to forge screenshots. No doubt this talent at forgery will be noted by many outside of H? The point made by Rill and Celebcalen in this thread is that allegations on issues such multiple accounts, which question a players integrity, shouldn't be spread without some sort of proof or evidence. Sgt Shanks says she has seen a mail. Nokigon has said that he has seen it but this is not evidence . It is hearsay. It's no good telling those players who believe integrity that "Multitudes have seen it" so there is no need to produce a mail. People don't want hearsay that is just as bad as spreading a false rumour.. People want integrity and proof. If Lorre has a mail he should back up his claims that the Zork account is being wrongly used. If he does not then he cannot be believed and his allegations are as fraudulent as the screenshot that you produced in the above posting! Whatever happened to simple honesty?
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:27
There are two ideas being debated here from what I can see. My main objection specifically to HM is his use of the word "solid" in the phrase "solid a source of evidence." That word "solid" did not imply that HM was ever saying that nothing is proof. What has happened now, and very skillfully, is that HM has demonstrated that even a screenshotted mail can be fabricated. If this were a court of law, the jury would be VERY hard pressed, given the evidence presented to find Borg guilty of running more accounts than two. The "masses" are ALL basing their opinion off of 1 email. Others, through faulty logic are then concluding, that if the masses (who's only source is now a suspect screenshot) say this is true, are now simply agreeing, because they heard it enough times. Like Rill said, anyone could make an accusation in Illyriad and if they can convince enough of the populace to get on board, some poor player could get screwed over by the angry mob with pitchforks |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:35
LoL (^_^) I posted that without providing proof just to get people stirred up a little.... MUA HA HA HA HA (I know, I really shouldn't have...) When have you know of me to post something WITHOUT having my proof. I will post the chat log below where Borg admits to being a sat account. Then, for further proof, I have uploaded the video from GC where it is stated. When are people gonna learn... *sigh* This link takes you to the video file: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwNW7WzJzuU&feature=channel_video_title" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwNW7WzJzuU&feature=channel_video_title I am renaming this war to: "The War of the Inactives" Edit: Corrected a color problem - nothing more (^_^) Edit: Added a quote to my original post on the matter.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 19:54
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I want to clarify that I was not questioning the accuracy of statements regarding zork/borg being played by the same player. I myself saw a chat fail that indicated this is the case. I was saying this sort of allegation should not be made (or perhaps should not be believed by the community) without evidence. As for the type of evidence, I think it's appropriate to weight the statements of witnesses as well as documentation like that above. For the people who are concerned about pitchfork-wielding mobs, my experience in Illy has demonstrated that the community is unusually thoughtful and weighs statements and evidence carefully. The discussion in this thread tends to confirm that -- people are evaluating statements and weighing what constitutes demonstration of an allegation. Well done Illyrians!
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 20:10
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I'm getting tired of this, if you have a problem on how these people conduct their actions then speak up in the Illyriad way, " take up arms against". other then that, theres nothing more you can do by complaining and whining about how the evidence used isnt fair evidence, This isn;t the real world where we have teams of investigators examining every small thing. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: The Duke
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 21:32
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Kudos to SunSorm for providing irrefutable evidence to the jury here. ------------- "Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives." |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 00:10
Hearsay: is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience. Your stupidity is confusing you. These people witnessed the mail, which is absolutely by any measure credible evidence. This is by definition and your own words not hearsay. Correcting you is getting exhausting. ------------- "ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 02:12
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again i started this thread to inform why this was happening.nothing else,if some people really have to keep going on about showing evidence then tell me this why? this thread was not started to ask for help so why should i post any further explanation or any evidence inhere? the war started for what i said in my first post. ww1 started cuz some archduke got shot people didnt ask for proof they had the facts why it started. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 04:16
Probably gonna catch flak for this, but it's gotta be done: Now tell me I faked that screenshot, Jude. You know you want to. ------------- Whence we cometh foreth youeth, youeth willeth knoweth iteth. - AnalrotsAnIStinkAlot |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 04:32
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I'm curious, my firefox top is blue, how did you get yours green? ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 04:44
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An attempt, although this might get shifted to technical help forum ._. Windows - Desktop--> Properties -->Appearances-->Scheme/Effects. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 04:52
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Ah your not english, sorry bud that doesnt quite help me. maybe someone else can or maybe ill just google it. I see a purpleish color though, it is now my goal.
