official water claim
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Topic: official water claim
Posted By: Kurfist
Subject: official water claim
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 19:52
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I Kurfist, hereby claim the lake that rests to the west of my capital, approximate coordinates of 950 -279 for use of my alliance, for training methods. I claim this lake for the future path finding and naval updates that will be released in the following years. I also claim the ponds located to the east of my capital, coordinates are "960 -283" ,"965 -283" and "968 -281". These ponds are future secure naval sites for my alliance "skullcrushers" I am aware that another alliance resides near this lake, however I copied the chat log that held the discussion between myself and the alliances leader on to this thread. In this log myself and the leader exchanged comments, while he claimed that he had claimed such lake long ago, however when asked for the claim he refused to bring it. This leads myself to believe no such claims existed and therefor this lake is free for those whom claim it, that such person is myself. I hereby list the punishments for trespassing upon my lake. For use of Naval units upon my lake without approved tribute* to kurfist, punishable by naval units being destroyed, and raiding upon players town. For use of unauthorized building of bridges, without approved tribute to Kurfist, punishable by raiding upon builders town. What I plan do to with this lake is, create my own web of bridges across the lake, allowing myself faster travel and possible income if tolls designated by Developers. I plan on building future naval units, and will use such to enforce control within my lake. With many such alliances such as Dwarven Lords claiming their own alliance areas, areas that only they could dwell, being tolerated. A simple water claim, such as this lake, a mass of over 300 squares, squares that can not be settled upon. I will however allow Simple bridges between landfall and the islands located within the lake, so that the players on said islands can transport units to and from landfall without use of my tax. Maximum bridge length, 3 squares. Any alliance that is on friendly terms "NAP or higher" to travel freely and use designated squares "as designated by kurfist" for their alliance. Below is a chatlog concerning where I alerted global and the alliance leader "Gratch" to my claim. I should hope that others will approve of this thread and its subject, however no trolling or off subjects conversations or comments are allowed on this thread. Fine print Due to the lack of ability or lack of want to retrieve a declaration of ownership by the existing members of the alliance D'hara Empire, any claims that appear, will be ultimately turned aside. If any new claims appear, by new parties of the global community, they to will be turned aside. If the new parties wish to seriously claim the lake and the ponds located to the east, they will initiate combat with skullcrishers, winner take all. *- The tribute must meet with Kurfist's approval. [19:23]*Kurfist claims the lake found next to his cpaital as his own.
[19:23]<Kurfist> Discuss
[19:23]<Distrassa> Gratch, I get that. But there's not really a "better" place, either. There just isn't a place, period.
[19:23]<Haizea> a PC would be awesome
[19:23]<Gryzelda> we need special place for drama, debate, and smut
[19:23]<Distrassa> great, lump THOSE together
[19:23]<Distrassa> porn and philosophy are not exactly the same
[19:23]<Distrassa> (usually)
 [19:24]<Kurfist> smut?
[19:24]<Haizea>
one that you can have in the GC... you could click on the person's name
and select to start a private convo with them while still being ablt to
read what's up in GC
 [19:24]<Calamity> THAT depends on one's philosophy
[19:24]<Gryzelda> Richard
 [19:24]<Haizea> smut Gryz?
[19:24]<Haizea> lol
[19:24]<Distrassa> Yeah, whispers will be nice
[19:24]<Distrassa> that'll fix a lot
[19:24]<Haizea>
 [19:24]<Legless Leafsmoker> Particularly to a Freudian
[19:24]<GrgaCvarak> [19:22]<Kurfist> I plan on having a politics room. Uf, uf...
[19:24]<Haizea> I <3 whispers....
