Animal Husbandry
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Category: Miscellaneous
Forum Name: Suggestions & Game Enhancements
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Topic: Animal Husbandry
Posted By: Torn Sky
Subject: Animal Husbandry
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 18:13
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A way to take the new Nature NPCs and either use them for for commodities or militarily. New Units for the purpose of trapping/taming of the wild beasts of Illyriad. They should be fairly expensive, needing heavy leather to protect from bites,scratches and books for learning of various techniques and animal types,behaviours, trapping techniques, etc and a high upkeep New Building would acts as a barracks type building allowing you to train your captured animals and also the Trappers that caught them New Researches
After you train your Trappers your will be able to send them out much like diplomatic units. When they arrive at the specified NPC the 'battle' can either go as
A successful hunt does not mean that all the NPC will be captured most of the the NPCs will escape or be killed in the attempt and many of you trappers can also be killed in a successful hunt if you attacked a powerful NPC or did not send enough trappers. Hunts can can gain from 1%-30% of the original NPC group depending on all the variables. Once you have your prize the NPCs can be trained, sold, or used to your abilities of research/Beastiary(sp? Bestiary)< what im calling the building now On the Research im not sure whether several hundred new types or a handful would be better on the military side it could look like this >Train tier 1 NPC (with Lvl 1 Bestiary) > Train tier 2 Npc (with Lvl 5 Bestiary) > Train tier 3 Npc (with Lvl 10 Bestiary) > Train tier 4 Npc (with Lvl 15 Bestiary) > Train tier 5 Npc (with Lvl 20 Bestiary) or >Train tier 1 Puma (with Lvl 1 Bestiary) > Train tier 2 Puma (with Lvl 5 Bestiary) > Train tier 3 Puma (with Lvl 10 Bestiary) > Train tier 4 Puma (with Lvl 15 Bestiary) > Train tier 5 Puma (with Lvl 20 Bestiary) >Train tier 1 Mammoth (with Lvl 1 Bestiary) > Train tier 2 Mammoth (with Lvl 5 Bestiary) > Train tier 3 Mammoth (with Lvl 10 Bestiary) > Train tier 4 Mammoth (with Lvl 15 Bestiary) > Train tier 5 Mammoth (with Lvl 20 Bestiary) With different NPCs requiring different Research cost/times Units Elf>Rangers Orc>Poachers Human>Trappers Dwarf>??? Just an idea ive had rattling around please add to it, critic, flame or that its already been posted( glanced through the suggestions) I apologize for the writing its not my strong point and im to lazy to make it neater atm and ill add more later  |
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 18:24
| It's an interesting idea. Something worth noting, however, is that historically the use of non-domesticated animals in war has been very indecisive at best. Often the animals caused more harm to allies than enemies. Also, which animals prove effective can be surprising. If I recall correctly, elephants trampled mostly allies but enemies had plenty of time to open escape routes which the stampeding animals gladly took rather than charge into formations. Pigs set afire, on the other hand, wreaked total havoc as well as inspiring great fear in the enemy. Even the latter is not so effective as blazing logs rolled downhill, however. |
Posted By: Nokigon
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 18:28
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I like the idea- it will open new strategic plans. However, HM is right- although I hadn't heard about the pigs.... Also, not sure how mammoths could be caught
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Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 19:22
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Yes i agree with you HM but this game is a mix of reality and fantasy although a limit could be placed on the amount of NPCs you can control in an army, another commander perk or a research/building lvl or all 3, that if exceeded has the possibility for the NPC to cause damage to both sides in an attack comander perk that increseas the maximum safe NPCs by 1% per lvl capping at 10% Research > Tier1 allows commander to controll 100 NPCs in battle >Tier 2 allows 200 > Tier 3 allows 350 > Tier 4 allows 600 > Tier 5 allows 900 NPC Building level would also grant 1% per lvl, so a lvl 10 commander with lvl 20 Bestiery and max research could control 1200 Npc units, so a army with 5 commanders could max out at 6000 NPC units or we could go on a point/upkeep with commander getting Max 1200 points and different NPCs having different vaules |
Posted By: Mr. Ubiquitous Feral
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 21:21
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I like the idea, does anyone remember Killer Bunny Cavalry? I can see animal tournaments coming next, and training the keepers would be interesting as well. One day I will be done building and researching and I will be confined to diplomacy and harvesting. Its going to be fun seeing what comes next. ------------- I am a Machine. |
Posted By: waylander69
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 22:20
Great idea and well thought out 
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 18:54
Elephants were used relatively effectively by Indian armies for quite a while... (interesting side effect of elephant corps are that they scare the heck out of horses, so are effective as anti horse cavalry psy ops of sorts...)