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Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 07:54
| Well, Leungarifics mail was word to word the one I have. |
Posted By: Celebcalen
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 11:59
I don't see how Borg has broken any rules. From the mail he wrote he says he is just going to send the Zork2010 account out "with a bang" before the rule chang takes effect. No need to question his reputation then. (Why do people have to exaggerrate things?) If any anything Borg is playing the game the way it should played. "In your face" instead of "On the forum". |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 15:05
"In your face" instead of "On the forum" ??? You mean like your comment in Global about Lionz.... oh wait, I have it right here. [17:42]<Celebcalen> thanks my friend Lionz Heartz/StJude will sort it out for you Is that the sort of "In your face" tactics Borg should be using? (o.0) -------------
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Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 15:08
In your face using someone else's account. And again, "playing the game" just because he is about to loose the control of the other person's account. Classic examples of bravery and game spirit!
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Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 15:26
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This is fantastic! I love this game. |
Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 15:26
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Bravery? Game Spirit? No on the first, and I certainly hope not on the second (at least not a spirit we need or want here!). THis behavior is despicable cowardice at best. The Devs are right in fixing this obvious problem with the game, they just should have turned it off with no warning. That would not have had any impact whatsoever on legitimate players. Whomever is running Zork and Borg, please go back to Evony where you belong.
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Posted By: Divine Redemption
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 16:36
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Roller sits for Borg and zork. I am pretty sure those r not the only ones he sits for. |
Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 17:06
------------- �I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 17:28
One, I thought you'd left, and two, are you sure about that or are you just doing another one of your Havoc causing exercises?
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Posted By: Divine Redemption
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 17:37
I am very sure about it. Roller is the sitter. |
Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 18:28
| I would prefer to hear that from a credible source |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 18:31
The obvious thing would be to ask roller to defend himself. Strange thing about this tho is that he is a high ranked member of [Curse] which happened to be the alliance that kicked you out, sieged you, and sparked your whole infantile "I will get my revenge, youll see!"-trolling tantrum on the forums. Trustworthyness was never a part of your "persona", so unless [Curse] can verify that roller really is the sitter I suggest that people pay LH/DR no attention. |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 19:25
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Although, to give him his due Roller WAS in S&B |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 21:16
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I would not be hasty pointing fingers here.
Ok, where to begin......
1st
Yes, roller WAS in S&B, but so was Borg and Zork2010............
roller and Borg came to Curse, Borg went back to S&B to fight his fight, no issues here.
Zork2010 has been in a Crow alliance, went back to S&B to fight his fight, no issues here
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the sitter for both Borg and Zork2010 is unknown in Curse, didnt even know both were fully sat accounts....what I do know is that Zork2010 and Borg originated from the same player who is also a military man, so handed off sitter rights occasionally, in the beginning a lot to roller, but not anymore (as far as I know that is).
Why do you ask, well for starters, roller is sitter on my Alt Iduno, so that scratches out 1 (ONE) sitter account already, 2nd roller sits for Curse accounts when needed, various accounts in case people go on vacation, I do the same and so do others in Curse.
So, to sum this up, I find it highly unlikely roller is controlling both Zork2010 and Borg, no wait, scratch that, I find it impossible !
I do hate giving explanations, but I hate to see a good player like roller (who does not read forums) being dragged to the guillotine here without proper intell.
Hope this clears it up for people who read this thread.
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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 21:28
| Thank you, Iduna, for clearing that up. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 21:49
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Iduna, Thanks also. I didn't believe DR.... Go read DR's post if you wonder about this... http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/trolls-in-illyriad_topic2142_post23177.html?KW=#23177" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/trolls-in-illyriad_topic2142_post23177.html?KW=#23177 (posted below in case he deletes the original)
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 23:08
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So this is off topic, but I want to mention that the snippet of chat in which I was saying I like the idea of helpless settlers being slaughtered on arrival was a joke ... /me is mortified Not overly important, but want to establish that in case someone looks back in a year or so and wonders when Rill lost her thirst for blood.  On another note ... TOO FUNNY! |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 01:48
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Posted By: HATHALDIR
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 06:55
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Aren't Lorre and Borg allowed to attack whoever they want?