[19:24]<Distrassa> What saddens me the most is that everyone is now scared of discussion. It leads to insults. It shouldn't, but it does
[19:25]<Distrassa> It's a rightful fear, but it's really sad
[19:25]<Haizea> I agree Distrassa
[19:25]<Legless Leafsmoker> People are fine with civilised, intelligent debate - the challenge is keeping it on that level
[19:25]*Haizea throws a whipcream pie at Distrassa
[19:25]<Gryzelda> well some people play games to get away from that sort of thing
[19:25]<Distrassa> *coughs* and it only takes one to lose that level
[19:25]*Haizea whistles innocently
[19:25]<Gratch>
It's not necessarily a fear of discussion here Distrassa, many would
gladly join you in that discussion. GMs have said that topics such as
religion, politics and the like are not suitable for GC tough
[19:25]<Distrassa> yea full circle point!
[19:26]<Gratch> *though
[19:26]<GrgaCvarak> Why we have not weddings here...I want discuss about that!
[19:26]<Distrassa> Ok, there seemed disagreement on that.
[19:26]<Haizea> unless it's within Illyriad, I understand the point of keeping it out
[19:26]<Distrassa> But as mentioned the point's valid. The usual outcome is bad
[19:26]<Haizea> LMAO
[19:26]<GrgaCvarak> And children growing
[19:26]<(EOM) Harry> Not a Havoc or KT member in sight, wow this is new!
[19:27]<Gryzelda> and vodka!
[19:27]<Distrassa> They grow??? no!
[19:27]<Haizea> Grga.... seriously. do you have someon in mind to marry?
[19:27]<Kurfist> The tampering with the logs will be rememered grgacvark
[19:27]<Gratch> Harry, don't jinx it.
[19:27]<GrgaCvarak> And whiskey distilery
[19:27]<Gryzelda> Gaia and Gaius!
[19:27]<Kurfist>
Since Gratch did nto challenge my claim in the forums, of my public
claim made moments ago, the lake next to my capital is rightfully mine.
[19:27]<Kurfist>
[19:28]<Haizea> lmao
[19:28]<(EOM) Harry>
nah, i like them here every minute they get mad in GC means more
chances of them slipping up and giving me information, tis what i deal
in after all
[19:28]<GrgaCvarak> No but its good option...
[19:28]*Kurfist plans to use some kobolds to enforce his lake.
[19:28]<Gratch> Think what you like Kurfist. I claimed the whole of Kul Tar long before you.
[19:28]<Stifle> hey guys im back
[19:28]<Kurfist> link please.
[19:28]<GrgaCvarak> Hey st
[19:28]<Gratch> find it yourself
[19:29]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Haze, when do you got to sleep?
[19:29]<(EOM) Harry>
 MFW i have a substantial lake for myself and Mcrow members [19:29]<Haizea> um..... did I sleep?
[19:29]<Haizea> I do'nt remember
[19:29]<Stifle> well kurfie he is MUCH bigger than you bud. lol
[19:29]<Kurfist> I will not let a lowly elf take the lake from my grasp
[19:29]<Kurfist> When boats are unleashed, prepare for naval combat!
[19:29]<Gaia Nutella Tulips>
Caffeine powered?[19:29]<Haizea> um... I was on here all night... chillen and writing poetry and that little story thing...
[19:29]<Gratch> Psh. Good luck.
[19:29]<Haizea> no... not til this morning
[19:29]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Caffeine powered boats
 [19:30]<Haizea> lmao
[19:30]<Aralon> when boats are released, will sea monsters be put in as well?
[19:30]<Aralon> or will that come after?
[19:30]<Kurfist> Prove your claim Gratch, its not my responsibility to dig up your claim.
[19:30]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Probably later
[19:30]<GrgaCvarak> Poetry...ia wanna read
[19:30]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> and I was the story!
[19:30]<Steadfast Shield> i think that they will be like land monsters... released with the factions
[19:30]<Haizea> I would think that Elves with their affinity for wood usage would have the fastest ships
[19:30]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Where did you put Cyn and Cassi in?
[19:30]<Aralon> because where I am, I imagine there is going to be over 9000!! sea monsters, I live in very very rough seas here
[19:31]<Aralon> there is like 100 foot waves that crash upon my cliffs
[19:31]<Gratch>
I don't really care for looking for it. It's a lake in a game. I am
beyond bothered by it. Call it yours all you wish. Makes no difference
to me.
