Retired Thread - Lorre vs VALAR DDD
Printed From: Illyriad
Category: The World
Forum Name: Elgea
Forum Description: For everything related to the Elgea Continent
URL: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=1972
Printed Date: 17 Apr 2022 at 08:19
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Retired Thread - Lorre vs VALAR DDD
Posted By: SunStorm
Subject: Retired Thread - Lorre vs VALAR DDD
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 05:32
|
This is the final account - one month and a half later: Lorre: Troops are being rebuilt after an exhausting battle. {P A}: No attacks were made on Lorre's Alliance (to my knowledge). [VALAR]: No attacks (to my knowledge) were ever launched by Valar as a result of this whole ordeal. _duQ: All attacks (sent by him) have ceased. Rumors are circulating that he is destroying his own cities. Berberos: Lorre and Confederates have been aiding Berberos in fortifying his city. His population is on the rise again! He is able to play without having to worry about the next siege. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The content in this thread is being saved for the sake of keeping a record of what took place... Global Chat 6/6/2011 (The main characters are in color so its easier to read - My notes are in red) <Azreil> <Lorre> <darkone> <berberos> Begin! [19:58]<Lorre> okay valar officially eclared war to me by attacking my forcs [19:59]<Lorre> goodluck to them [19:59]<Lorre> after threatinging my members it was a matter of time <--(VALAR really did threaten PA members...) [20:00]<Nokigon> Lorre, are you sure you want to do this? [20:00]<Nokigon> hate to say it... [20:00]<Nokigon> But VALAR are a bit bigger than you... [20:00]<Lorre> i really have no choiuce do i? [20:00]<Lorre> do i have to watch a new player getting bullied? [20:00]<Nokigon> No. [20:01]<Lorre> do i have to stand for attacks on my forces? [20:01]<Nokigon> Does Azreil know? [20:01]<Lorre> azreil nows more then enough [20:01]<Lorre> if he is to stubborn to reply he choose war [20:02]<Lorre> but unfortunatly valar wont even talk to me [20:02]<Lorre> so yea [20:03]< ---------- > please give it a little time [20:03]< ---------- > they are on borrowed time as it is!! [20:03]<Lorre> if they read it and only treply a day mlater its disrespect! [20:04]*Clavius Vile expects a thread on the forums to be dedicated to this. <--(Psychic?) [20:04]<Lorre> PA wont get involved in this war [20:04]<Lorre> lorre however will [20:06]<Lorre> i play for fun and bullies are no fun [20:06]< ---------- > ya gonna drag PA in though [20:06]<Lorre> well if it was only duq i would be able to let it go [20:07]<Lorre> but there has beeen another member involved [20:07]<Lorre> so [20:07]<Stifle> which valor is attacking your pa lorre? [20:07]<Lorre> it is valar who is rotten(well most members) [20:08]< ---------- > okay.. so let DuQ and lorre battle it out... [20:08]< ---------- > and keep alliances out of it [20:08]<Lorre> its not only duq [20:08]<Lorre> <.< [20:11]<Azreil> nobody ever believe Lorre, you get yourself into this. you are trying to be the hero right? your style is passe ... dont ask for war which would hurt your small members you arrogant .... we already said we are not bullying berberos and was already at a resolution but you keep trying to drag the whole VALAR into your heroics! as < ---------- > said battle it out with duQ .... [20:11]<Lorre> eventho i asked several alliance leaders to gather info to open peacetalks [20:11]<Lorre> duq threw it away [20:12]< ---------- > hello Az.. good to see valar in global.. not sure I want to be quoted though <--(It is for this reason that the name appears as < ---------- > / Not sure if they meant above or in general... If they wish, I can put the name back in.) [20:12]<Lorre> passe or not bullies belong in public! [20:13]<Lorre> are you gonna punish duq azreil? [20:13]<Azreil> crying bully is old school... learn real diplomacy ... grow up lorre... bye [20:13]<Lorre> or are u gonna look the other way once again? [20:13]<Azreil> grow up [20:14]<Lorre> bullies shouldnt be tolerated even if it are your own members azreil [20:14]*Klandor grumbles about OTHER VALAR members who pick on smaller players, too. [20:14]<Lorre> im not the only one azreil [20:14]<Lorre> do u really want this to go out of control? [20:14]<Lorre> if so continue please [20:15]< ---------- > some alliances prefer open chat and foreign affairs to be public [20:15]<Kurfist> Perhaps this should go to IGM's instead of global chat. [20:15]<Lorre> igms are to easelyl alterd [20:15]<(EOM) Harry> Lorre, i know you mean right but you are picking a fight here with a group of pretty big players, it could mean the end for a lot of big players including yourself, it would be a big hit for illyriad as a whole, you sure 100 % you want this to go down? [20:16]<Lorre> aslong they are bullies its reason enoug [20:16]<Lorre> unless azreil promises he will punish duq and expell him from the alliance [20:17]<Kilotov> lorre, are you considering the safety of your men as you shout such reckless statements? [20:17]<Lorre> what men kilotov? [20:17]<Lorre> im not in an alliance [20:17]<Kilotov> i mean dont poke the sleeping dragon [20:18]<(EOM) Harry> Lorre you havent left PA? [20:18]<Lorre> azreil u implied ud never allow me to attack duq cuz valar would interfere [20:18]<Lorre> then tell me what i have to do [20:19]<Stifle> so is pa done for? [20:19]<Lorre> destroy my towsn if you like what will it prove you? [20:19]<Lorre> azreil is reading [20:20]<(EOM) Harry> ah okay Lorre if you would, could i be a third party go between here... if i could igm Valar and see if i can ammend this withough serious incident? [20:20]<Lorre> no [20:20]<Lorre> this belongs on global not on mail where it can be frakking alterd! [20:21]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Personnaly I don't see an issue if Lorre chooses to make any issue concerning himself or his alliance public. It is his right to do so. [20:21]<Lorre> dunno azreil if u saw the message send to berberos? [20:21]<Lorre> did u frakking see it!?! [20:21]<Stifle> i love that word frakking. lol [20:21]<Lorre> there was no diplomacy no choice whatsoever [20:22]<Lorre> it was clear out bullieing and still u choose to protect duq [20:22]<Lorre> and not only duq is like that [20:22]<Lorre> u want me not to use the name of valar then kick em so they arent part of valar [20:22]<(EOM) Harry> Please Lorre just let me sort this? [20:23]<Lorre> if duq gets kicked and sieged otheriwise this never will be settleld [20:23]<darkone> I would say 3 large players demanding 1 player is kicked from an alliance so that they can feel safe in ganging up on him is bullying.... So Lorre, when are you going to do the right thing and kill yourself <--(that last comment was uncalled for!) [20:23]<Lorre> i have put to much effort in this game helping newbs and protecting them to let an alliance like that to ruin it [20:24]<Azreil> lorre i will for one last time engage you in a reasonable discussion, dark let me get this through first [20:24]<Lorre> darkone what is a 30k pop player attacking a 500 pop player then? [20:24]<(EOM) Harry> right everyone shut up and just watch, no interfering! [20:24]<Azreil> lorre why are you trying to protect newbies? <--(How is this reasonable discussion - he is trying to side-step the issue...) [20:25]<Lorre> cuz i dun want this game to be evony or tribalwars or what the hell is out there [20:25]<Azreil> am not saying i dont want to protect newbies,just want to ask you your motiveations [20:26]<Lorre> and that has to count for everyone not only the lower alliances it has to count for everyone [20:26]<Lorre> lately this game has been evolving that way 1 cuz of the newbie increase 2 cuz many of the bigger players feel its the time to do so [20:26]<Azreil> but this is definitely not evony or whatver, this is Illyriad ! and what is the other elelment of the game aside from newbies ? ..... [20:27]<Azreil> its the oldbies .... [20:27]<Lorre> azreil this game has been loosing the old players 1 by 1 [20:27]<Azreil> so we have to strike the balance bet the newbies and the oldbies [20:27]<Lorre> havent u noticed [20:27]<Azreil> so why are oldbies leaving ? havent you asked that question ? [20:28]<Lorre> there is no balance if u attack a guy cuz he is 20 squares from you its stupid [20:28]<Lorre> still ur protecting that member [20:28]<(EOM) Harry> Can i just get in my perspective and you guys can say right or wrong accordingly.... Lorre is upset that a player is attacking a sizably smaller player due to an unknown reason, this has then turned to Lorre wishing retribution so wants to attack said player for the original "ill doing" (put in speech marks not my opinion) this has then alerted Valar to a possible attack on one of its members so that they have an obligation to protect this alliance member, am i right? [20:29]<Lorre> and darone u have lost all respect i had for you i thaught u were a