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Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 08:21
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They certainly are. However, using a sat account to wage your own vendetta against someone is quite a different situation. Whoever is sitting Borg and Zork2010, if indeed Borg is being sat, is using those to accounts to attack a target, keeping their own account safe behind the scenes. As Iduna said, she doesn't believe Roller would do such a thing, so in all likelihood, it's not him. This does however leave us with the fact that this player is the one most likely to have been stealing from countless players through the accounts he/she is sitting. Quite surprising how LH surfaces around the same time, although he may have been drawn here by the smell of blood in the water...  ------------- Whence we cometh foreth youeth, youeth willeth knoweth iteth. - AnalrotsAnIStinkAlot |
Posted By: Divine Redemption
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 12:36
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Roller (his alt is Spirit) is real life friends with Zork and Borg. He plays poker with them almost every weekend in Oklahoma. During the days when Roller's S&B alliance was forced to join other alliances to survive, Roller and Borg joined WOTP (now called Curse) and Zork joined The Crow. Since Roller was (and still is) real life friends with Zork and Borg, these two players allowed Roller to control their accounts via sitter. You all have to remember that I was a high ranking official in Curse. So I know the behaviors of all the players that were in Curse at the time when I left. I knew which players had players sit for their accounts. Iduna, much like Roller, sits for ALOT of accounts, that much is true. Iduna is the first player to stand up for Roller only because if not for Roller, Iduna would have never got to the 10th city and if not for Roller, most of the Curse players would have not increased their pop as fast as they did. Roller loved to send resources to players so the Curse alliance would increase their population and move up in rankings. Thus Roller is a farmer in real life, thus why he loves to gather resources and send them to other players to help them grow. The new sitting account rule was put in place to stop players like Iduna and Roller from exploiting the sitting account system. Iduna and Roller took over accounts from players that quit the game and used them pretty much as their own accounts. So yes, Roller has a history of sitting for accounts of players that quit the game altogether. Roller is real life friends with the two accounts in question... Why has Roller not been in here to defend himself? Why can't Roller tell you all who Zork and Borg had sit for his account? It is because Roller/Spirit is the sitter for the account. Iduna does not want to lose one of her prized members even though Roller is the sitter for those accounts. Let me say it again.... Roller is real life friends with Borg and Zork. Roller is real life friends with Borg and Zork. Roller has a history of taking over accounts that no longer has their original owner controlling the account anymore. Roller has a history of taking over accounts that no longer has their original owner controlling their account anymore. Roller has taken over accounts such as Snow, Borg, Zork, Infestion to use for his own vendetta to take out players of his choosing. Roller hides in Curse so he can save his main account and be able to do what he wants with his friends accounts. Iduna is letting all of this happen because she has a history of letting some of her own members leave the alliance to attack another alliance as long as they come back after they have gotten their revenge. People, please pretend I am not Lionz Heartz and Divine Redemption. I know who the sitter is, the sitter is Roller. I am not here to cause havoc, I am merely here to get the fact straights and tell all who are interested that Roller is indeed the player responsible for the attacks. But I must say, the sitting rule is a great victory for the game already as exploiters such at Roller and Iduna must hide behind their own accounts now instead of another players to do their ill damage. |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 15:14
| looks like the record is stuck, or did someone press repeat ?? |
Posted By: Selissa
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 15:18
Aww, come one, Iduna! Be nice, I have missed him accusing Curse of everything from spying to pushing old ladies into the traffic! ------------- Selissa Proud member of Curse of the Wolves I'm an angel, honest! The horns are just there to keep the halo straight! |
Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 16:38
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LH says: "People, please pretend I am not Lionz Heartz and Divine Redemption." That's rich. I am reminded of a little boy that once cried wolf.
