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Topic: Some innocent informations
Posted By: _duQ
Subject: Some innocent informations
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 11:27
I'm puzzled and disappointed by Azreil's extreme reaction toward me, he's always claimed to be a skilled politician. He could have let me make a peaceful farewell to all the members I've been helping during months. Trying to prevent me from communicating with other Valar was pointless and the way Azreil ejected the poor Quicks, who can't connect atm, because I'm his sitter, was ridiculous. There are spies inside Valar and he can't prevent it. The informations I already had were more threatening to Valar than the informations I could have acquired by looking at the Valar chat (which is most of the time a chat between Dakota and Angrum having nothing to do with game). And I would have distributed my resources to Valar's members.
Moreover I have been willing to quit the game since the 2nd tournament because of all those incoherent game systems, because of the game's rules changing every month or 2, because the server is crowded, because the biggest players are regrouped in one unique alliance, etc. Valar members kept convincing me otherwise, seriously guys all that energy spent for finally betraying me?
Az announced I'm "fair game" knowing that I had already demolished my cities to 20Kpop total and dismissed most of my troops. He, at least, could have let me have a good fight or a peaceful retirement.

Now when I see Anjire displaying an obvious knowledge of igm I sent to Valar and as I'm fair game and as I've been betrayed, I think I can publish 1 or 2 infos. I don't hope that it would lead to any consequence, although I think this boring server would need a good global war.

We you're stuck in the same situation than most of Evony servers after 1 year, everyone is bored, a big alliance or a big meta-alliance forbid any skirmish between old players, instant messaging prevents from concealing attacks, old players quit (several Valar's old players did), scavenging players (Lorre and co) are restless so any pretext becomes valid to demonize and lynch another player. The only players that are happy are daily clickers.
If you add the fact that this community (when I say community I'm talking about the 10-20 players that always speak on GC and intervene on forums) is one of the most right-thinking and heinous and full of hatred I've encountered so far (I reckon not the worst).


_duQ


your call

Sent By:Azreil [VALAR]
Received By:You
Date:6/7/2011 5:17:39 AM

Buddy,

I believe that the community is right now being polarized by our recent actions, I use the word "our" because I share the responsibility as the leader / founder of the VALAR.  I am getting information that H? is mobilizing its allies against us. While we still have to hear from 0--0 and Invictus. I highly doubt that it is the time to pose a military challenge to H?

In view of the above and before I formalize options for the alliance to consider in coming up with a formal position on the matter which we shall then broadcast to the community, I would like to hear your position and plans on the matter.

Personally , Im still divided on whether to :

a. Challenge H? and risk my survival in the game and the survival of the alliance - which i really dont mind, am about like burned out by the game. If a good majority of the alliance prefers this, which i doubt, then it is worth fighting to the end.

b. Play to the music of H? - issue a public apology, appease the community, play defense and rise up to fight another day.

Let me know soon. Before panic and confusion  sets in, I would like to be fair to the rest and let them know where we as an alliance is headed.

Thanks and good luck

 

Az





FW: FW: FW: Confederation with VIC

Sent By:Azreil [VALAR]
Received By:You
Date:6/5/2011 1:59:34 PM


 

> FW: FW: FW: Confederation with VIC
> Received: 05 Jun 2011 13:59
> Original Message:


 

> FW: FW: Confederation
> Received: 05 Jun 2011 13:58
> Original Message:

tigre / _duQ/ darkone,

I am willing to elevate to escalate hostilities with H? depending on VIC response to my proposal to confed with them. I am waiting for sloter reply to my message below.

Az
 

> FW: Confederation
> Received: 05 Jun 2011 13:57
> Original Message:

Hi Sloter,

We are looking for close allies to form a front against the Aesir-PA-Dlords-H? clique trying to dominate Illyriad.

We believe VALAR and INVICTUS share more or less the same stand with regards to the political machinations of this group and it would benefit both if we, together with 0-0,  form a united front to counter them.  I also intend to bring TMOT to our side

I put my trust that this proposal, no matter what you stand might be, shall be kept in the strictest confidence. We have always considered VIC as a friend and a distant ally, you having helped ius and 0-0 in many previous occasions before.

Please let me know if this is something that merits your favor and we could discuss forward.