[19:31]<Haizea> I was thinking of posting those love letters I was asked to write
[19:31]<Kurfist> I shall do so.
[19:31]<Haizea> lol
[19:31]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> you wrote love letters?
[19:31]<Haizea> Especially the one the won me all my armor
[19:31]<Kurfist> and will make a formal claim that specifies possible punishments for any disruption in the lake.
[19:31]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> lol ^_^
[19:31]<Haizea> yup. Fluffy had a competition
[19:31]<binkyboy> hello GC
[19:31]<GrgaCvarak> cataclism...call obama LOL
[19:31]<Kurfist> A kt member.
[19:31]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Kurf, will that help if we raise your city by the lake?
[19:32]<Haizea> hi Binky
[19:32]<Kurfist> Harry you jinxed it!
[19:32]<BellusRex> Greetins' GC....any of ye be knowing what level the pussyfooting markets got to be before ye can have more than 5 caravans?
[19:32]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> CV, I love you too much
[19:32]<Kurfist> If you harm my city you'll bring another alliance into war with yours
[19:32]<Steadfast Shield> lv 5
[19:32]<Gratch> Kurfist, if you did anything at all for my "tresspassing2 on your lake, I'd happily raze your capital.
[19:32]<Gryzelda> hi Bellus!
[19:32]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> ZILLA!
[19:32]<Gryzelda> Gaia!
[19:32]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> CV is not in a good mood methinks?
[19:32]<Kurfist> We shall see.
[19:32]<Gryzelda>
[19:32]<BellusRex> <---loves the smell of war in the mornin'
[19:33]<Grah'lak> As you should, with a name like that Bellus. Lol
[19:33]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> Damn, was gonna threaten you till I realsied you were in PA
[19:33]<BellusRex> up flags....
 [19:33]<Gryzelda> how about cake and gardens?
[19:33]<Gaia Nutella Tulips>
 [19:33]<Distrassa> He urinated in the lake. I saw it... kick him, kick him
[19:33]<Haizea>
 [19:33]<Kurfist> If you tresspass in my lake i will happily raze your capital
[19:33]<BellusRex> ye can still threaten, I won't tell
[19:33]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> no orcs.. hehehehe
[19:33]<Distrassa> *rouses rabble*
[19:33]<binkyboy> how can i start my own alliance?
[19:33]<Kurfist> and *censored* on the ashes.
[19:34]<Gaia Nutella Tulips> lol!
[19:34]<Haizea> lots og money Binky
[19:34]<Gratch> Whatever you say Kurfist, whatever you say.
[19:34]<Haizea> of*
[19:34]<Kurfist> Just so we understand each other.
[19:34]<binkyboy> i have plenty
[19:34]<Kurfist> You have acknowledged you understand the punishments.
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Replies:
Posted By: Gratch
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 20:44
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http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/kul-tar_topic1336.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/kul-tar_topic1336.html
Proof given.
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 20:45
I am afraid it is too late, you could have brought that up while we were discussing the matter on global, however you chose not to. Also from the conversation we had in global, "[19:28]<Gratch> Think what you like Kurfist. I claimed the whole of Kul Tar long before you" According to the thread you just pulled up, "The Con Orc" made the claim, not you. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Kurfist wrote:Posted By: Gratch
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 20:47
| I have told you before. I said it was on the forum to see. Not my fault you didn't bother looking |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 20:55
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I have also told you "[19:30]<Kurfist> Prove your claim Gratch, its not my responsibility to dig up your claim." You were warned, you chose to ignore the warning. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Smoking GNU
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 21:16
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XD Claiming something that is currently totally useless and will probably be for a long time. You ppl just made my day. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 21:22
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Best for the claim to be out in the forums now, then when the water becomes useable and others claim it. Mark my words when the naval update comes out, you'll be seeing many claims like this.
