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Category: The World
Forum Name: Politics & Diplomacy
Forum Description: If you run an alliance on Elgea, here's where you should make your intentions public.
URL: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=1493
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Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Subject: ...
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 23:38
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Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 23:45
this is so sad, I don't know what else to say


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 23:45
"Dwarven Lords asked Wolves of the Plains for help and Iduna was trying to figure out where to attack. Back in the Tubana war, it was my idea to attack Bucknaked to get their alliance to focus in that area. "
 
MK sent no armies to this assault, though.  So I would not brag about it as some brilliant plan.
 


Posted By: Attila the Hun
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 00:37
noo lionz!! who will obsess over megan fox!! we need you!


Posted By: Mr Damage
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 01:56
Thats taking a game way too seriously, anyway good luck on the outside champ.


Posted By: lokifeyson
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 03:21
That was pretty epic when DUNE had the Curse square imo



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Posted By: belargyle
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 09:16
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

"Dwarven Lords asked Wolves of the Plains for help and Iduna was trying to figure out where to attack. Back in the Tubana war, it was my idea to attack Bucknaked to get their alliance to focus in that area. "
 
MK sent no armies to this assault, though.  So I would not brag about it as some brilliant plan.
 
The sad part is, he/she does not even have the facts correct on that :)
 
Ottar was still with the Dwarven Lords till AFTER the MK battle.
 
Bucknaked was nearest Ottar and a player who we only attacked to try to draw forces away and divided up through varied sieges on multiple players. We were ALREADY allied with Curse (then - WOTP) and the attack on Bucknaked was Dlords idea (specifically Ottars). We asked for aid from them on that front, to reinforce and/or siege also Bucknaked.
 
I believe he noted the real issue later on in his OP.. deep down he wanted to be leader of Wolves of the Plains.
 
Funny thing is Iduna did a great job at her leadership role by delegating resposibilities to others and not doing it all herself. You would have to be NUTZ to try to keep that up! She has the right also to appoint and promote anyone she desired for the good of the alliance and since I speak with Iduna often, I know that is her desire - the good of the alliance. It sounds like he started making waves and others were backlashing against him trying to excert authority. If one desires to have respect he must first earn it AND THEN maintain it.
 
I am not the strongest player here nor close (well not to close :)
However those whom I have placed in leadership within the Dwarven Lords, I do so to compensate for my short commings. Yet they are there because I trust them and they remain of their own desire because they trust me.  If trust lags then it is talked about. Ottar and I had a falling out about his playing style and desiring to wipe out anyone within 10 squares of him, newbie or not, allied or not. I would not allow this. Ottar stepped down from leadership because our views were different yet we both had much respect for the other even after his leaving. Ottar is a good example of a leader. When things were progressing in a manner that contradicted his desires he came to me and we discussed it, or I came to him. And he stepped out rather than continue in a stressed relationship that would most certainly have ended up as this did.
 
He/she should have left long ago but it seems from the post his/her desire to control and lead the Curse was a dream to good to let go, but when he/she did.. it was to late. To illustrate I'll quote a Kenny Rogers Country Song.. "You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when ta fold 'em. Know when to walk away, and know run..."


Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 09:35
Astute observation, belargyle.  I caught a hint of the same undertones you explain, but could not plant my finger firmly upon them.


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 11:58
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

[QUOTE=The_Dude]

Bucknaked was nearest Ottar and a player who we only attacked to try to draw forces away and divided up through varied sieges on multiple players. We were ALREADY allied with Curse (then - WOTP) and the attack on Bucknaked was Dlords idea (specifically Ottars). We asked for aid from them on that front, to reinforce and/or siege also Bucknaked.
 

Hur. There's a player called Bucknaked? Hur.





Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 14:40
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 14:50
What will happen to you, allready happened to Tubana. Some crews are like pirates. Shouldn't turn back to your mates :)


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 14:56
Lionz you need some perspective.
1, Iduna only used Magic and Diplo as a response to your sieging an alliance member. Inactive or not is irrelevant.
2. She is sieging your towns due to your quite reprehensible verbal tirade yesterday.

Both of these actions Iduna is but responding to a situation you created. Yes you've apologized (which I think was a mature and admirable step) but that does not excuse your behavior.

You've no one to blame but yourself.


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 15:02
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Posted By: Grego
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 15:37
I wanted to take abandoned Crow city, after I left them. I thought I have right to do that, because I invited that player, and he was my closest neighbour. 3ft3 destroyed my sieging army. So, after you give up leadership, you become irrelevant. Same as in RL.  Lucky for me, 3ft3 wasn't so feisty.


Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 16:02
Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:

Here I call upon the players in the alliance Curse of the Wolves. I have not done any horrible act to deserve siege onto my towns. If this could happen to me, this can happen to any member in the Curse alliance. Do you think it is right for such a leader to treat a former member like this that has done nothing but everything for the Curse alliance? For any player in my alliance that likes me, I ask you to use your voice now and prevent a petty attack on a player that did nothing but support every player in the alliance.

C'mon now I even chose the location for the alliance. The area I reside in was my idea and allowed other members to move next to me.

So when I decide to leave the alliance on my own terms, is this reason enough to siege a person's town?

I have tried to mail Iduna about possible naps and confeds before but she would never respond back to me with an answer.

A day ago she attacked my towns with magic and diplomats, I then gave her a mail about it. She denied the whole thing. And then based on some of her comments about naps not being able to attack her on global chat etc... I figured it was her and some Curse members that attacked me. I went public on global about the attacks. She then was quick to admit to doing those attacks and began to mock me as a cry baby etc... If I remember right, I am pretty sure anyone would get upset over such attacks. This mockery took me over board and I threw some insults at her in retaliation. She then threatened to siege all of my towns over it. This then led me to go public in the forums about what had happened.

I know many players in this game should be able to relate to my side of the story and should start to think right now if they should put out 100% effort for their alliance. If you leave your alliance, a leader can then siege you over it. The siege of my towns be her and her alliance, will make such events a standard for any player that leaves an alliance.

If any of you feel this is wrong by any means, please speak up.

Any member in Curse, I give fair warning that what is happening to me could very well happen to you in the future.       
 
 
What is happening right now is the result of your own actions and behaviour.
Like I said before, others have left the alliance before you and they are doing just fine.
Try to reflect your comments about me onto yourself and maybe, just maybe, you will come to see that what we are doing now is for the best of both sides.
Actually, we are doing you a favour by removing you from the Curse cluster, into the corner of the map where you will be able to thrive and rebuild with a pretty advanced city.
 
At first I was very mellow by just reacting with some magic and diplo's and I was about to leave it at that, but after your display yesterday on GC that ship had sailed.
 
What is to say that you won't start acting like this again ?
This is not a first time occasion and you have just pushed it too far.
 
There is no going back anymore and I can tell you that I have full support from my alliance, no need for you to try and work on there loyalty towards Curse.
This also reflects how people feel about the way you have treated them on several occasions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 16:22
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 16:27
Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:


So in the end I do not wish ill will onto anyone in this game no matter what. I was upset and now I have cooled down. I will look back at this game as a positive instead of a negative.

Signing off for the last time...

Divine Redemption and Lionz Heartz
       


Weren't you leaving?



Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 18:17
Originally posted by Iduna Iduna wrote:

Actually, we are doing you a favour by removing you from the Curse cluster, into the corner of the map where you will be able to thrive and rebuild with a pretty advanced city.


I originally wasn't going to post since it seems like you are both at fault here however I can't leave this alone. Please explain to me how destroying a player of 16339 population would be beneficial to them. If anything, it would only be encouragement to quit the game.


Posted By: waylander69
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 18:43
Im with Brids on this, unless your going to pay for his prestige to rebuild his city and give him the resources to do it  he does not start in a new area with a pretty advanced city, yes he keeps the research he has done but nothing more...


Posted By: lokifeyson
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 20:09
and he would only keep research for his capital, if all his towns get taken out, correct?

so yeah, you could just try and get along for a bit, isn't there maybe goin to be another move? or at least more moving options in the future...


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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 20:31
I've wondered how that works, Loki.  Is the research provided to the relocated city only the research from the last town razed?  Or is it from the Capital?  Or the town with the most research?
 
Is a relocated city empowered with the Move City Spell like a new account?  Or is the relocated city fixed were it is relocated?
 
And, NO, this is not a request for someone to show me how it works.  A verbal explanation is all I want.  :):)


Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 21:09
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:


I originally wasn't going to post since it seems like you are both at fault here however I can't leave this alone. Please explain to me how destroying a player of 16339 population would be beneficial to them. If anything, it would only be encouragement to quit the game.


He mentioned this several times before, he was going to quit the game anyway.


Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:


Anyways, have fun with this game everyone and I wish you all the best! 

Signing off for the last time... 

Divine Redemption and Lionz Heartz 


I do realize that by him being active in the forum he is obviously still here.



Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 21:48
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

And, NO, this is not a request for someone to show me how it works.  A verbal explanation is all I want.  :):)

Well TD...to actually give an explanation it has to be testedWink


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Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 22:04
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Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 22:24
You mentioned the part about leaving the game BEFORE the siege started. Now you are using it as being the reason for leaving.
And about the 2 accounts, yes off course, the same rule applies as in the chatbox "auto silence" ........ for the player, not the account.