 

Best regards,

 

Azreil



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Btw Lorre, you should know that with sally forth I wouldn't have needed any reinforcement from Valar, even you had showed a better understanding of Illyriad system, instead of sending your reinforcing troops one by one. Fact is you've lost 10K troops and I've lost 3500.
Still I had some reinf (see below).
-o-0-o-


Mon, Jun 20, 06:07:17
Your inbound military movements
Count Army Activity From Timing Carrying View
625 seige army Reinforcing Tarl's [VALAR]
Town: Gor 27m 9s
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1,346 Army IV Reinforcing jvsj's [VALAR]
Town: Veio 4hr 2m 2s
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1,269 Army II Reinforcing jvsj's [VALAR]
Town: Roma 4hr 33m 22s
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1,099 36's Raider Reinforcing Your
Town: Thirty-Six Stratagems 5hr 13s
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1,000 GoRinNoSho Raiders Reinforcing Your
Town: GoRinNoSho 5hr 5m 51s
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1,448 Adb el-Krim Raiders Reinforcing Your
Town: Abd el-Krim 5hr 34m 8s
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44 Vom Krieg Artillery Defending Quicks' [VALAR]
Town: Quickz 15hr 50m 22s
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312 Maloria's Pikemen Reinforcing Your
Town: Maloria 20hr 23m 17s
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435 West Buckler Wall Reinforcing Derfel Cadharn's [VALAR]
Town: Summer 2d 15hr 6m 15s
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649 Sun Bin Fa Raiders Reinforcing Your
[-501|-49] in Keppen 11d 23hr 50m 54s
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494 Maloria's Raiders Reinforcing Your
[5|-348] in Arran 14d 5hr 15m 17s
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1,594 36's Army Reinforcing Your
[-241|-58] in Tor Carrock 14d 6hr 22m 1s
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3780 Sun Bin Fa Rear Guard Reinforcing Your
[-501|-49] in Keppen 14d 16hr 5m 32s
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Hostile army encampments
<None currently>