decent player now i see u would do anything just to stay in the game [20:29]<Azreil> here you have an oldbie playing the game for more than 1 year already, spending his money ... he is not today playing for the simple reason oif "BULLYING"... that is being too SIMPLISTIC! [20:29]< ---------- > Az.. WE have had our differences wih you guys [20:29]<darkone> How is this to stay in the game... do you have mental issues lorre? [20:30]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Az: What right does Duq or Valar have to siege the newb. Its a simple question really that still hasnt been answered. <--(AMEN!) [20:30]<(EOM) Harry> That is really the question, what is the original reason fo this attack, if its a decent reason, then why not leave it at that? [20:30]<Lorre> darkone are you an idiot you cant decide whats right and what wrong? would u let a guy beat up someone else in rll without trying to stop it? [20:30]<Azreil> i hope you see that balance and again we the valar is not about bullying newbies. we have developed so many newbies just as all of you .. the berberos incident is isolated and should have been resolved by now if not for lorre ... . <--(by resolved, perhaps he means that berberos should have been razed by now...) [20:31]<Lorre> it isnt isolated azreil [20:31]<darkone> Depends on the guys lorre [20:31]<Lorre> it isnt the first newbie he forces azreil [20:31]<Lorre> its the third one [20:31]<Lorre> and for the third time u are protecting a bullie [20:31]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> I admire that youve assisted newbies Az. That still doesnt justify sieging one though.... [20:32]<Lorre> then darkone what sense of justice do u have [20:32]< ---------- > well I can speak for a baby alliance! .. WE have been feeling threatened by valar since before the TMM war... [20:32]<Xinvoker> How is big players attacking newbies "striving for balance"? [20:32]< ---------- > DO WE have to continue to be quiet now? [20:32]<Lorre> what if the cops acted yea u got robbed and we will act on it depending what guys it are [20:32]<darkone> what sense do you have? you're the one hear demanding everyone stand back so that you can fight a smaller guy <--(This is bad circular reasoning... he says Lorre is unfair for wanting to attack a smaller player... Lorre says that player deserves it for attacking a smaller player... and the circle continues from there to infinity and beyond....) [20:33]<darkone> LOL you think your the illyriad police [20:33]<darkone> fascist [20:33]<Lorre> im not fighting a smaller guy the guy feels big enough to attak newbies cuz he is protected [20:33]<Lorre> will he feel the same when he is threatend [20:33]<Lorre> darkone ur twistting my words [20:34]<darkone> not at all [20:34]< ---------- > at least your words are heard lorre [20:34]<Lorre> and i thaught u were a decent guy i helpe you i send res to you i protected you [20:34]<Lorre> and now ur turning around [20:34]<darkone> When? [20:35]<Lorre> i did on several occasions u frakking idiot [20:35]<Lorre> if you can call me a facist i can call you an idiot [20:35]<darkone> No you didn't [20:35]<Lorre> i did [20:35]<Lorre> a coward in a game a coward in real life arent you [20:35]<darkone> You sent me nothing lorre [20:35]<berberos> please, can I say a word? [20:35]<darkone> Im no coward lorre [20:35]<Lorre> you are darkone [20:36]<Lorre> sure berberos [20:36]<darkone> your the one asking for clearance so you can attack someone [20:36]<berberos> I didn't want this to become such an incident [20:36]<darkone> its pathetic [20:36]<Aneirin> Speak berberos <--(OMG! Something smart for a change!) [20:36]<Lorre> XD darkone u clearly havent gotten the point [20:36]<Stifle> i thought you were wiped out? [20:36]<darkone> berb it could have been sorted very easily if these idiots did not get involved <--(Again, by sorted out he means that berberos would have been razed if it wasn't for those meddling children!) [20:36]<berberos> if anyone is in doupt of the cause I can explain it to him by forwarding the first mail from duq [20:36]< ---------- > OMFG.. you men are such jerks!! women would have sorted it by now!!!! [20:37]<Lorre> darkone ur a coward [20:37]<Lorre> so is valar for protecting a bullie no less [20:37]<darkone> how am i the coward lorre [20:37]<Lorre> i do what i have to do [20:37]<Lorre> u hiide [20:37]<darkone> for standing up for an ally? [20:37]<darkone> how do i hide [20:37]<Lorre> ur standing up for a bullie! [20:37]<darkone> you r being a bully [20:37]<Lorre> u hide behind strong allies [20:38]<Lorre> i left my alliance i do not expect help from the outside [20:38]<Lorre> i help newbies [20:38]<Lorre> i protect em from guys like you [20:38]<darkone> No i dont, who has killed the most in my alliance? [20:38]<Lorre> u never have sent 1 solier to a newbie to protect [20:38]<darkone> its you that always needs backup lorre [20:38]<darkone> you dont have the courage to act alone <--(LMFAO!!!) [20:38]<Lorre> i need backup then why am i without alliance? [20:38]<(EOM) Harry> he's acting alone now lol <--(Sshhh, aparently VALAR hasnt gotten the memo) [20:38]<Lorre> then why am i supporting berberos from duq [20:39]<Lorre> frakking idiot [20:39]<Lorre> darkone get out of valar [20:39]<darkone> with createure and gods, as i sadi you dont have the courage to act alone [20:39]<Lorre> show what you are [20:39]<Lorre> or keep hidign [20:39]<berberos> actually I thanks him very much for his help. otherwise I would have been killed [20:40]<berberos> but I want it to end now [20:40]<Lorre> i stoped more then 1k of duqs forces [20:40]<Lorre> now tell mehe isnt a bullie [20:40]<darkone> why should i leave my alliance because you are to cowardish to back up your pathetic threats <--(Wait for it...it gets good...) [20:40]<Lorre> so u cant get reinforced darkone [20:40]<(EOM) Harry> has any armys or diplos been sent yet? [20:40]<Stifle> how is stopping 1 k of troops not backing anything up? lol [20:40]<Lorre> ur an idiot darkone u really are [20:40]<Lorre> dont you see what you are protecting [20:41]<darkone> arrr poor lorre, cant stand up so just barks on GC.. well I am off am tired of this pathetic whimpering [20:41]<Lorre> well then darkone attack me [20:42]<Lorre> see what it brings you [20:42]<Lorre> darkone the coward ^^ [20:43]<Lorre> siege me i dont care but show u dare to act without ur alliance [20:43]<Lorre> i dunno what pop u are but i donct care if u dare to forget my help [20:44]<Lorre> if you dare to forget what i didi for you [20:44]<Lorre> if you dare to insult me [20:44]<Lorre> then attack [20:44]<Lorre> proof you are not a coward [20:45]<darkone> Lorre on a final note, I'm not the one threatening to attack, practice what you preach coward.... [20:45]<Lorre> oh frak it [20:46]<Lorre> there you goo darkone [20:47]<Lorre> 13days 2 hours <--(Bam! He didn't expect that!) [20:47]<Lorre> here is your proof [20:48]<Lorre> now where is yours <--(I love this part.) [20:48]<Kurfist> Lorre you attacked him? [20:48]<Lorre> duq <--(Lorre attacked _duQ - if _duQ recieves aide at this point, other alliances will step in to aide Lorre... We will see how this goes) [20:50]<Kilotov> he got guts alright. [20:50]<Kilotov> and heart...but this is a time for the cunning, not the reckless [20:50]<Lorre> darkone where is your proof [20:50]<Lorre> coward! [20:51]<Lorre> kilotov apparently u need to be reckless to get a point across to diiot [20:52]<Kilotov> well what is the point in having your troops die, endanger your ally mates and risking tho lose a lot of pop? [20:52]<Lorre> what allies kilotov? [20:52]<Lorre> im only risking myself <--(This is what is so heroic and sad at the same time.) [20:52]<Kilotov> you...gave PA up? [20:52]<Kilotov> but... this ws not necessary... [20:53]<Lorre> i did if thats what it takes i will do it without blinking [20:53]<Lorre> so grats azreil darkone u got a player of 50k pop to bullie now [20:53]<Lorre> go ahead [20:54]<Lorre> no im tired of the incresed bullieng here [20:55]<Lorre> if this is the game its becoming i no longer want to be a part of it [20:55]<Lorre> in a few months this is evony [20:57]<berberos> from the point of a rank 2190 player how do I rise above a rank 75 player if I am attacked? [20:57]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Ber: you request help and likely (as it was in your case) given. [20:59]<Xinvoker> To be honest, the game shouldn't really be farmville-peaceful. But bullying is another issue [21:00]<Lorre> darkone i am alone no allies noone gonna support me [21:00]<Lorre> what are you wating for [21:01]<Lorre> u trying to discredit me hasnt worked <--(LoL) [21:07]<Lorre> noone will support me am alone doesnt matter who would help and who not [21:07]<Lorre> duq is gonna pay even if i have to take on valar alone [21:09]<Lorre> i cant attack azreil i like him to much [21:10]<Lorre> darkone no matter what he says he still ma little guy cant hit him either without being hit first [21:10]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Lorre: Createaure has already wiped out _Duq's sieging army if that is consolation for you. [21:11]<Lorre> i know he did llyorn and still im defending berberos from attacks [21:11]<Lorre> not only from duq [21:11]<Lorre> proab [21:11]<Lorre> probably his alt aswell [21:11]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> So berberos is still being attacked? By whom? [21:11]<Azreil> so lorre dont overreact..... so what do you want now with your drama? , that all the valar quit the game so that you could prove your point about protecting newbies? thiat is the fallacy of your moraliistic argument..... hey we are not here to destroy the game,,,, because we love it.... we are here to play it.... such incidents as the berberos should be handled case to case and not simplified or genralized into "this game is going to be evony " ... you have it twisted man [21:12]<Lorre> azreil then sanction duq <--(Was that the word you meant to use? or are you asking him to openly sanction _duQ and show where he stands...) [21:12]<Lorre> then teach him its not allright to attack newbies [21:14]<Lorre> but i see you are not gonna do that now will you? [21:15]<Lorre> berberos i would have done it for any other newb and i will admit im not the best guy for diplomacy [21:15]<Lorre> but im the last to not try and stop a bullie [21:16]<Lorre> System Victorious defense by berberos's forces at Berbtown under attack by _duQ's forces from Thirty-Six Stratagems 06 jun 2011 19:12 System Victorious defense by berberos's forces at Berbtown under attack by marlenus's forces from Mithgar 06 jun 2011 15:33 System Victorious defense by berberos's forces at Berbtown under attack by _duQ's forces from Infanterie Greift An 06 jun 2011 15:02 System Reinforcements from Lorre have arrived at Berbtown 06 jun 2011 12:58 System Your reinforcements for Berbtown (berberos) have arrived 06 jun 2011 12:58 System Victorious defense by berberos's forces at Berbtown under attack by _duQ's forces from Sun Bing Fa 06 jun 2011 11:30 System Your reinforcements for Berbtown (berberos) have arrived 06 jun 2011 [21:16]<Lorre> now tell me that isnt real [21:17]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> So Berb has been attacked REPEATEDLY by Valar members? <--(Yes, he has been. I also have messages from my supporting troops - thousands are dying and all but one of my commanders has been assassinated. It is very real and is not letting up.) [21:18]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> If that is the case, I'd be very curious as to what justification Valar have for this? <--(Thats the question on everyone's mind... Yet VALAR doesn't say because we all know the truth.) [21:18]<Lorre> none [21:19]<Azreil> because you are being simplistic about it lorre.... you are trying to hijack us into being bashed for allowing duQ to bash berberos.... but there should have been many ways to resolve the conflict.... except that you were counting on the gang-up mentality based on the old TMM model ... which we are not.... the game should evolve into more creative ways of conflict resolution [21:19]<Lorre> im not azreil but answer llyorn now [21:19]<Lorre> what justification do you have [21:20]<Lorre> u said it would be resolved by now [21:20]<Lorre> well i agree [21:20]<Lorre> by the siege he send! [21:21]<Lorre> im basing of the old ttm model cu ur acting like the old model [21:21]<berberos> i have about 3 message-log pages of creative berberos bashing...what can be a solution, if you get attacked and the attacker doen't talk? [21:21]<berberos> besides, I forwarded the first attack message to you and you didn't answer [21:22]<Lorre> ah so now am i still a lunatic? [21:24]<Lorre> oh wanna see a message of duq? [21:25]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Az: A one off incident is one thing. Repeated attacks indicate your condoning the action. Poor form really mate. [21:25]<Lorre> lol [21:25]<Lorre> FW: Defending my vicinity (20 squares) > Received: 03 Jun 2011 13:43 > Original Message: berberos, As you've probably understood your town is very near my second city. For strategical reasons, I'm emptying the area from any potential threat. The purpose of my skirmishes was to show that I'm very serious in defending my neighbourghood. In short, I propose you a deal, either you teleport your town far away (and I will fully compensate you because I'm not a bully) or, I will raze it (FYI, I did capture Maloria 25K pop in less than 24hrs with my secondary siege army) The offer stands as long as you don't complain about it on GC. Anyway, without answer from you in 3hrs, I'd send my siege army. In the worst case, I have a messenger ready to recall afterward (giving you 12 more hrs, I wont recall after bombardment has begun). Best, _duQ <--(-_-) [21:26]<Damius> Interesting. [21:26]<Stifle> wow [21:26]<Anderrent> what the!!! [21:26]<Aneirin> Sorrry but whichever way you look at this looks like Lorre trying to start a War. I have to say it is both tiring and tiresome. [21:27]<Kilotov> shut up you stupid troll <--(LMFAO!!!! This comment is the only reason I kept the one above. (^_^) Every time I read it, it makes me laugh!) [21:27]<Klandor> Llyorn - FYI, I have tracked OTHER VALAR members Diplo-Attacking SIGNIFICANTLY weaker players located over 80 squares apart... [21:27]<Lorre> i am alone aneirin [21:27]<Lorre> what war [21:27]<Lorre> i will be massacred no doubt [21:27]< ---------- > well hats off to you you lorre, ya left ya alliance to keep them safe!? [21:27]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Well thats only because you're a 'frakking idiot' Aneirin. To coin a favoured phrase... <--(Good use of the word!) [21:28]<berberos> Lorre is one of the few who supported me greatly. Otherwise I would have been out of the game [21:28]<Kilotov> and this is what we want to avoid, newbies leaving cause of ...events [21:28]<Lorre> right [21:28]<Klandor> This "clear a 20 square" space reason is fairly rediculous... [21:31]<Dhenna> Seems like that 20 squarere rule only works one way doesnt it [21:31]<Kilotov> cause if most of people have happy growth, its cause of the pacekeeping that tsome have been doing till now [21:32]<Kilotov> and lorre always supported newbies, even before i started to play this game [21:33]<Kilotov> so if you want to bad mouth him, first learn the history [21:33]<Kilotov> i shall shut up cause i was ordered to not cause problems [21:33]<Lorre> i passed talking [21:34]<Dhenna> Well, I'll put it here right now for the record. I fully support Lorre and I genuinely believe that his actions are justified. There, I can't support him materially but I can morally [21:34]<Anderrent> ^^ my words [21:35]<Kilotov> you can supply him whit weapons . this is legit [21:35]<Kilotov> and untrackable [21:35]<Dhenna> I offered already, he declined <--(EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS) [21:35]<Stifle> and now the enemies of lorre know who you are and they will rpobably attack you or something for that. lol [21:36]<Dhenna> I'm ok with that Stifle, I stand by my opinion <--(Amen! We shouldn't have to live in fear of oppression!!!) [21:36]<Stifle> if you dont get involved you can save your losses alter. I know its a hard decision but if you dont have the bulk to back up your helping lorre then dont help lorre. [21:37]<Stifle> i just say plan it out instead of acting rashly and impulsively. It leads to defeat [21:37]<Dhenna> I can voice my opinion if I want, Stifle, I felt a need to offer Lorre some moral support at least [21:37]<Lorre> noone support me! [21:37]<Lorre> darkonewants proof here is proof [21:37]<Lorre> global is proof [21:38]<Lorre> my actions are proof [21:38]<Kilotov> hmmm proof? who needs proof if i have instinct [21:43]<Sister Nikki> Lorre you act as your honor demands so understand that some people would act as their honor and if they will help you then you must not complain [21:43]<Lorre> i understand sister nikki [21:43]<Sister Nikki> instead you must be honored [21:44]<Lorre> i am touched [21:47]<(EOM) Harry> Lorre what i will promise is this, i will not help in your battle because i can see that you want to duke it out man to man and that is very honourable, however if you still are playing and in one piece by the end, you have full use of any resources basic or other (within reason) to be given to you free of charge [21:48]<Lorre> harry u know i would never ask anything [21:48]<Lorre> i would sooner give stuff away then ask any [21:49]<(EOM) Harry> you dont need to mate, i know you would help me just as i would to you. you'l be getting frequent packages without ask then [21:49]<Lorre> evil harry [21:49]<Lorre> lol And from here it only died off... -------------
|
Replies:
Posted By: Makanalani
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 06:41
|
This is an interesting global conflict and while I am glad to be enlightened on the subject at hand, I would like to respectfully stay a third party...