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Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 17:05
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Hmmm....if Roller is RL friends with Borg and Zork2010 why doesn't he just get their passwords so the whole sitter change wouldn't affect him?
Oh wait, maybe he did!
Just pointing out some flawed argumentation.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 17:19
Disagree - the boy who cried wolf was right once.  ------------- "This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM "a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill |
Posted By: Divine Redemption
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 17:23
If Roller were to log-in as Borg and Zork with their username and passwords, Roller would get two accounts suspended (Roller and Spirit) if the GMs ever found out. A player can have only two accounts even if they may have friends. Too avoid this suspension issue, Roller can sit for their accounts to avoid the suspension. |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 03:22
| /me wonders why all this is so important to Divine Redemption since he/she does not appear to have a dawg in this fight |
Posted By: Jefke
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 08:00
and it seems that the accusations were proof enough to allow attacks to S&B accounts that were not even mentionned... not just mine ...  no warnings, no questions, no wars declared, just diplomats in small numbers & big waves from seemingly unconnected alliances, and 3 incoming armies as from this morning. A bit inconsistent from the ones claiming the moral high ground - no? Anyway I've discussed the "sitting situation" with Borg... and I think we can speak for the both of us when I say that; 1) sitting should indeed be limited further to avoid abuse 2) 90% of that limitation can be achieved by publicly publishing --> who is sitting for who --> who has been offline for a while (I think this info is/was already available somewhere) I've been playing Illy for some time now - if this is the end... so be it ...  happens, then you dieJefke
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Posted By: Thexion
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 12:35
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I think if you don't wish you don't have to take part in borgs gamble and leave S&B. Also if you talk to your assailant and state that you don't have anything to do with borgs ideas they might stop. And if they don't you can ask help from the community or join some other alliance. |
Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 15:52
| So LH/DR swears up and down the Borg/Zork is being run by Roller. And Iduna says otherwise. That is proof enough for me that it could not possibly be Roller. |
Posted By: Divine Redemption
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 16:18
It is fair to say that I never liked you and will never like anyone with a personality as boring as yours. But I feel you are bit upset still over me having a spy in your alliance. aka your hate for me has blinded your thinking. In fact I am still waiting for anything credible to come out of your mouth. That is right, you are lawyer full of bs and lies. |
Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 16:52
Whats wrong with lawyers even Bart Simpson wants to be a lawyer just like that Great American Jurist... (...uhmm our Scotty?)
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Posted By: fluffy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 19:50
Last time I checked, SF wasn't a lawyer... Kudos though, finally someone that got the correct usage of you're and your down!  Still could use a little work on the sentence structure though - missing an a :) *This post is brought to you by the ramblings of Fluffy's random thought train!
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Posted By: Mata Hari Krishna
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 22:54
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once again, our friend and colleague lh shows off the impeccable quality of his intelligence work for all of illyriad to admire. [10 Aug 22:44]<ScottFitz> advertising is far more despicabl;e than being a lawyer! ------------- "To betray, you must first belong." 