Friendly reinforcement encampments
Count Army Activity From Timing Carrying View
842 Bulgai Legion Reinforcing Angrum's [VALAR]
[-720|992] in The Wastes 3d 12hr 55m 13s
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278 Chambri Legion Reinforcing Angrum's [VALAR]
[-669|995] in The Wastes 3d 13hr 42m 54s
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1,300 Angaul Legion Reinforcing Angrum's [VALAR]
[-799|849] in The Wastes 3d 16hr 6m 37s
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31 White Tiger Defense Reinforcing _viceRoy's [VALAR]
[832|635] in Tamarin 3d 17hr 20m 22s
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431 Northwatch Army Reinforcing Cüthalion's [VALAR]
[-665|996] in The Wastes 4d 5hr 44m 7s
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810 XVIII Legion Reinforcing Cüthalion's [VALAR]
[-674|969] in The Wastes 4d 9hr 49m 55s
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1,300 The Rain of Arrows Reinforcing kerenlee's [VALAR]
[178|122] in Middle Kingdom 5d 21hr 41m 21s
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2,112 The Galadhrim Reinforcing Azreil's [VALAR]
[121|-386] in Arran 6d 19hr 41m 21s
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671 Cleopatra's Arrowdancers Reinforcing kerenlee's [VALAR]
[171|122] in Middle Kingdom 6d 21hr 17m 38s
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4,000 Lorre is useless Reinforcing darkone's [VALAR]
[277|-143] in Middle Kingdom 7d 16hr 40m 34s
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4,903 Dont tell us what to do Reinforcing darkone's [VALAR]
[321|-50] in Lucerna 7d 20hr 15m
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1,465 Seek Reinforcing Minwee's [VALAR]
[-418|-19] in Keppen 7d 22hr 41m 1s
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120 7th Cav Reinforcing Hammer's [VALAR]
[134|-397] in Arran 7d 23hr 50m 53s
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99 Blue Band Reinforcing Flow's [VALAR]
[44|-350] in Arran 8d 9hr 51m 45s
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203 Bloodwings Reinforcing Kurdruk's [VALAR]
[10|809] in Wolgast 8d 11hr 16m 29s
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1,589 The Swordsmen of the Red Dawn Reinforcing stefy's [VALAR]
[68|-372] in Arran 8d 14hr 33m 38s
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718 LES2Cavalry Reinforcing PShark's [VALAR]
[-214|-169] in Tor Carrock 8d 15hr 5m 44s
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1,548 The Warharadrim Reinforcing perperas' [VALAR]
[4|-208] in Tor Carrock 9d 13hr 49m 52s
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784 LES2Bows Reinforcing PShark's [VALAR]
[-214|-169] in Tor Carrock 9d 23hr 48m 24s
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868 LES1Spears Reinforcing PShark's [VALAR]
[-209|-171] in Tor Carrock 10d 13hr 30m 23s
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899 warden Reinforcing Minwee's [VALAR]
[-480|-115] in Keppen 10d 21hr 9m 38s
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1,212 The Dyadan Shadow Melders Reinforcing Westy_000's [VALAR]
[178|-465] in Arran 11d 15m 23s
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751 LES1Swords Reinforcing PShark's [VALAR]
[-209|-171] in Tor Carrock 11d 7hr 58m 25s
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1,699 The 2nd Guards Reinforcing Hammer's [VALAR]
[134|-397] in Arran 11d 12hr 50m 24s
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1,500 Magic1D2 Reinforcing Magictronian's [VALAR]
[-57|1] in Middle Kingdom 11d 20hr 7m 18s
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1,641 Guardians Reinforcing good_buddy's [VALAR]
[259|-532] in Arran 11d 23hr 28m 49s
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You 
The Rear Guard 
Mon, Jun 20, 06:07:22
649 Sun Bin Fa Raiders Reinforcing Your
[-501|-49] in Keppen 11d 23hr 49m 39s
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3,147 WizardD1 Reinforcing Magictronian's [VALAR]
[-109|43] in Middle Kingdom 12d 3hr 33m 36s
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219 Gurdjuk's Riders Reinforcing Kurdruk's [VALAR]
[668|826] in Qarosslan 12d 7hr 1m 39s
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1,459 Magic1W2 Reinforcing Magictronian's [VALAR]
[-57|1] in Middle Kingdom 12d 9hr 26m 55s
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2,085 WizardW2 Reinforcing Magictronian's [VALAR]
[-109|43] in Middle Kingdom 13d 10hr 59m 26s
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1,861 W2W2 Reinforcing Magictronian's [VALAR]
[-108|43] in Middle Kingdom 13d 11hr 12m 28s
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681 cav Reinforcing Tarl's [VALAR]
[278|41] in Middle Kingdom 14d 1hr 27m 5s
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1,222 Silver Skittle C Reinforcing keelly's [VALAR]
[-543|-188] in Tor Carrock 14d 1hr 52m 37s
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1,057 T-5 cav Reinforcing Tarl's [VALAR]
[304|64] in Middle Kingdom 14d 3hr 11m 48s
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494 Maloria's Raiders Reinforcing Your
[5|-348] in Arran 14d 5hr 14m 3s
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1,594 36's Army Reinforcing Your
[-241|-58] in Tor Carrock 14d 6hr 20m 47s
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932 Randwulf Riders IV Reinforcing Jasmine_sw's [VALAR]
[80|-367] in Arran 14d 7hr 21m 36s
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262 Sindarin Sereg'til Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR]
[-155|-532] in Azura 14d 11hr 53m 58s
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490 Dirnaith'Nith Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR]
[108|-208] in Middle Kingdom 14d 15hr 19m 51s
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3780 Sun Bin Fa Rear Guard Reinforcing Your
[-501|-49] in Keppen 14d 16hr 4m 17s
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815 Tadui Bregal Thoronath Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR]
[110|-210] in Middle Kingdom 14d 17hr 47m 22s
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Replies:
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 14:19
Quote b. Play to the music of H? - issue a public apology, appease the community, play defense and rise up to fight another day


Looks like that's not longer an option.


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Posted By: Smoking GNU
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 14:56
Oh dear, another pity-fishing excersize by duq. Are we gonna get another chronic troller on the forums like LH?


Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 16:25
GNU i dont think he is making this up, so stop laughing at him and try to listen


Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 16:40
Interesting read....

So you have control of Quicks account, Quick can't get on so you are destroying his troops now?    Or is this a third account of yours?  (You already admitted to another as your alt).    Inquiring minds want to know Star


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CEO, Harmless?
Founder of Toothless?

"Truth never dies."
-HonoredMule



Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 17:18
Am I missing something or is there no new information here?  We already knew _duQ was being reinforced earlier, and that Valar have an "open mind" regarding conflict with us.  The latter is self-evident in their inconsistent position regarding general policies and real actions, inconsistent reactions to _duQ's behavior, avoidance of hard facts in political discussions, and smarmy communications with flattery clearly intended to disarm and appease (while their actual behavior suggests strong disagreement with our own alliance culture).

Beyond that one can easily infer from personalities and past behavior which alliances Valar would think might join with them in making a "big picture" play and that of course they'd be interested in making such a play.  Without confirmation that other alliances are actually partaking in such speculations, the external outlook appears unchanged to me.

It is interesting that Valar think Harmless are "mobilizing their allies," as we've not been in communication with anyone except DLords, and that only with regard to mutual grievances against _duQ.  I dare say Valar will live to fight another day, whatever the general attitudes and sentiments between our alliances.


Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 17:47
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Am I missing something or is there no new information here?  We already knew _duQ was being reinforced earlier, and that Valar have an "open mind" regarding conflict with us.  The latter is self-evident in their inconsistent position regarding general policies and real actions, inconsistent reactions to _duQ's behavior, avoidance of hard facts in political discussions, and smarmy communications with flattery clearly intended to disarm and appease (while their actual behavior suggests strong disagreement with our own alliance culture).

Beyond that one can easily infer from personalities and past behavior which alliances Valar would think might join with them in making a "big picture" play and that of course they'd be interested in making such a play.  Without confirmation that other alliances are actually partaking in such speculations, the external outlook appears unchanged to me.

It is interesting that Valar think Harmless are "mobilizing their allies," as we've not been in communication with anyone except DLords, and that only with regard to mutual grievances against _duQ.  I dare say Valar will live to fight another day, whatever the general attitudes and sentiments between our alliances.

This and the quote from Starry above is just cheapskate drivel.

It's one player against the powerful alliance in Illyriad for goodness sake. Just fight out it and finsh it. Don't demean yourselves with cheap shots and snide analyses


Posted By: Azreil
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 18:31
That one-month old message about considering "open hostilities" with H was made in reaction to reports that I was getting that PA was just being the front of a concerted effort to attack the VALAR, and using the pretext of the berberos affair to launch a TMM kind of crusade against us. 

Remember that during this time, PA was drumbeating war against the VALAR, Smoking gnu was vilifying the VALAR every opportunity he gets on GC, Curse has mobilized for a possible war with VALAR, so we were certainly being forced to seek our own allies.

So this is to clarify that it was made as part of our reactive defensive agenda not a proactive  agenda for evilness and world-domination. 

This much I will confirm that we have sought support from 0-0 and VIC in anticipation of a TMM "holy" crusade against us.  Which proved to be an over-reaction on my part.

That message was made at the onset of the berberos affair, when I was still somehow "behind" _duQ, meaning I tolerated his actions for respecting his individual preferences for offensive play, but not to the extent of destroying berberos being a newbie.  Which eventually proved that I was wrong in giving duQ such support.

And of course, _duQ being the warmonger and most hawkish among us was, in hindsight, getting  support that he always wanted to push for his own brand of aggressive play which goes all the way to enflaming a global war, which is not what I want as leader of the VALAR. 


I already made our position clear to HM that the VALAR is here to represent an alternative gameplay, aggressive in kind, and create a healthy tension for the meta-game. Perhaps it could not be avoided that we will not agree with the culture and ideology of Harmless, for we have our own ideology and we enjoy  our own brand of play and I know we have our own base of support among Illyriad players.  And what will become of this game if everybody subscribes unquestioningly to but one ideology?

But this is not to say that we are here to destroy the game of others.  This is where _duQ started losing my support and the support of the VALAR.  His character was stubborn and intolerant of newbies and it is becoming apparent his blueprint was for a global war. Which is not the VALAR's.

_duQ could post all the "innocent" info he wants to. But I really do not care even for the spies amongst our ranks.

_duQ thought he had me hooked on his strategy, and he was wrong.  That is why he is out of the VALAR.  Just as well as the spies reporting on all that is already history.  ^^ 

Suffice it to say, _duQ has played irresponsibly and lost my trust and did not deserve to stay any longer being with the VALAR.   

The VALAR will definitely fight, that is our brand of play, but as I have told you HM, we shall fight in a responsible manner.  And regarding the use of flattery, its always a tool of statesmanship, and there are many others who does the job so much better than I ever will.




Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 19:26
Azreil, 

"in reaction to reports that I was getting that PA was just being the front of a concerted effort to attack the VALAR, and using the pretext of the berberos affair to launch a TMM kind of crusade against us."

"This much I will confirm that we have sought support from 0-0 and VIC in anticipation of a TMM "holy" crusade against us.  Which proved to be an over-reaction on my part."

I appreciate these comments.  I can honestly say, I never knew who Berberos was before all this started.  I believe the person spreading the rumors that berb was a "front" was the troll aneirin.  

I am not opposed to older players fighting amongst themselves if they are restless - but leave the newer players out of it.  This is where I take my stance.  There is an old saying, "Pick on someone your own size."  I feel as though Lorre and _duQ should have just gone at it, 1 on 1, and gotten it out of their system.


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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR



Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 23:09
I think the hidden message here is everyone wants to see a big war,(most don't want to be involved but rather watch),so going by Sunstorm's advice "pick on someone your own size",H? declare war on everyone and appease the community,it is your responsibility,claim the whole map as H territory and all living in it's realms as servants to H.