TMM was a group known as the The Mal Motshans. It was a large alliance that basically claimed sovereignty over the territory Mal Motsha when the map expanded. They took an approach to destroy settlements within said land unless they joined their alliance. It was seen as unsightly by a vast majority of the general public and TMM was destroyed by a large coalition of players, most notably H?. It happened roughly last October-November.
Just some history for you SS
-Mak ------------- "Life is a beautiful struggle" -New IGN: Mak (Dark Blight) |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 07:18
|
Thank you so very much! I started in February and had no idea. Also, the city that is being sieged is in Keppen. That is where I was before I relocated. This (the attack on berberos) could have been me! And I would have fought it also! (^_^) -------------
|
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 08:56
I would just like to point out that sanction is one of those odd words which has two meanings that are in opposition to each other. Sanction, verb (used with object) a. to authorize, approve, or allow: an expression now sanctioned by educated usage. b. to ratify or confirm: to sanction a law. or c. to impose a sanction on; penalize, especially by way of discipline. I think Lorre was using meaning (c.) in that sentence. |
SunStorm wrote:Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 14:17
|
Thank you so much for letting me know - I actually went to dictionary.com before posting (wanted to double check the word meant what I thought it did), however, I didn't see that definition. (^_^) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fluffy posted this earlier - I thought it was funny (I spliced the center back together because in chat log it was incomplete and he had to finish it later) *just so I'm not accused of anything* [08:36]<fluffy> ****PUBLIC NOTICE**** [08:36]<fluffy> alright, this may be radical thinking, but I've decided to claim all squares within a radius of 40 from my towns. Everyone in that range has 24 hours to move or get sieged [08:36]<fluffy> ****END NOTICE**** -------------
|
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 14:18
|
this is somewhat sad .. |
Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 14:31
|
I knew it was only a matter of time before Lorre's idiocy would finally take over.
Meltdown #2 First one was by The_Dude who I never liked. Glad you are gone. And Lorre, you are better off leaving now since I will make sure that your alliance will end. But if you leave, then I will allow your alliance to stay. As long as this game is still going I will be here. I will and the spies that are with me, we will make havoc onto all we see fit. ------------- HELLS COMING WITH ME YOU HEAR, HELLS COMING WITH ME! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4&feature=related |
Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 14:36
Loser! *coughs* |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 14:39
|
lorre will NOT fail. your trolling is ineffective. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 15:25
LH you idiot - {PA} has not been disbanded and there is no way anyone is gonna let you end us. LMFAO - You sure do crack me us! That was almost as good as your other post... http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/ddd-daily-dose-of-drama-db-cok-vs-champ_topic1944_post20253.html?KW=#20253 - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/ddd-daily-dose-of-drama-db-cok-vs-champ_topic1944_post20253.html?KW=#20253 Now to quote Kilotov...
-------------
|
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 15:35
|
LOL. Reading through the thread I thought someone may use that Kilotov quote when I read LH's post. ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Capricorne
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 16:35
| Good job. This DDD was exiting. Thank you reporting this part of Illy life :) |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 17:37
Not really, from what I have noticed the global community seems to enjoy reporting the latest shenanigans on to the forums for all to read. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Aneirin
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 18:34
|
First and foremost Sunstorm go easy on the colour tones. Can we have some more pastel shades please? Secondly by behaving the way you have in chat recently Lorre you must have lost a lot of goodwill from neutrals. This is a clear case of a middle ranking alliance, without much integrity, craving the limelight and prepared to exaggerate and spin beyond all reason in order get it. Any major alliance that is prepared to pin there reputation to Lorre's allegations is really going to be scraping the barrel. Fact is that Lorre is the guilty party here. He has deliberately and persistently engaged in tantrums and exagerration in Global Chat . He is trying to provoke a war just to enhance his own reputation. Only fools and rogues will believe him
|
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 18:52
a recent message > RE: RE: positions... thnx mate really i acted rashly yesterday nothing that can be done about ma decissions from then but if they are willing to step down from that policy and no longer attack newbies then i dont have any problem with valar the thing on global [21:12]<Lorre> azreil then sanction duq <--(Was that the word you meant to use? or are you asking him to openly sanction _duQ and show where he stands...) it was meant to be in the way of punish _duQ show u do not approve of it and will adminester punishment to make an example and to keep em from trying it again ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: duck123
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 20:30
| Well gusse I am a fool |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 22:46
|
Az is quite correct - the berber situation would be well and truly resolved by now without "interference" from people like lorre... as in his city would have been razed to the ground a few days ago. Does duQ REALLY see berber as a threat? I don't understand how berber is supposed to be hurting duQ by sitting 20 squares from one of his cities. |
Posted By: STAR
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 23:02
omg he is complaining about having someone move within 20 sq's of him, after moving my cap, a new settlement spawned right in its place less then a day later  which is not only in the middle of my cities, but also right next door to one and 1 sq from away from another  poor sod probably feels a lil overwhelmed ... have no idea how or why this happened but seriously right next door .... |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 01:06
btw are you like our local GC archivist Sun? 
|
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 01:13
LOL. I know someone who kept the beginnings of the argument a couple of days back for prosperity too. Don't know if they kept it or deleted it though... so maybe not for prosperity after all!  ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Blind Antelope
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 12:17
|
How many people from the other top 10 alliances are outraged by these attacks? Any of those alliances willing to show VALAR what it is like to be bullied? Protecting the innocent is the right thing to do. Punishing the bully and the oppressor is also right. I applaud the stand taken by Lorre. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 15:15
|
Right now, it is between Lorre and _duQ only... If Valar supports _duQ and defends him, then more alliances will become involved as a result. After Lorre left his alliance and has refused help (the honorable thing to do), it would be dishonorable of _duQ to accept help and reinforcement.