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 23:13
All bodies of water have already been claimed by me as spawning sites for my beloved trout. If you strike me down they shall rise up and be more powerful than you can ever imagine!  ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: BellusRex
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 23:46
| I just want to sneak a pipe in some lovely spot of water and drain all the forge slag out my town... |
Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 00:05
| I think Kurfists claim is for the lake surface, Man you and your trout are just fine safely beneath the waves |
Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 00:14
------------- �I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 00:18
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As an Orc I don't really care whats going on in my lake, as long as people abide by my rules. Note I nowhere stated that waste could not be dumped into the lake, I'm putting the waste from my capital into the lake as well. I don't see why Gratch is arguing so strongly about this, as qouted by Mana "LOL. Good for you, I'll be sure to send cookies. The idea of actually building a navy in a lake actually beyond the ridiculous though... It'll be like one of those boating lakes you have a fun parks. Its an enclosed body of water for the love of god! What are you going do? Sell/hire pedalos to the Illyrians or re-enact Pirates of the Caribbean? Actually now that is a good idea... I want in! Illyriads first theme park! Tell the Disney Corporation to stick that up their backside." So I am assuming you are arguing just to argue. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Gratch
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 01:49
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I wasn't necessarily arguing for the ownership itself. It was more that you felt you can enforce rules over it such as if someone doesn't have your permission to pass you can raid their city. For all I care, you can have it.
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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 05:02
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I sooooo wanna send over a city from my alt (elf) and establish it there now... *must resist the temptation* -------------
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Posted By: Makanalani
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 05:13
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Why claim a lake when 1. It is useless until proven differently. 2. Claim something with very little authority or manpower. This is not meant to sound offending or make an argument just to make you angry, but I just don't see the purpose Kur.
-Mak ------------- "Life is a beautiful struggle" -New IGN: Mak (Dark Blight) |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 07:21
The lake isn't useless - its where Manannan gets all his trout.  -------------
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Posted By: scottfitz
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 16:08
| I think Kurfist's claim is completely valid and reasonable and will stand uncontested — at least until navigation goes live. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 16:27
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i claim this lake eventho i have no idea where it is for trainingpurposes and just to proof the myth that orcs cant swim :) ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 18:24
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This isn't a real claim lorre, you got me all ready to beat down your claim with my Orc lawyer friends and have me given " i claim this lake eventho i have no idea where it is". This is not a serious claim, and therefor is turned aside. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 18:50
okay i claim this lake and will destroy any of ur boats/troops there if ever seen closer then 10 squares from it. serious enough? ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 18:56
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Which would then bring you into combat with the small Orc league "Skullcrushers" my my, a veteran picking on the lower players of the community, I thought the players were against this? The fact of the matter is that while I would defend my claim against those whom challenge it, you would gain absolutely nothing from it, except a smile at my units defeat. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 19:01
a smile is all that counts lol actually the claim on these lakes were made by someone else before you so yours is not valid either i thaught anyone could contest your claim? ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 19:03
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I will gladly accept the challenge, my attacks will not stop till my cities are razed to the ground, or until you surrender. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 19:10
could take a while seeing i wont send 1 soldier towards ur cities ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 19:12
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Then victory will be mine! one vs one combat. agree? ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 19:15
lol yea ok ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 21:38
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Since only the lake was claimed... ***I make a claim to all the air up above the lake.*** I am sending 550 magic pixies to secure all space above that lakes surface and surrounding shore. This is now a controlled/restricted air space. Any unauthorized persons found occupying this space will be under immediate attack by my league of armored unicorns. Warning has been given!!! Turn back now before all hell breaks loose!
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 21:45
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Get off this thread, you are not talking anywhere near what this thread was about. This was a declaration of the lake and ponds close by. Where the hell do I mention the airspace? nowhere, make your on thread about it since your such a regular comedian.
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Shaharet
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 22:43
I think the community is against unprovoked attacks on smaller players. But if a small player tries to make a bigger claim than they can back up, and attacks a vet over it, I think that smaller player is fair game. And also eligible for a Darwin Award. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 22:46
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I messaged lorre as to why he would butt his head into my claim, his answer? for the fun of it. There we have it, this war will go on until lorre dies, there may be month long breaks, may take a year or two to achieve, but when lorre falls remember, this was all for fun. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 00:56
| Does the orc health spa include wart removal treatment, if so what happens when one of your kind evolves into a human? |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:21
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:35
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They die, we did an experiment once, breeding more violent and greedy creatures many years ago, as you can see, the results have been disastrous
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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:41
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:42
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I thought it made perfect sense, I basically said that we created the modern day humans. Violent and greedy, more so then normal Orcs.