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 23:32
We're currently pushing for Harmless (?) vs Thunderkitty.

1GC to the winner.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000897/" rel="nofollow - Randolph Duke : Money isn't everything, Mortimer.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000747/" rel="nofollow - Mortimer Duke : Oh, grow up.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000897/" rel="nofollow - Randolph Duke : Mother always said you were greedy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000747/" rel="nofollow - Mortimer Duke : She meant it as a compliment.


Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 23:46
One thing remains consistent throughout, and that is that Valar's approach, while differing significantly from that of Harmless, does merit respect.  Harmless takes positions and standards based on principle first, strategy second, but that is not to say we see Valar as an unprincipled alliance.

Some may call the ejection of _duQ as a scapegoat action, but I follow the adage that one should not attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence--or put another way, Occam's Razor: all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one.

It is simpler to believe that Valar gave _duQ freedom and then regretted doing so, than to believe they allowed their reputation to be questioned, and used him as a scapegoat to cleanse themselves, without having accomplished anything as an alliance.  After all, what would be the point of making waves and burning _duQ if there's no change for Valar other than adding a blemish to their reputation and losing a strong player?

On the other hand, _duQ's "strategy," was full of holes and naive projections of how people would react to him--and seems not to even have been shared with others in Valar.  Regarding the conflict with Harmless, I got the impression that he blamed Anjire for not taking the bait and falling into _duQ's strategy by attacking a newbie (who'd have thought we might actually take our own standards seriously).  Wacko  No, Anjire rendered blame where blame is due, and engaged in due process to resolve the situation.  I also render blame where blame is due.


Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 00:45
Think 1 word can sum the whole situation up,boredom,and not just from _duQ's account,you can argue the merit of the strategies and what not,but boredom is the overiding factor.Factions going live will at least initially solve a bit of this but ultimately pvp battles are what keeps people interested.The players/alliances at the top will hold on to their position any way they see fit and the underlings either continue to fight as separate entities against each other thus contributing to the top half's power,or they combine as 1 force and challenge it.Then there is also the prospect of more people leaving the game over time and you will get a natural shift in power,how many of us are still around by then remains to be seen.


Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 01:13
Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Think 1 word can sum the whole situation up,boredom,and not just from _duQ's account,you can argue the merit of the strategies and what not,but boredom is the overiding(sic) factor.
I think you're projecting.


Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 01:24
Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

...claim the whole map as H territory and all living in it's realms as servants to H.
Mr Damage, I said it before in another post - Often when people don't like others being in power, it is because they secretly desire that power for themselves.  

I don't know why you seem opposed to the alliance H?  (and I am being serious).  I have seen nothing to make me worry for my game-play.  And finally, what power do you see them as having? This isn't a realm of lords and vassals...  we do not pay tribute to them and live in fear (at least I don't...).  I am very confused by your comments regarding the alliance of H?


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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR



Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 01:36
Wait....
 
Mr. Damage = Aneirin?
 
Evil Smile


Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 02:30

Sunstorm I believe that MR D's last comment wasn't of the "H? are evil, baby eating, bullies" variety, but rather a general comment that the game is rather stagnant and perhaps if H? attacked on of the top 10 it would be good for the game.

The point is if anyone did have a problem with H? the point has come where most of the alliances in the top 10 could do something about it.
 
For the record I'm not one of the players who believe that H? are perfect, but dispite being the largest alliance i certainly no longer believe that their every action should be called into question as bullying.


Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 02:44
Sorry SunStorm,my post about H claiming the whole map was in jest and Denna thanks for the comparison but I hope I have not been that annoying,apologies if I have.SunStorm,I agree with you,H play the game as fairly as anyone else here,I have no issue with them,I am just putting up my "projections" as HM says,no-one need agree and all are welcome to disagree.
 
P.s Aneirin,some of your posts I do find annoying but also you bring some good ideas to the table so please continue. Now i might stay off the forums for a while so as to avoid being pidgeon holed as a certain type of player,good gaming all.


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 03:07
Originally posted by Mr Damage Mr Damage wrote:

Sorry SunStorm,my post about H claiming the whole map was in jest and Denna thanks for the comparison but I hope I have not been that annoying,apologies if I have.SunStorm,I agree with you,H play the game as fairly as anyone else here,I have no issue with them,I am just putting up my "projections" as HM says,no-one need agree and all are welcome to disagree.
 
P.s Aneirin,some of your posts I do find annoying but also you bring some good ideas to the table so please continue. Now i might stay off the forums for a while so as to avoid being pidgeon holed as a certain type of player,good gaming all.


No one at H? took your remarks as anything but for what they were intended: to illustrate one's boredom at the relatively peaceful state of the game and the (perceived) disparity of 'power'.