-------------
|
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 15:59
| I think being second in rank only to the top man would mean that VALAR supports _duQ, don't you? |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 16:31
This is from Azreil himself! Leader of VALAR ~~~
The honorable thing for VALAR would be to not join in and let the two of them go at it. As it is, all other alliances are staying out of it as of this moment. But if _duQ is aided with reinforcements or attacks, many other alliances will join in to help Lorre So please, EVERYONE, wait and see what happens before you make any decisions. (See my post above to understand this post more fully)
-------------
|
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 17:47
that option has sailed ^^ Count Army Activity From Timing Carrying View 3,000 raiders Reinforcing darkone's [VALAR] Town: Meloncholy 12hr 29m 14s 607 Minui Bregal Thoronath Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR] Town: 3 Ring'Aearon (Chelsea) 20hr 51m 4,950 attack squad Reinforcing darkone's [VALAR] Town: Lament 23hr 10m 11s 1,708 The Phalanx Army of DeepForest Reinforcing Westy_000's [VALAR] Town: Mirkwood 23hr 10m 54s 298 Dirnaith'Nith Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR] Town: 2 Taludun'Ost (Wecota) 1d 42m 20s 33 T-5 cav Reinforcing Tarl's [VALAR] Town: Cos 1d 44m 55s 661 Mithren Gweth (The Grey Compan Reinforcing Dakota Strider's [VALAR] Town: 1 Amloth Talagan cresbard 1d 2hr 9m 45s 351 T-4 cav Reinforcing Tarl's [VALAR] Town: Cos 1d 3hr 10m 4s ? Unknown Unknown Lorre's Town: Shes'ta 1d 5hr 38m 47s ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Createure
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 18:00
| I don't get what city or locationthat is supposed to be... one of duQ's towns? |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 18:06
|
lol ma spy gave those ^^ ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Faya
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 21:07
|
From reading all of this, I saw nothing that Berberos did to justify being attacked. Hats of to Lorre to stand up to an entire alliance on his own. _duQ needs to back down as well. He is being a bully, plain and simple. Within 20 squares? what a joke. He is of no threat to you, any sovern squares you would use and frankly if you are still harvesting resources at your level, that is funny to me. I personally dont like the fact that all of VALAR is within 1000 squares of my cities.. but you dont see me ordering you to move, YET! *Yes, LAUGH. That was a joke.* But its about as funny as you ordering Berberos to move when he cant without sieging him. And as shown by Lorre above, VALAR is supporting their bully. So, I will support Berberos. Show me another reason why Berberos should be attacked and I may change my tune. But from what Ive seen so far, its the start of another TMM... and you saw what happened last time. Faya |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 21:25
|
This whole situation would make an interesting history lesson, mind you not the usual jibber jabber history lesson of the winning side, but when the blows come down, save the battle reports and such. Battle reports Troop movements on both sides Key battles Its expected that no one would hand those out after the war, but if people could after the war I'd appreciate it and try to get a decent history built up on this..current time event. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 21:43
I made this comment on global chat, after I "predicted" that a thread would be made, Rmy made a comment. She said "Keep thinking that CV". That comment is nowhere in this chat log, which makes the impression that you were copying select strings of the conversation, and not the whole log. Before anyone starts a witch hunt, I do not agree with the actions of _Duq, but this here is a 100% pure case of propaganda. This is designed to alert the public of the monstrosity of Valar and incite others to join in when the time is right because "Thats the right thing to do". ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:01
|
nobody is on a witch hunt , this the type of propaganda that only blows things more and more out of proportion. It has already been pointed out by lorre that _duQ is being supported by some of his alliance members, so the "one on one" theory Azreil mentioned went out the window. We simply offer to defend the defenceless. Or would you not accept same if you were in Berberos's shoes ?
|
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:06
|
Of course I would like support if I was in Berb's shoes. What I was trying to say, that this whole thread is one sided, that Lorres side is the holy and righteous, while _Duq and possible Valar reinforcement makes them the Anti Christ. It's already been proven that the chat log is iffy, what else are we not getting? ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:11
|
RMYs comments are still there. They are the ones with the name removed. And there was that gap in chat at the time between the two posts by Lorre
------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:15
|
Yet the comment is not located. This could open up other paths, such as IGM's between lorre and Valar before this incident, perhaps they weren't exactly getting along. This is not a crazy theory, it has happened before in history, I don't like that guy, I'll stir up a riot, size control of his lands and so forth. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:15
|
it's about the bigger picture here. I was not there when that chat took place, so I cannot verify whether parts are missing, but I am going to take your word for it  what we are doing is preventing Berberos from being sieged because _duQ does not have a good reason to do so and Berberos is no match for _duQ alone. If we were to speak of a player who has spawned there and has the city move option open, it would be an entire different story.
|
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:22
|
I agree that _Duq does not have justification to siege Berb. It is even more ridiculous that _Duq made a 20 square proximity claim when there is nothing to gain from it. However Lorre did make the comment in Global chat that fateful day, that IGM's are too easily altered. At the same day Berb released the IGM stating that _Duq was going to siege him if Berb did not clear out in time, whereas supposedly the message was sent when _Duq had already begun bombardment. I do not agree with any hostile events taking place, on both parties. I will not trade to either party again should this come to blows, and that is my word. My alliance members will be free to trade to either party should they come to blows. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:35
that would make you Switzerland 
|
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:37
|
heh.
------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Manannan
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 22:59
If you put offers up on the market you have little choice who accepts them!  ------------- Doesn't look good... doesn't look bad either! "Manananananananananan, so long Sir, and thanks for all the fish." ~ St.Jude |
Posted By: Gemley
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 23:00
| I just got back to illyriad and the last time i was on was close to a month ago so could someone just sum up this entire blog in a couple paragraphs so i can understand better? |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 23:07
|
Duq attacked one of dookus members, dooku was blackmailed to not go public with the information. somehow lorre came to knowledge of the event, sent army at Duq. Now the world watches as people put up propaganda and wait for the blows to fall. thats the summary. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 23:15
|
and everyone is loving it? lol ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 00:27
|
Aahheemmm *clears throat* The entire chat log is 19+ pages long and takes close to 1 hour to read it all and understand. It took me 2 hours to condense it down to 9 pages and keep most of it in its entirety. I stayed up until past 12 pm doing all this when I had to wake up at 4 in the morning for work before attending University and taking a final. I had nnooooo idea anyone would miss any of the text with it being as long as it was.... LoL - nobody disputes anything that was said. It is all 100% - Is there anyone in here that doubts its authenticity? Is there anyone here that believes I altered the text? There were many members in chat at the time. Ask them if it is legit... As for me, I do have the ORIGINAL text file still saved on my computer, and a video recording of the chat-log with the Illy timer ticking away in the background. I have never been deceitful and would not have posted such a volatile thread without covering my own behind. Unless there is an accusation, I have made no attempt at posting either of these documents. Thank you for asking (really! I am not being sarcastic). I want the truth to be known without people feel like I am tampering with it. (^_^) I am nothing, if not honest... -------------
|
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 01:33
|
Just for the verifactions sake, how would the video be sent out?
------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 02:02
|
This is not a court of law. The important thing to note is that neither _duQ nor Az has disputed Berberos' claims in any way. There really is no dispute about the behavior, only about what should be done in response to it, and that is a decision up to each individual or alliance. |
Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 02:44
Youtube or he could put it on a website like megaupload or rapidshare and we down download the video. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 04:13
|
Most likely the video would go on youtube... -------------
|
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 05:01
| I too have the full chat log with me. Nothing of significance is omitted in sunstorm's post and he has not skewed it in favor of any parties. |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 05:17
| one of my epic lines was cut. .. |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 05:28
No, I keep in the most epic...
Was there another one that was more epic than that one? :P Message me and I will place it back in... -------------
|
Posted By: _duQ
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 05:47
|
I don't really like address plebs. But plebs has been manipulated by false rumors for to long. I usually try to have fun while playing. I'm a chess player that plays fair within the boundaries of the game's rules. What I really don't like is playing with hypocrite and cheaters.Everyone did swallow every single whining from berberos. No one wondered if the situation was as simple as the bad _duQ attacking the innocent berberos or not. No one even thought that posts from berberos could be extracts out of context. I have no respect for all people that are so smart that they repeat blindly what some manipulative player tell them and, most of the time, exaggerate what they repeat. When he prided himself of having defended the poor, no one seemed to remember that Createure had already send thieves against me without provocation during the tourney. Lorre, you should attack him, because it was unprovoked and out of jalousy (Remember the last tourney that Harmless was supposed to win uncontested?). Well Lorre honestly, I don't know you and I don't really care about you. Except you're a cheater. There is a difference between using the game's system to get info and a false account to access the private forum an enemy alliance. What I'm puzzled about is how you can be proud of it. Naturally H guys are using the mob effect, created by a small skirmish and lots of lies, to build a reason to attack Valar simply because they can't stand having been beaten at that stupid tournament. To finish, here comes carrion feeders, that hope that H will attack Valar so they can get their share. Honestly guys, you're making of that game an experience that isn't better than Evony. SO it's time use your own brain not your mob-brain. And it's true that kittens that look at me die of cancer and that every single offensive spell or diplo comes from me. _duQ
|
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 05:57
|
He spoke. (o.0) This is the first time he has spoken on the matter... And with that, I would like to point a few things out. Please notice the following:
Why does anyone bother to listen any more... to me or to you... I admit I placed this in here because I am upset that any 6 city player would treat a 2 city player with such disregard. Yes, I have my motives, but I JUST EXPLAINED THEM. I am keeping nothing hidden. Believe what you want - trust whom you will - but even these "manipulated" facts seem to speak more truth than you just did. I see no justification for any of your action. You are bitter that you lost a tournament... I am sorry for that... what does it have to do with your unjustifiable actions to a much smaller and defenseless player? -------------
|
Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 06:11
|
Sigh, why must all the really involved parties be so black and white
Hey all, I'm One of the leaders of POS (Valars confederated alliance) I'd just like to make a few points 1. The one on one argument doesn't quite hold water. Yes lorre would have lost troops defending the noobs towns, however _duQ lost an entire siege army to a third party, and lost troops to other defending players, therefore at this point only _duQ has lost troops to 3rd parties. 2. Asking an aliance to kick out a member is an extream demand and has the potential to spiral. 3 Azriel believes that currently this game is too nice which I too believe, it is meant to be a war game. This being said when one whishes to change the status quoe we can easily overstep the mark as I believe has happened in this case, and agree that Azriel shouldn't condone _duQ actions especially given the very short timespan provided. By the way _duQ are you aware that you can't teleport your capital if an offensive army is on it's way?! I'd also Like to point out that as an alliance head it may come to a point where it is advisable to kick a player out of the alliance but demotion and other warnings/sanctions should be explored first
If I had been in Azriels position and had been thinking of booting _duQ then the mule like public demands of lorre would far from convince me but rather corner me into defending my member.