The Romans also used war Mastiffs to great effect (especially against the naked Gauls who only had a little blue woad to protect them...) (As an owner of a 185 lb English Mastiff, I would NOT want to be on the receiving end of several hundred of them charging me...)
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HonoredMule wrote:Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 20:16
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You could call the Dwarfen Trappers "Gnomes", as I think they had some domestication abilities in some fantasy novels (e.g. Terry Pratchett)via some strange oilments or pastes... Oh, and btw, I like the idea...  And I think, that could somewho be integrated in the new faction mercenaries to come...soon...(hope so)  |
Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 21:18
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I like TS suggestion but what I have to question is - would it be balanced or would it be too comprehensive. Would it overpower a specific group of players, by having "food free units", how much would it alter the framework for combat, what would an animals upkeep be over time, would it vary with each race etc. etc. Its easy to loose perspective. I think it would work well if implemented gradually and with only a few basic races to start out with. Would be fun to have 1 animal champion available - revivable and levellable - unable to aid fellow troops like a soldier champion, but singularly focused on own ability for dealing damage to an enemy. Would give a good incentive for players to aquaint themselves with trapping. My musing done :) |
Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 23:11
The variances between each race would be the same as now for the "Trappers" like most units, elfs slightly faster etc Only fresh caught animals would be foodless/ no upkeep and would be veiwed as a Advanced Resource. Animal can be trained from their resource state to a military unit in the Bestiary requiring time, food, gold, possibly other advanced resources and would have a normal upkeep like any other unit though id leave the specific numbers to the devs to balance out It would add a greater variety to overall combat with more units to consider, Mammoths being great against cav but weak against the other 3 unit types, tigers/pumas etc would have an advantage against archers maybe cav but weaker against spear/sword and so on with many different NPCs battles can be very mixxed and more exciting Balance would still stay the same, larger players being able to build larger armies of course, with everyone having their choice as to how to build their animal army im not sure about animal champions the ability to have 2 building making military units would be incentive enough or the chance to sell the animals on the market |
Posted By: Mr. Ubiquitous Feral
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 00:05
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In Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri it was possible to capture mind worms if your 'psych' was high enough. These automatically became your troop, and you could command them as human troops. I still like this idea but would like to see it more involved than Sid's. ------------- I am a Machine. |
Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 00:20
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i think its best avoided of automatically making captured NPCs part of your troops high lvl players with enough trappers could make huge armies in days which would unbalance the game its better if you have to capture research then train to add them also captured npcs could be usefull when/if crafting is ever added with magical beast parts and other hides, venoms but thats another thing completely |
Posted By: col0005
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 01:13
| Hey, just a thought but do we necessarily have to capture the animals. It'd be kind of interesting if we could herd animals. Ie trappers could be used to herd NPC animals, on the map, into attacking a nearby siege encampment. |
Posted By: Attila the Hun
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 03:45
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It's sad that I suggested this so long ago "with a different account" and it got shot down completely, but now when someone else suggests it everyone is like "yeah leh go!"
But yes i would like to see all this issued into the gameplay ------------- It's just a game. :) |
Posted By: Mr. Ubiquitous Feral
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 06:34
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That might be why we like it. Other than it would be cool. ------------- I am a Machine. |
Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 13:07
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For the record, I offered constructive feedback for the sake of usefulness, but am not actually interested in this idea. Aside from that, there is some dependence upon skillfulness in presentation. That may have been a factor in how your idea was received (not saying I know, just offering the suggestion). |
Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 22:30
post a link so we can compare the differences and similarities and see if anyone else has something to add, the more we discuss and show interest in something the more likely devs are to consider it though something like this would take alot of work and probly wont be put in the schedule for a long while |
Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 22:45
Hi TS, A very interesting read. Regarding "time in the dev schedule"... All I'd say at this point is that... you'd be surprised where certain dev schedule things already are, and where they might be headed. FYI: The original Illyriad alpha pre-release had a building called the "Menagerie", and skills called (exactly) "Animal Husbandry", "Beastmastery" etc. It was removed prior to launch as being unfinished and non-core. Regards, SC |
Posted By: Attila the Hun
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 22:54
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found the link TS http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/gathering-animals_topic801.html ------------- It's just a game. :) |
Posted By: Ander
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2011 at 18:48
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Nice to have come across this thread! (thanks Nokigon!) It will be really fun to have a bestiary and animal units even if they are not as strong as the military units for the same upkeep.
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