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Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 22:56
| Thank you for the compliments LH! |
Posted By: Leungarific
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 03:30
Poor Jefke, his post went ignored. Sorry that you are being attacked buddy, but refer below:
Does this mean that Borg is on Borg, Jefke, or did you talk to the person sitting Borg, and thereby, Zork2010? ------------- Whence we cometh foreth youeth, youeth willeth knoweth iteth. - AnalrotsAnIStinkAlot |
Posted By: Jefke
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 06:14
I will not add to the speculation... in the end it's up to Borg - or if you insist - Zork2010  - to answer that question...but as this forum proves folks prefer to believe juicy stories rather than dull thruths, especially if that juicy story helps them achieve their personal agenda ... what will he achieve by doing so?? one day we'll discuss this over a virtual  Jefke
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Posted By: liberty6
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 06:53
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after going though 100 bags of popcorn hearing evidence and taking extream pleasure watching you wanna be lawyers fight i will hand to you what i know. A) for the past year S&B has been quite the war allaince, B) zork2010 has bought numerous army supplies during the past 6 months, C)i have received a message asking about inactives being sat, D) (my personal favorite) i have seen S&B vs StA before and borg and zork have all the same fighting troops and style, E) it would not be a far cry for S&B to want a large scale war to send those "inactives" out in glory. i hope this gives you guys and galls a large settlement and if not more popcorn for me ------------- whats happened to the world? if intelegent life came to earth is RL would they consider us intelligent or not? probably not!!!! |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 13:01
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I don't see how a couple of soon to be inactives are going to start a large scale war. It doesn't seem like anyone of significant size is backing up Borg/Zork so once them and the few people who are supporting them are gone, I can't see it turning into anything bigger. -------------  |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 16:35
| ooops. to bad, S&B has to case to exist...which is sad |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 22:24
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I for one am siding with Skull and Bones. I, being Kurfist and Clavicus Vile. I am siding for Skull and Bones for the Hypocrisy I have witnessed for the past few weeks, and I see this event as an action of hypocrisy as well. My alliances themselves are not involved, even though a majority of my members have asked "what they can do to help" this is not their fight, they are instructed to simple build up their cites as always. I have arranged for my alliances to be taken cared for if a situations takes the turn for the worse, such as my probable death. This is not a suicide action, I am perfectly calm as I type this, as I why calm as I talked to a leader on Cv and my members on both accounts. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 23:21
suprise!!![insert sarcasm here] ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 18:17
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Inbound attacks from Rashaverak's [CoK] 6 days out, Cv's capital. How interesting to see that when I openly declare I am siding with Jefke and friends on this matter, and supply them with resources it entitles others to go on a glorious crusade and send attacks against me. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 18:34
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To be honest, you should have said you were siding with lorre. That probably would have been more of a determent to him and his support than stating you're against him.
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 18:36
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I suppose I could have, though in a short period of time I have been blackmailed by a veteran and have had attacks launched against me, so as of right now I'm not a very happy camper.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 18:47
| OK, so you take sides in a war by giving aid and comfort to someone's "enemy" and it surprises you that you are attacked? Seems like a predictable consequence of your actions, and probably what you were hoping would happen, based on your earlier statements. So enjoy! |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 18:49
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I found it interesting, more so that your leader refused to administer a punishment towards you because of the chatlog I managed to recover of you making snide remarks was done by your alternate account. Of course then Ladyluvs can't punish Ryelle because Ryelle isn't in Toothless. He'll I can just put the reply on here, who cares. " I have read the chat yesterday. I am not punishing you for any comments made back in February/March. I, quite frankly, just don't like your personality or your diplomatic skills. You and I are like oil and water. You say you have changed yet you continually bring up T? matters in GC. Apparently there is some "T? dirty laundry" that you don't mind passing around under your alt. You sent an email to Gemely. "I will never look at LadyLuvs the same." I have seen the chats. If you want me and my members to treat you with respeact you have to do that same. I was taught to treat others as they treat me. I can only "control", as you put it, the accounts in my alliance. To ask me to control others in another alliance is outlandish. Rill will be made aware of how you feel and what this has caused for T?. If you want respect from me and T? members, then I suggest you avoid any discussions about my alliance in GC or pm under this account or your alt at all costs, including anything more about this topic. My members will be asked not to comment on or question the rules of other alliances. I will have people watching at all hours and giving me reports. Do not demand something from me that your not willing to do on your own. You want respect from me and to hear your sides of issues, then you need to show me respect and stop badmouthing T? and me at every little chance. Once you agree to these terms I will send an alliance wide mail out to advised them to avoid topics of alliance rules. I will also make Rill aware of the issues and copy you on both mails. If you should happen to continue on with your remarks and discussion about my alliance or me after this has been settled, then you will have made it quite clear you really don't care about being offended, and you were just looking for an excuse to attack our members. I will then hand the matter over to others along with a copy of this mail with your response. It will be done privately, unlike most everyone else, I have no need to grandstand and make everything public. I await your response, until then enjoy the game! LadyLuvs, Chancellor of T? " As a friend in game puts it "It is blackmail, but this is a game that employs ALL the tools at one's disposal. You and I do not possess the military or diplomatic power these folks do. Plain and simple. They can say, "Shut up or I'll siege you" and all we can do is oblige or deal with the consequences." ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:04