Stop making ass's of yourselves (both sides) it's not too late to work it out more diplomatically
|
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 06:29
|
Erik Dirk, You have some very valid points. I am a friend of BecBlue and respect PoS. I am also friends with some VALAR members. I agree that this has gone too far and needs to come to an end...
I agree, it should have been solved diplomatically, but what should should you do if the other person never responds back? And the whole while-someone is being sieged... It wasn't time to call a peace counsel, it was time to take action! Which I would like to point out - the only action taken was to break the siege and reinforce berberos. From there, negotiations should have begun. Instead, more attacks were sent and assassins also! The whole time, VALAR refused to speak to anyone about it. I too am disgusted with how far this has gone... However, where should the line be drawn? -------------
|
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 08:29
|
Interesting!
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/dlords-claiming-of-space-for-home_topic1481.html - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/dlords-claiming-of-space-for-home_topic1481.html
I would just like to say, both sides of the argument have valid reasons for their stance.Time will be the ultimate decider in this saga just as it is in everything else.Good luck to all involved.
|
Posted By: Erik Dirk
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 09:37
|
Sunstorm my first point wasn't condeming you, lorre or anyone for their protection, It was only targeted at lorre's claim that valar should let it be a one on one fight; _duQ would have almost no army now because of 3rd parties therefore to ask for a one on one fight is absurd as the prior engagments have stacked the odds extreamly in lorre's favour.
Mr D the dwarven lords situation is different, their claim was only for players settling new cities in their territory, 1st cities were accepted by them
|
Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 10:54
|
Point being they are claiming a territory as theirs.Forget the new player side of it,is it not "bullying" by saying "this is our territory,no one else can live here,if you do you will be dealt with".Regardless of whether you are a population of 100 or 10000,you have a right to reside where ever you like.Similarly, if you don't want someone living next door to you, it is your right to tell them to bugger off and equally it is their right to tell you to shove it and move away yourself.And finally if others want to side with either party,guess what,they can.Father time will decide where it ends my friend, we are all just the players.
P.s. There are precedents for every occasion,it's just what argument you are trying to present. There's post in the same forum panning territory claiming by the Mal Motshans.
|
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 11:42
well if we are plebians you are a patrician right?so if thats the point you think you are better then the rest and the rules dont apply to you? give me 1 thing i cheated on a second account is allowed and even then i didnt even have to use a second account cuz people were willing to do that for me. then give your side of the story. i thaught it was allready agreed upon that the thieves send during the tournament werent nice but were within the rules of the tournament. H? isnt using anything at all. you seem to forget that it was me who wanted you to be kicked so i could take you 1 on 1 like azreil said like many others said aswell instead u are getting reinforcements. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Sgt..Shanks
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 13:34
|
sing baby, sing!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5sANHYp_IQ&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5sANHYp_IQ&feature=related |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 13:51
|
"you seem to forget that it was me who wanted you to be kicked so i could
take you 1 on 1 like azreil said like many others said aswell instead u
are getting reinforcements." A few points.... There was no need for him to be kicked so you could take him on one-on-one. If this was your intention, then why did you not contact the VALAR and request such a one-on-one challenge? Why did you go straight onto GC garnering support and raising a lynch mob type rabble? Why did you allow others that were loyal to you, to stand against Duqs forces at Berbtown? Why have you constantly claimed the VALAR are responsible for Duqs actions? Why did you go dirrectly to other alliances, CURSE for example and gain there support for war, before you even launched a real attack against Duq? .....?? |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 14:01
|
Also out of interest.... Why did you, at the start of all this; demand openly on GC that Darkone should leave the VALAR and face your mob? And exectly what defense was it that you provided to that account, considering it has not been involved in a war since it left BLACK Co? |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 14:25
well kind sir, if you have an issue whit that, why not post in the tread of competence? well you did. easy. if you mean that we would attack new players that spawn there, you are seriously mistaken. and btw, this area holds no tradehubs or significant remarkable things. and is fairly small. only a complete idiot would found a city in the heart of hostile/ non affiliated territory, and have the gall to complain. anyway i really wonder just what this has to do do whit the current issue discussed in this tread. at least, we have made public statement about our intentions and would NEVER attack newbies. and back on topic, seriously.. are you saying that he has a point???? a newbie could be a treat? and that it had a point in wanting to raze the berberos town? if so, then something is wrong whit you... a new player is never a treat, at least not against someone whit x10000 his pop. lol |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 14:47
|
darkwords i didnt do such thing as gathering support untill i saw valar started reinforcing duq.
why darkone? well after insulting me like that i also wanted to fight him a 1 on 1 fight with any of valar would be impossible since ud reinforce him no matter what and even so duq should be punished for his attacks why would i allow people loyal to me to stand by berberos? if they want to help a new guy then why not. reinforcing a bullie on the otherhand would not be an option for them. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 15:07
Utter hogswash!!! VALAR have correspondence from Curse, regarding you asking there support before you'd launched your attack yesterday and they did not reinforce him till after that. Also in this very forum you stated that you had many other alliances on your side to fight a war with VALAR if they reinforced duq, and that statement was made before you launched the attack. Also as you admit above why would you not have people that supported you, join you in this petty war mongering excercise. From the start this was not a one-on-one thing. And regarding Darkone, your words were that there were many people on your side to fight him if he left.... asthough you had been preparing for such an event, even before all the trouble with Duq. But again WHAT was this defence that you publicaly stated you provided that account in the past???? And why did you not request a one-on-one challenge, before you rallied your war rabble. |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 15:13
|
this is clearly not meant to be discussed here. have a bit of common sense and keep internal alliance matters out of global and solve those issues whit pm, you dont want to awaken the interest of shady figures that would just LOVE to get as many confidential info as possible |
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 15:16
You want hogwash? Read the above. Why are you bringing H? into this? Creature's defense of that new player was his personal action (and, imo, a noble one). Do you really think that H? cares that much about the tourney to want "revenge" for not winning? Are you really that juvenile? Well... it's possible given the fact that you are insulting all of us by calling us "plebs"... H? has no official involvement in this conflict in any way currently. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 15:18
my attack was launched 1 day 16 hours or something ago excactly on the moment i said on global i did not ask anyone to help then i got a message of support and that they would support berberos towns. where excactly did u see me saying i had support to take on darkone? it was darkone who said i didnt fight alone. nope dont twist my words the people who support berberos town were not asked by me but did that on there own accord. i never said i defended darkone i said i helped him help is there in many ways. and me preparing for an event? lol u dont know me very well then. i didnt state i have alliances on my side darkwords try and read this thread again maybe ull see what i said and what i did not say. unless you are saying i have multiple forum accounts aswell as multiple accounts in game. i did ecactly that on global like a day or two before this was on global. as i used azreils arguement against him _duq can siege a new guy "for his personal gaming enjoyment" well then i can take on _duq for my personal enjoyment and then i got the response of you can always try so there we go ^^ this could have been resolved so easelly if _duq was sanctionned hell i would have even be pleased if he had to repay berberos leave him alone and got a demotion or something but no nothing. now tell me would you talk to a wall? if not then why should i do so? ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 15:47
Your feint seige was launched then, as a result of your squabble with Darkone. But your real attack was launched yesterday. VALAR only sent reinforcements after that.