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Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:44
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Oh, my bad! (^_^) You were addressing the comment above mine. Ok then. (o.0) But I still worry about you. (:P) -------------
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:46
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Why do you worry about myself?
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:50
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(:P) Well, it seems as though your dominant orc personality takes over at times. (^_^) You used to be more playful (which you still are), but now you seem to take comments more personally and act a bit rash at times. Then again, everyone is entitled to act as they please. (:P) -------------
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Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 01:53
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Clavicus Vile is a human, and a caring one at that. Kurfist is a bloodthirsty Orc who will attack all who defy him. I personally and this is the person operating the accounts speaking, I personally believe that CV will outlive Kurfist, by attitude and common sense.
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Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 11:42
An observation on multiple personalities from Sunstorm. Hmm interesting
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Posted By: Thordor
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 16:42
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Adressed to Kurfist, Orc. The honourable council in the imperial palace of Terra Prime gathered on the issue of the claim from one 'Kurfist' on a body of water near his place of residence. The deliberations continued for a number of hours deciding on what course of action (if any) should be taken. The case of Gratch, who has also claimed this body of water (at a time before the Orc Kurfist attempted to claim the same location) should also be taken into account. The honourable, and noble courts of Terra Prime recognise Gratch's claim as the legitimate, and Kurfist as the aggressor in this situation. and after deliberation past a decleration of assistance, extended to Gratch, should he wish to solidify his legitimate claim on the lake. The decloration of assitance includes: The re-arming of soldiers killed or wounded in the lake conflict. Deffence assistance for his cities, however we won't directly attack. Resource shipping to repair damage inflicted by the Orcs bloodthirsty attacks. The Orc war machine will not be allowed to walk all over players, nor bully them from their land (in this case, water) when a legitimate claim by a higher species has been made. It should have been up to Kurfist, to examine all other possible claims to the lake body in question. failure to do so can only be attributed to his lack of want for the lack itself, and/or, but not limited to war mongering for other claims he might have known about. This was passed by the highest authority in Terra Prime, Capital city of The Red Order. Sincerely, First Minister of his most sacred order. Honourable Knight of his respectable order. Noble of his honourable and respectable lands and people. Lord Sir Thordor Kerrigan the first.
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Posted By: (EOM) Harry
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 19:20
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All i know is that The Red Order has no bearing in this what-so-ever and i doubt that they should be listened to. They have no relevance in this at all and should probably withdraw all allegiance to said player because it is done for unethical reasons. ------------- Fool's watch the land when the problem is in the heart. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 19:24
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The Red Order? they will be taken care of ;)
------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Shadar Logoth
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 19:57
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It's nice to know once in a while when someone is role playing or just being a pain. I can respect a role player, not a person just being a pain in the ass.
From what I think I read here Kurfist means this as a role playing element, serious as it is. I respect that.
Obviously it won't affect me nor my alliance, but it's good to know someones values in this game, wether they be based on role playing or real life.
In this case, Kudos Kurfist, may your alliance live long, or die in bursts of flame... if it is the latter, then it won't be my doing... i prefer swords and slaughter in general  ------------- More Orc, less talking! All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules. |
Posted By: Kurfist
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 03:32
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[03:29]<Lorre> oh yea kurfist i surrender [03:29]<Kurfist> what? [03:29]<Steadfast Shield> LOL [03:30]<Lorre> need those troops somewhere else [03:30]<Kurfist> I win. [03:30]<Kurfist> I win the lake!
I win the battle, and temporarily win the lake. ------------- Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin |
Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 03:33
| have a nice swim, Kur! |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 18:50
| /me considers summoning the Cave to take the lake.... but no. I claim the pass between Ragallon and Lucerna. Much more strategically important. |