You've no need to abstain from commenting as personally I enjoy hearing all players opinions (those expressed in a genuine nature).


Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 03:35
Heh, if people want a war game, one that is all war, war, war! then they should go to those games, instead of coming here.

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http://live.xbox.com/en-US/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=G0DsDestroyer" rel="nofollow - Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin


Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 03:45
I don't think the majority of players want war war war, but something like diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, war would be much better rather than the current diplomacy X 10^50 and then perhaps war.
At the moment the game seems to be like playing poker with no blind and only the option to go all in.


Posted By: HATHALDIR
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 04:59
I truly think Mr Damage is venting not so much at H? but more because his beloved Hawthorn  ( the new H?) who  were smashed by Collingwood! ;)



Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 05:02
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

One thing remains consistent throughout, and that is that Valar's approach, while differing significantly from that of Harmless, does merit respect.  Harmless takes positions and standards based on principle first, strategy second, but that is not to say we see Valar as an unprincipled alliance.


Quiet frankly some the posts of players like KillerPoodle, Llyron of Jaensch, Kumomoto on the forum and especially GC reveal the fallacy of the above statement. The fact is Harmless? is  a win at all costs alliance. It does not put players first at all. It subordinates them to success. domination and humiliation of what it percieves as its inferiors. THAT IS THE CULTURE OF HARMLESS? 

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Some may call the ejection of _duQ as a scapegoat action, but I follow the adage that one should not attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence--or put another way, Occam's Razor: all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one.

Hypocricy. The only mistake _duQ made was not being a member of H? Had he been a member of your alliance Berberos would have been labelled a troll and Lorre & co would be wetting their pants to try and claim Kudos for attacking him

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

It is simpler to believe that Valar gave _duQ freedom and then regretted doing so, than to believe they allowed their reputation to be questioned, and used him as a scapegoat to cleanse themselves, without having accomplished anything as an alliance.  After all, what would be the point of making waves and burning _duQ if there's no change for Valar other than adding a blemish to their reputation and losing a strong player?


Typical HM spin. We all know that Lorre and Co took the this simple conflict between _duQ and berberos and almost bored GC to death with weeks of peurile whining and hyped up idiocy. Egged on by Harmless? goons  ie Kumo, Anjire, Lawn of Stench as well Dlord member Smoking Mwahaahaa GNU. The whole thing was an attempt to take the smaller issue and evaggerate it out of all proportion so that it could used it to demonise Valar.  What a pantomime it was. Most people were sick and tired of it.

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

  Wacko  No, Anjire rendered blame where blame is due, and engaged in due process to resolve the situation.  I also render blame where blame is due.

What can I say? This is risible. Not even worthy of comment.

The fact of the matter is that Honored Mule is attempting to hide the truth THEY don't want this situation resolved at all and if you read HM's earlier post you will see that they are not satisfied that the accounts of -duQ and Quicks have been expelled from Valar. Going back to my point about the culture that exists in the H? leadership  - they want more and more ...from Valar. They want to crush them. That is Harmless? and that is what this whole sorry affair has been about. This is War is now.  A diplomatic type  metagame one, but war nonetheless with real casualties...AND Harmless? are prosecuting it.




Posted By: Sister Nikki
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 05:13
Cool
       After some months playing I find the game far beyond "war" games like Travian or other similar games. Yes it has battles, wars, fights but not as a goal. It has depth moving ahead. It isn't just a server life period (ex. 9 months) where you make your armies, doing some diplomacy chasing all the newbies and participate on a race for the total victory of the server and again will play the same story next period.
        It has changes and new challenges, you play and you become part of it's history. How history will judge
you, depends only on you. The game just growing like wine getting older and better. The devs making a great work with  supplements which make the puzzle more complete, more interesting and better designed.
That is something you can't find easily as most of the games follow the same tactic, - start- diplomacy -war -end.

So perhaps people that like or hope in just -start- diplomacy- big war maybe are disappointed but personally I believe they lose the sense of the game in their desire for a speedy war "clean-up" and finish the game until the new period. It is like a journey in which some rushing to reach the end of it and missing everything during the way.