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Kurfist did I mention that i *hate* being in a confederacy with you? One thing is you start fights that I consider less than brilliant, careless infact, - thats fine, Im not asking you to be perfect -, but I am nauseous by watching you eagerly announce your blunders on the forum. To you, a confederacy must be the equivalent of some sort of jewelry or pendant that you dress yourself in, saying "look at me I have powerful allies, dont mess with me cause I have big muscles that aren't my own", yet you seem to start conflicts every chance you get for the dumbest reasons imaginable. Let's be honest here, you dont really care a fig what you drag allies into - Its all about "Attila time" and youre always ready to entertain the masses. Your ego is signing out checks your armies can't cash, and that leaves any thought of a defensive pact=confederacy void to me, and I know many other =CE= players feel the exact same way. Why would they stick their necks out for you, when you're constantly asking for trouble? If you want a confederacy to mean something, show some respect to the players that you count on saving your cheeks. We are NOT at your disposal! |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:12
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Which is why I have been talking to Sheogorath about this issue for a bit, also stating that I would be leaving the Empires alliances once a replacement comes in to IG. I assume Sheogorath didn't forward that along? I also do not recall me mentioning anywhere "mwhahahahah i haz confeded alliances now bow" I do recall me putting a few comments on the forums, comments I know that would be scoffed at etc, and then messaging friends in game, so at least a small percentage of players will know my side of the situation. Though I am not calling for a bailout, this is not a suicidal charge etc. Is it an ego that made me decide "you know what, I don't agree with Lorre on this, I'll side with this party, what they say make more sense?" I would think it would be my free will, that made me decide i don't have to cower and be with the leaders of global, i can make my own decisions, i know perfectly well if I didn't comment on this then I wouldn't be under attack, but as I stated before I did not agree with Lorres reasons so I am siding with Skull and Bones. Of course we can all believe what we like, if I was anything of the troll you all declare I am I expect that I wouldn't have used an ounce of sense, logic or a semi reasonable statement that says why I did this, I would have launched a few dozen responses insulting you all and so forth. I am fine knowing that my downfall is inevitable, though I do hope that one day in Illyriad it wont be a grouping of players whom solely decide the fate of another, we all can dream can't we? ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:13
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Kur, I apologize for comments Rill/Ryelle may have made to you. I try to be kind, and I think I have been unkind to you over the past few days. Whether or not you provoked said unkindness with derogatory remarks about Rill/Ryelle, my friends or alliance mates is immaterial. I would not live up to my ideals if I continually allowed others to tempt me to betray them. So I will be trying not to respond to any of your comments in the future. Good luck with your current strategy and enjoy the game!
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Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:20
Why not do it now? Right now - the very minute your eyes glance over this sentence. Save us the trouble and anull the confederacy right now - with both alliances. Why keep up appearances? |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:24
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I could in a sense, though it would be up to Sheogorath as the overall head, I have the authority to decide what I as a person will do, even if it makes matters worse for myself, but I can not cut nor establish ties without permission for Sheogorath.
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Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:27
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...what a load of #%%!¤!#* |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:29
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I would suggest bringing up your concerns to your leader, he is a wise player and would know what to do in this situation. Now then, I must depart for a few, can I trust everyone to keep the name calling down to a minimum?
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:35
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If you're not going to help him or his alliance what difference does it make if you're confed with him? A confed doesn't force an alliance to help the other, it just suggests that it will. ------------- |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:35
| What do you actually expect? Rill is 100% right, if you openly announce you're supplying our enemies you're going to get smacked. |
Posted By: StJude
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:46
| I would like to express my moral support for S&B, am I now fair game too? |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 19:48
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Id very much like to think that there is an actual value in a confederation and that its not just "convenient jewelry" and a meaningless line in your diplomacy menu. But as history has shown, you just need to confed the wrong players to "water down" the concept into something completely redundant, and as you point out - indifferent. Id rather like to think that =CE= was better than that. |