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 22:28
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 22:57
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

I've wondered how that works, Loki.  Is the research provided to the relocated city only the research from the last town razed?  Or is it from the Capital?  Or the town with the most research?
 
Is a relocated city empowered with the Move City Spell like a new account?  Or is the relocated city fixed were it is relocated?
 
And, NO, this is not a request for someone to show me how it works.  A verbal explanation is all I want.  :):)


You keep the research from your *last* town, not your capital. So if a player wants to be really cruel, they can destroy the persons cities largest to smallest leaving them next to no research at all. The GMs have made comments about changing this sometime in the future but I don't know where it sits in terms of priority.

Originally posted by Iduna Iduna wrote:

He mentioned this several times before, he was going to quit the game anyway.


That's fine however you still haven't answered my question. How would the destruction of his cities be beneficial to him?


Posted By: Iduna
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 23:31
Excuse me Brids, I was drifting from the subject at hand.
The statement about us doing him a favour may have been incorrect and bold, I can imagine that this is not a favour at all.

The fact remains that recent and past events show us that we don't know what to expect from him. At some point one has to draw the line.

He started by sieging a curse member himself, inactive or not is not relevant.
He should have handled the situation with him leaving Curse a lot better and civilised.
He also should have realzied that by leaving us the way he did (disrespectfull is the least I have to say about that) and then sieging a Curse town, that he was in the middle of the Curse cluster.

He caused enough problems as it is and we have been very easy on him al along.

As he seems to change his mind often about leaving, not leaving, leaving the alliance, coming back in the alliance, leaving again, sieging our town, not sieging our town....well you get the point.
Who is to say he will not just start all over again in the future ?

We do not seek problems and are not very amused by the incorrect image that LH/DR is displaying here, once again, this is all due to his own poor decisions.
We are not basing this action on a one week event.




Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2011 at 23:43
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:08
/me gets a chair, two buckets of popcorn and a coke and waits if there's some interesting change in the plot in near future....Stern Smile

so far it gets a bit boring, with many recurring accusations, so come on, use your imagination to find some interesting new ones LOL


Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:22
Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:

I left to make a peaceful alliance, an alliance that would not attack any player but factions and npcs.

Umm Lionz...You're sieging a Curse town

Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:

I have not changed my mine often in terms of attacking Curse players. I have never done that

LIONZ...YOU'RE. SIEGING. A. CURSE. TOWN.


Stop making me reply to you with your ridiculous one sided soap-boxing.


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:25
LOJ - He does not "make" you respond, this is your choice alone.  :):)


Posted By: some random guy
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:27
I just realized he will never see UI v2... How sad...

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Soon, very soon, my name will become synonymous with chicken alfredo.... mmm.... chicken alfredo....


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:53
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Posted By: some random guy
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 00:54
He already sieged it, geez.

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Soon, very soon, my name will become synonymous with chicken alfredo.... mmm.... chicken alfredo....


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 01:07
Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:

I am not sieging a Curse town... Not sure where you got that idea. Please at your rank in your alliance, do not make up statements that are false.

Thanks
Thumbs Down  Yeah, that's smart...try to box LOJ into a corner in public.  You go out of your way to publicly challenge people with your insults. Angry Your behavior is rash and outrageous, LH.Wacko 
 
Frankly, if you are not receiving offers of assistance at this point, then you must now come to the conclusion that you have sealed your fate.  Lamp
 
At this point, your public displays are only providing the most sadistic pleasure possible (I'm guiltyEmbarrassed) to the Illy community.
 
Good luck.


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 01:22
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Posted By: Hora
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 01:32
Just what I wanted.... Clap

Surprising turningpoints, more interesting ideas (or misunderstandings?), keep it coming...
might develope into a promising soap opera... LOL


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 01:36
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Posted By: some random guy
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 01:39
It could be called "Hysteria on the Illyriad public forums".

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Soon, very soon, my name will become synonymous with chicken alfredo.... mmm.... chicken alfredo....


Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 02:22
Just remember:  the only common factor in all of your failed relationships is you.


Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 02:24
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Posted By: Lionz Heartz
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 19:33
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Posted By: Azreil
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 20:38
AT the very least I am thnkful to you Lionz this is very instructive.... on so many aspects... leadership, politics, diplomacy, circumspection, early history of Illyriad.... however it may turn out , this will always be remembered as historic ... no sarcasm intended


Posted By: Attila the Hun
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 20:40
I think this will be more as a shcooling for newer players, "don't turn out as that rascal Lionz HeartZ now". but yeah, best of luck


Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2011 at 21:18
Where is the apology to me?
 
To Llyorn?
 
LH, you got lot's of bridges to mend, cowboy.



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