Beer so cheers to the Journey Big smile


Posted By: Anjire
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 05:17
-------------Event 6--------------------------------------------
No further communication, I look for the settler from time to time without success in an attempt to gauge its arrival. When I do find them the settler is within 3 squares of the space in question.  There is also an army unit moving toward the square coming from the direction of _duQ’s city.  Any additional forces sent from my city would not arrive in time.
Caravan from _viceRoy lands and bounces (I wonder who’s alt that is...)
System http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/Communication/ReadMail/13420697/0/1/-1/1/1/4" rel="nofollow - 27 Jun 2011 19:50


His army unit arrives vs the lone yeoman
System http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/Communication/ReadMail/13420895/0/1/-1/1/1/4" rel="nofollow - http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/Communication/ReadMail/13420895/0/1/-1/1/1/4" rel="nofollow - http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/Communication/ReadMail/13420895/0/1/-1/1/1/4" rel="nofollow - 27 Jun 2011 19:55

Attackers:

Unit:

Quantity:

Casualties:

Survivors:

Commander: ShaliMarshal1Damaged for 3, 97 health remains.
Troops:Wardancers40139

Defenders:

Unit:

Quantity:

Casualties:

Survivors:

Commander: Badaboom IIIRunerider1Damaged for 100, 0 health remains.
Troops:Yeomen110


Hmm, didn’t notice that I took out a Wardancer.  

Message arrives from marlenus:
marlenus [VALAR] http://uk1.illyriad.co.uk/#/Communication/ReadMail/13421328/1" rel="nofollow - 27 Jun 2011 20:06

Sent By:marlenus [VALAR]
Received By:You
Date:6/27/2011 8:06:38 PM

> FW: Anjire
> Received: 27 Jun 2011 18:52
> Original Message:
Please, 1hr 3min or so (19:55 servtime) tell Anjire for me that I'm terribly clumsy for having attacked his troops at -766|-353, my bad, and that I will compensate the loss of his troop /commander as sson as he compensates for the loss of the settler he's going to destroy.
I'm off now



Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 06:12
Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

The fact of the matter is that Honored Mule is attempting to hide the truth THEY don't want this situation resolved at all and if you read HM's earlier post you will see that they are not satisfied that the accounts of -duQ and Quicks have been expelled from Valar. Going back to my point about the culture that exists in the H? leadership  - they want more and more ...from Valar. They want to crush them. That is Harmless? and that is what this whole sorry affair has been about. This is War is now.  A diplomatic type  metagame one, but war nonetheless with real casualties...AND Harmless? are prosecuting it.


Christ I have been busy. 

Poor little Aneirin, bitten by the green eyed monster again. You just wished you played with the big boys eh bud.... Unhappy

PS Collingwood suck.




Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 07:14
I promise I shall only break my forum exile this one time,HATH love your style and its your fault I posted again.Lol. I did tell you Hawthorn were not contenders this year,very funny though HATH,very funny.Lol


Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 13:07
Mr. Damage, the comparison was a joke on my part, only because you mentioned H? so much. Please don't exile yourself because of me.
 
I think we all can agree that you're not even CLOSE to being as "refreshingly hostile" as Aneirin (I think I may have to get rid of the word "refreshingly" soon, though) Tongue


Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 13:22
I have much respect for Az's post earlier. I reckon he's dealt with a rather difficult situation with a cool head.

Someone mentioned something about the future of  VALAR? Well from what I've seen so far I have no doubt that these guys will continue to thrive and partake as valuable members of the wider Illy community.


Posted By: (EOM) Harry
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 19:08
Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

One thing remains consistent throughout, and that is that Valar's approach, while differing significantly from that of Harmless, does merit respect.  Harmless takes positions and standards based on principle first, strategy second, but that is not to say we see Valar as an unprincipled alliance.


Quiet frankly some the posts of players like KillerPoodle, Llyron of Jaensch, Kumomoto on the forum and especially GC reveal the fallacy of the above statement. The fact is Harmless? is  a win at all costs alliance. It does not put players first at all. It subordinates them to success. domination and humiliation of what it percieves as its inferiors. THAT IS THE CULTURE OF HARMLESS? 

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Some may call the ejection of _duQ as a scapegoat action, but I follow the adage that one should not attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence--or put another way, Occam's Razor: all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one.

Hypocricy. The only mistake _duQ made was not being a member of H? Had he been a member of your alliance Berberos would have been labelled a troll and Lorre & co would be wetting their pants to try and claim Kudos for attacking him

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

It is simpler to believe that Valar gave _duQ freedom and then regretted doing so, than to believe they allowed their reputation to be questioned, and used him as a scapegoat to cleanse themselves, without having accomplished anything as an alliance.  After all, what would be the point of making waves and burning _duQ if there's no change for Valar other than adding a blemish to their reputation and losing a strong player?