I saw it on global during your squabble, just like everyone else did. You stated that he was hiding behind bigger members in his own alliance and that you and others would destroy his account if he was brave enough to leave it.
You said ' I protected you and gave you resources'.... Darkone has not been under attack since he left Black, so please man up and admit to how you protected / defended this account. This is what many of us are most interested in, as it is looking like you have sided with Darkone in something that neither of you are brave enough to admit. Also from your squabling and the way you seemed to loose your head, then it appears this maybe the real reason for all your war mongering.
You said there were many alliances that would join you in war if VALAR defended duq, or actually it may have been Sunstorm that said it, but this was before VALAR were reinforcing Duq, so clearly you had prepared for an alliance war.
Are you honestly claiming that you are dumb enough to beleive a large alliance like VALAR will sanction / demote a member after they have been dirrectly threatened by you. As many VALAR members have stated this whole thing could have been sorted out easily (as you yourself state above), but when faced with threats, anyone with a shred of moral fibre will stand against such threats. You should have left this issue with the alliance leadership to deal with and not got involved. Defending the newbie was perhaps the right thing to do, but your threats of war have prevented justice being done. It was precisely your involvement that blew this thing out of proportion. I am not defending duqs actions, or his attitude in this. I am merely trying to fathum; Why you threatened the entire alliance over it (if you do not beleive this is the case, look at this threads title), which was clearly the only thing that could be done to stop them taking action. And why you persistently claim that you were merely after a one-on-one fight, when it is clear you were war mongering from the start. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 16:05
first of feints? i dont do them feints are for cowards who wanna act tough my siege will land set up and destroy the city. second here ya go [20:37]<Lorre> darkone ur a coward [20:37]<Lorre> so is valar for protecting a bullie no less [20:37]<darkone> how am i the coward lorre [20:37]<Lorre> i do what i have to do [20:37]<Lorre> u hiide [20:37]<darkone> for standing up for an ally? [20:37]<darkone> how do i hide [20:37]<Lorre> ur standing up for a bullie! [20:37]<darkone> you r being a bully [20:37]<Lorre> u hide behind strong allies [20:38]<Lorre> i left my alliance i do not expect help from the outside [20:38]<Lorre> i help newbies [20:38]<Lorre> i protect em from guys like you [20:38]<darkone> No i dont, who has killed the most in my alliance? [20:38]<Lorre> u never have sent 1 solier to a newbie to protect [20:38]<darkone> its you that always needs backup lorre [20:38]<darkone> you dont have the courage to act alone <--(LMFAO!!!) [20:38]<Lorre> i need backup then why am i without alliance? [20:38]<(EOM) Harry> he's acting alone now lol <--(Sshhh, aparently VALAR hasnt gotten the memo) [20:38]<Lorre> then why am i supporting berberos from duq [20:39]<Lorre> frakking idiot [20:39]<Lorre> darkone get out of valar [20:39]<darkone> with createure and gods, as i sadi you dont have the courage to act alone [20:39]<Lorre> show what you are [20:39]<Lorre> or keep hidign [20:39]<berberos> actually I thanks him very much for his help. otherwise I would have been killed [20:40]<berberos> but I want it to end now [20:40]<Lorre> i stoped more then 1k of duqs forces [20:40]<Lorre> now tell mehe isnt a bullie [20:40]<darkone> why should i leave my alliance because you are to cowardish to back up your pathetic threats <--(Wait for it...it gets good...) [20:40]<Lorre> so u cant get reinforced darkone [20:40]<(EOM) Harry> has any armys or diplos been sent yet? [20:40]<Stifle> how is stopping 1 k of troops not backing anything up? lol [20:40]<Lorre> ur an idiot darkone u really are okay i cant find it back where i said that so u might be right on that. ill admit i did however help him by sending resources not every opinion of one of my members is cause of my doing. yup you are right if left to valar berberos would be sieged and noone would have heard about it. so now your turn put your ingame name here if you are gonna interrogate me i have the right to know who is doing so otherwise dont bother posting. i am using my name on forum aswell as ingame but you are not so it is easy to say things on here and the act all happy ingame ^^ ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 16:11
|
okay i cant find it back where i said that so u might be right on that. ill admit i did however help him by sending resources So how did you PROTECT HIM????? Stop avoiding my question and answer.... Exactly what is it you have to hide? not every opinion of one of my members is cause of my doing. Who said it was, but the fact is it is not just 'opinion' that CURSE (and apparently others) had already given their support to you for an alliance war vs VALAR. Before any reinforcements had been sent to duq. yup you are right if left to valar berberos would be sieged and noone would have heard about it. I dont think you are right in that assumptiom at all. so now your turn put your ingame name here if you are gonna interrogate me i have the right to know who is doing so otherwise dont bother posting. i am using my name on forum aswell as ingame but you are not so it is easy to say things on here and the act all happy ingame ^^ That doesn't make sense at all? |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 16:15
not avoiding it im admitting i havent defended him in that way. who says they have? and i am right in that assumption the proof is there thnx to the polite message of duq and maybe it doesnt make sense but still put your name here the ingame name you use or dont bother posting on here. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Selissa
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 16:40
Well, Kumo, to me it seems that Valar is very eager to bring that into everything. I was laughing when I read _duQ's post, since their winning the tournament have absolutely nothing to do with this. At all. ------------- Selissa Proud member of Curse of the Wolves I'm an angel, honest! The horns are just there to keep the halo straight! |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:01
|
I can't believe how many red herrings there were on all of Darkwords posts.... My goodness.... I was about to respond, but Lorre and others took care of it. Please, post facts next time.... -------------
|
Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:03
So true, Selissa. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:12
You said you had for everyone to see, so what is going on???? Do you lie so often you cant keep track of the truth? There was no reason for you to claim you had, so why lie? I beleive there is some kind of pact between you and Darkone.
So duq is the leader of VALAR now is he? hmmm.... interesting.
Why so my alliance can be added to your lynch mob hit lost? NO THANKS. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:16
You call straight forward questions 'red herrings' and avoiding a straight forward question 'taking care of it' R U a politician in RL by chance?
|
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:17
|
Darkwords, I, like others, have helped several people. I ship out goods to new players... when others ask, I have shipped stuff to them... I have received goods from players such as Gratch, Gimely, some_random_guy, the_dude, Lorre, and yes (I believe) even Darkone.... I am sure there are a lot more that I can't even remember or keep up with! In addition, I have sent packages to many tranquil vision (now known as the Mask of Truth) members to help their new cities thrive. I couldn't list them all even if I tried... How does the help (if there was or was not any) to Darkone have anything to do with all the other claims that were refuted... Are you continuing with this one because neither side can offer 100% support to the claim that help was or was not provided? Does that take away from the fact that Lorre has a reputation of helping those in need? Please explain the importance of this claim in relation to what I have just explained above. (^_^) Theology Major at University (^_^) -------------
|
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:22
what pact would that be? do i lie so often? nope i dont lie i was admitting i cant recall me saying that and admitting i never send troops to darkone to defend his cities. duq isnt the leader and the leader clearly wasnt gonna do anything about it stop posting on here then if u truely believe i am so evil do something about it then. u hide yourself for whatever reason trying to make me look bad. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:26
|
[20:30]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Az: What right does Duq or Valar have to siege the newb. Its a simple question really that still hasnt been answered. [21:25]<Llyorn Of Jaensch> Az: A one off incident is one thing. Repeated attacks indicate your condoning the action. Poor form really mate. -------------
|
Posted By: SunStorm
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:30
|
THIS POST IS RESERVED TO ADDRESS ALL OF DARKWORDS QUESTIONS _ MORE TO COME... -------------
|
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:30
And yet, not one straight question has been answered by VALAR, and most of the posts you make are unintelligible when looking at the material that they supposedly are referencing. I see absolutely nothing but obfuscation and fingerpointing to distract from the main issues. The general trend seems to be: We hate H? and any critics who dare to question us. We will answer critics by pointing fingers at H?-involved conspiracy theories we pulled out of thin air and never address our own current activities at all. I was laughing at this one, too:
I guess ranks have no meaning in VALAR? If Azreil is the dictator of all of VALAR, then I guess this is all his responsibility. |
Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:32
|
My first post here but I noticed something and I just have to chime in.
Darkwords wrote this: but when faced with threats, anyone with a shred of moral fibre will stand against such threats.
Well, isn't this EXACTLY what Berberos chose to do? Stand against threats from _duQ? Your arguements are flawed, Sir.
|
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:35
The QUESTION and I think for the 10th time now.... is........ How did he PROTECT Darkone?! Considering Darkones size in contrast the Lorre's I find it hard to beleive that Lorre has supplied him in the way you describe, but even if he has that is not the question. HOW DID LORRE PROTECT DARKONE and WHY? It seems odd that they both had that explosive public argument in GC, which was used to provide Lorre with the excuse to attack Duq. Surely if Darkone had honestly hurt Lorre's feelings then Lorre would have attacked Darkone for it. Its not a simple question of help but a statement that PROTECTION was provided. Aside from that there is my other question which is constantly ignored regarding the fact your alliance had prepared for a multi alliance war against VALAR, before VALAR reinforced duq, yet Lorre keeps claiming that until VALAR sent rienforcements that this was a one-on-one thing. Also why did Lorre jump to threats of war, rather than dealing with this sensibaly and diplomatically. So please stop repeating yourselves and answer the questions that have been put to you. I do not see why you will not answer those questions unless your motives are not just. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:36
As I said I am not questioning the defence of berberous. You seem to have missed the point of my questions completely |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:41
That does not answer one of my questions, either man up and answer what you are desparately trying to avoid, or learn to read if you honestly do not understand what I have asked |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:44
once again i never send troops to darkone to protect him in that way i did however send resources advanced or basics whats the diffrence right? u can protect a person in many ways without using force. yup my alliance was so busy preparing or a multiple alliance war that most of us dont even have an army exceeding 50 soldiers but yea berserkers take a while to train i guess and we were so prepared that we barely had any weapons or any military experience yes we are the ultimate soldiers arent we? XD why cuz a bullieing issue belongs to the public not in igm just for this reason so everything said can be viewed by the public and judged by the public those are your answers why did i attack duq? cuz he was the main reason why didnt i attack darkone yet? cuz he said i was a coward not daring to fight alone that was also the reason i left PA when they reinforced i joined PA again why should i fight alone when they would not? now give your name or stop speaking here as you are accusing me i have the right to know who is accusing. ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Ryuuku
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:49
NO, you have missed the point of this entire thread. It is NOT about VALAR's drama with various persons, it is about what _duQ did to Berberos. Just because the thread refuses to change its focus everytime you point a finger somewhere else does not mean that we are avoiding the issue, it means that YOU are. If you are not questioning the defense of Berberos, then stop talking against those who are defending him. Claiming that some of the methods of defense are not acceptable is laughable, given the actions that precipitated the necessity for the defense. Nit-picking about the precise accuracy, according to your interpretation, of what was said in GC is boring and is becoming incoherent. The point of your questions is to troll this thread against Lorre and H?. And now that I have recognized the troll, I will henceforth ignore it, and suggest that others do as well. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 17:54
Ryuuku, read the threads title. I am questioning why Lorre has gathered a multi alliance army against VALAR, which is fact as I am in one of those alliances. |
Posted By: Darkwords
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:00
Then why did you say.... I have protected you AND sent resources. Why did you claim a few posts back that you have never protected him? It just doesn't add up#
Again they do not address the questions at hand
You have no right if you are not willing to admit the thruth, anyway I will stop posting here for now as I am bored of your petty avoidance of a few straight forward questions. I was actually hoping that you could convince me and some allies that your war was a worthy one, but I guess not. |
Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:07
sighs i have given you nothing but answers <.< and protecting someone doesnt always mean in a fight i admitted i didnt protect him in a fight that doesnt mean i didnt protect him in an other way. darkieword darkieword this was your final answers if you do not want to read my answers which i think are pretty clear then why do u keep asking the questions u could never be one of my alies or atleast not one i ever talked to otherwise u would know more about me ------------- The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies. Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:07
|
Darkwords, someone else has replied your question (and perhaps all future questions from you). Read for yourself. [21:25]<Lorre> FW: Defending my vicinity (20 squares) > Received: 03 Jun 2011 13:43 > Original Message: berberos, As you've probably understood your town is very near my second city. For strategical reasons, I'm emptying the area from any potential threat. The purpose of my skirmishes was to show that I'm very serious in defending my neighbourghood. In short, I propose you a deal, either you teleport your town far away (and I will fully compensate you because I'm not a bully) or, I will raze it (FYI, I did capture Maloria 25K pop in less than 24hrs with my secondary siege army) The offer stands as long as you don't complain about it on GC. Anyway, without answer from you in 3hrs, I'd send my siege army. In the worst case, I have a messenger ready to recall afterward (giving you 12 more hrs, I wont recall after bombardment has begun). Best, _duQ [21:26]<Damius> Interesting. [21:26]<Stifle> wow [21:26]<Anderrent> what the!!! [21:26]<Aneirin> Sorrry but whichever way you look at this looks like Lorre trying to start a War. I have to say it is both tiring and tiresome. [21:26]<Kilotov> shut up you stupid troll
|
Posted By: Feldread
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:26
|
I've been watching this and while I am a newbie myself, I fail to understand the drama that's unfolding? It seems so simple: if a player is "bullying" another and someone else doesn't like it, try to work it out diplomatically - in game not personally, not using chat logs and flame wars, etc. If that fails attack the player. If the player's Alliance decides to declare war, so be it. Isn't that the purpose of the game? Isn't that the reason we build armies, shore up defenses, train commanders, etc.? It's a war game. It doesn't have to stoop to name calling. This is a PvP game, some people like to play aggressively, others do not. It's strictly a play style, isn't it? Some say they don't want to see this game become like Evony or others. But it seems to me that since the majority of players/Alliances do not condone attacking a new player and therefore offer assistance, it is already different than the others. Instead of name calling and flame wars and character assassinations, play according to your principles: attack the offending party. If enough people/Alliances simply play according to their principles, offenders will soon learn it does not pay to bully a new player. But let's do this in the spirit of the game and not with anger or malice. Just my two cents...
 |
Posted By: Feldread
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:28
| And for the record, my main toon is Elvensong and I am a member of [ PA ]. |
Posted By: Selissa
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:32
Thanks for a level-headed perspective ;) I think we needed that ------------- Selissa Proud member of Curse of the Wolves I'm an angel, honest! The horns are just there to keep the halo straight! |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:37
the wisdom of newbies is strong in you, young padawan. the answer could be that, knowing the illyriad community Velar is quite ...not happy to start a war whit PA, over those event cause that would give them bad PR ...declaring war to defend the ..hmm.. questionable actions of his prominent member can lead quickly to an uproar inside the community and thus to massive hardships in the path to a victory for the war declaring alliance if you consider PA is mainly formed of relatively young people... that would be a bad move. |
Posted By: Clavius Vile
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:45
Kilotov probably directed that comment towards aneirin. ------------- [18:24]<Johnny112> books are an advance resource. They're similar to, but not the same as books |
Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:46
| indeed i was talking to aerin whit that statement |
Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:51
Why hide behind a different name in the forums ? You seem to have a strong opinion on the subject and make all kinds of accusations, yet, like only a true coward, you hide behind a wall of lies. |
Posted By: Makanalani
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 18:54
|
The only way this will be settled is through war. The time for words and persuasion is gone,both parties just end up fatigued and red in the face. No third party is getting closer to the truth, for it is all relative to how your feelings on the matter were initially. Stop talking and let your spears, swords, and arrows decide. -Mak ------------- "Life is a beautiful struggle" -New IGN: Mak (Dark Blight) |
Posted By: Feldread
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2011 at 19:01
And as a result you play according to your principles. And those of your Alliance. If an Alliance does not agree with a prominent member's actions, there's no need to expel them (unless of course they are doing something that is offensive in rl), just don't defend them. Their member learns a valuable lesson and the Alliance retains its good name. On the other hand, demanding that an alliance expel a member for simply being aggressive is imo too drastic. Again use your armies and those of your confederates to teach the offender a lesson. But once the flame wars started, the whole situation changed from being about one player being aggressive to accusations and character assassinations on both sides resulting in a "why you little...take THAT!" war. Peace (or War) lol it's a game! |