Typical HM spin. We all know that Lorre and Co took the this simple conflict between _duQ and berberos and almost bored GC to death with weeks of peurile whining and hyped up idiocy. Egged on by Harmless? goons  ie Kumo, Anjire, Lawn of Stench as well Dlord member Smoking Mwahaahaa GNU. The whole thing was an attempt to take the smaller issue and evaggerate it out of all proportion so that it could used it to demonise Valar.  What a pantomime it was. Most people were sick and tired of it.

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

  Wacko  No, Anjire rendered blame where blame is due, and engaged in due process to resolve the situation.  I also render blame where blame is due.

What can I say? This is risible. Not even worthy of comment.

The fact of the matter is that Honored Mule is attempting to hide the truth THEY don't want this situation resolved at all and if you read HM's earlier post you will see that they are not satisfied that the accounts of -duQ and Quicks have been expelled from Valar. Going back to my point about the culture that exists in the H? leadership  - they want more and more ...from Valar. They want to crush them. That is Harmless? and that is what this whole sorry affair has been about. This is War is now.  A diplomatic type  metagame one, but war nonetheless with real casualties...AND Harmless? are prosecuting it.


I lolled quite a bit through all of this, One can i point out that you have a fail of analyzing thread comments as you pick out a massive section of writing then don't even address, counter or change the readers view, all you do is bring up a completely unfathomable conspiracy theory  about H? being completely behind it and don't even back up the points you make, you just state an opinion (because an opinion without a source or evidence is always an opinion) and then state it again and again, hoping that someone is silly enough to read your points and not go "WUT?"

You then make a continued and empasised point that WE ALL have the same views as you and that we don't care essentialy and are bored of it. This made me cringe and chuckle for two reasons:

1) you have the ordasity to include the entire illyriad community in a statement which has no evidence of these people believing the same.

2) Most of us actually care about what happens as all the people involved are very prominent players you numpty, of course we care.

Then you drag H? into the argument, who ha much better things to do with their time than refuting your'e insane claims AND then not only carry on the stupidity but then say that H? have no right to be involved when YOU BROUGHT THEM IN! are you stupid or just here to annoy the crap out of everyone (i suppose the latter is in effect here) 

Finnaly what made me laugh most of all is that you say " Herpy Dep i'm not going to answer this part of the comment because it's stupid herpy derp"

Then you answer it, You are mental Sir.

Please, for me and for everyone else who love to watch the forums with interest and appreciation.

Leave or start giving decent points to contribute to said arguments.

Kthxbye
 


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Fool's watch the land when the problem is in the heart.


Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 23:27
Mr. Damage - I am very sorry for reading too much into your comments.  I do apologize.  Please don't remain quiet on account of that.

*sigh*  I'm gone for a day, and the trolls come out to play...
Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

The only mistake _duQ made was not being a member of H? Had he been a member of your alliance Berberos would have been labelled a troll and Lorre & co would be wetting their pants to try and claim Kudos for attacking him
Harry pretty much addressed the rest, but I would like to comment on this.  Had it been a member of H? - It wouldn't have mattered.  The stance I (and Lorre) took on this issue was a matter of principle.  ...but what would a troll know of morals?...


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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR



Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2011 at 23:59
For the record, _Duq's actions would not have been tolerated in H?     Our members are fighters but they do not, nor are they allowed, to attack or coerce new players.     I couldn't begin to list the help they have quietly given to new players in this game or the support and protection they have given to Toothless, a new player training alliance.   


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CEO, Harmless?
Founder of Toothless?

"Truth never dies."
-HonoredMule



Posted By: Vecinu86
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 03:11
Great post... Full of meaning!


Posted By: Vecinu86
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 03:13
Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

I have much respect for Az's post earlier. I reckon he's dealt with a rather difficult situation with a cool head.

Someone mentioned something about the future of  VALAR? Well from what I've seen so far I have no doubt that these guys will continue to thrive and partake as valuable members of the wider Illy community.

Great post... Full of meaning!


Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 05:45
Originally posted by (EOM) Harry (EOM) Harry wrote:

  You are mental Sir.

O really? Well you know what they say "It takes one to know one".


Posted By: (EOM) Harry
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 13:03
Wow, thats not even slightly childish ;)

And yes, yes i am mental.
I am just a madman with a Laptop


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Fool's watch the land when the problem is in the heart.


Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 23:07
Originally posted by (EOM) Harry (EOM) Harry wrote:

I am just a madman with a Laptop
Arent we all madmen? starts singing song, I'm a smoker,I'm a joker, I am a midnight toker

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�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien


Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 03:25
Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

Originally posted by (EOM) Harry (EOM) Harry wrote:

  You are mental Sir.

O really? Well you know what they say "It takes one to know one".


Wacko
Wacko

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http://live.xbox.com/en-US/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=G0DsDestroyer" rel="nofollow - Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin



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