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TMM is at it again

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Topic: TMM is at it again
Posted By: Shuey707
Subject: TMM is at it again
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 01:32
Yesterday, TMM took notice of a small alliance inside the region that they claimed. This alliance, US, was growing peacefully on a small river delta. TMM didn't like this at all, and decided to attempt another of of their forced-merges. US, being an honorable alliance, said no to TMM's merge idea.

At midnight, TMM declared war on US. Nige, at the helm, has been cruel and very inhumane towards this pack of relatively new players. This type of behavior is not what Illyriad is known for, nor what it should be known for. US is actively fighting TMM off, but we don't stand a chance without the help of other, more honorable alliances.

Who is willing to stand up and say 'no' to these cowards, the ones that ignore large alliance like T? and go straight for the little guys?



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Posted By: Noryasha Grunk
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 01:34
hyu know, hyu's call for help might be a little bit better if received if hyu didn't try to shame us into helpink hyu.


Posted By: Shuey707
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 01:38
Originally posted by Noryasha Grunk Noryasha Grunk wrote:

hyu know, hyu's call for help might be a little bit better if received if hyu didn't try to shame us into helpink hyu.


Some times that's what it takes. TMM has been doing this since late October. They are claiming an entire region of the map for themselves, and forcing anyone inside it to join them or die. This region is full of new players, who spawn here all the time.


Posted By: lorre
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 01:41
can you post the original message please it will do more good 

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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 02:05
Originally posted by Shuey707 Shuey707 wrote:

Originally posted by Noryasha Grunk Noryasha Grunk wrote:

hyu know, hyu's call for help might be a little bit better if received if hyu didn't try to shame us into helpink hyu.


Some times that's what it takes. TMM has been doing this since late October. They are claiming an entire region of the map for themselves, and forcing anyone inside it to join them or die. This region is full of new players, who spawn here all the time.

*Ignores plight.  Feels no shame*


Post up the whole exchange.


Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 02:31
Originally posted by Shuey707 Shuey707 wrote:

? If you don't offer to help, you are no better than them.
this significanty weakens your appeal, I konw that if I had a large enough army to assist, this would be a major factor, dont call yourself honourable and use emotional blackmail at the same time(and no, it is not needed)


Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 03:07
Geez, Hypocrticial....get a clue

There is a topic in this forum about the threats from TMM against not only new players in T but any player in that area.     In short, TMM's stance has been players either join them or we will eliminate you from our "territory*.   

First TMM threatens new players and now they threaten a small alliance.   US approached TMM about trying to work out a peaceful coexistence in that area.   TMM's stance is merge or we'll eliminate you.     

I'm sorry, they are bullies, they will drive anyone in their path out of this game.   

Weakens their appeal, what about bullying new players, small player and small alliances don't you get it?



Posted By: Noryasha Grunk
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:20
Ve understand dat TMM are da bad guys. Just sayink dat if hyu vant help, dat emotional blackmail (goot vord!) is da perfect vay to not get it.


Posted By: Shuey707
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:23
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Sent By: Nige
Received By: nvp33
Sent: 19NOV10 16:27
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Reply
There is nothing more to be said regarding Shrapnel. So for the last time - If I could bring him back I would, but his death will not affect the playing of our game. He actually was one of the guys who terrorised me a few months ago when he was in MK. He was a mean player. In real life I can be sorry he is dead. But in game terms, I owe the old MK a battering.

We have not asked you to concede very much but I think I have made our position very clear.

I will withdraw my invitation at midnight.


By withdrawing his invitation, he is revoking our chance at peace. It's either merge or die, and the chance to merge was revoked at midnight.


Posted By: Shuey707
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:24
We've all currently got incoming attacks, without any aggression on our part. They've attacked shandar already, and have planned to try and remove us all in one big hit. 


Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 04:29
This is total BS, sorry but I'm going to call it like I see it.     Illyriad make a stand or you will all be subject to the precedent set here.


Posted By: Shadar Logoth
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 05:56
Starry calls it right. Period.
 
Shadar Logoth


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Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 07:07
Originally posted by Shuey707 Shuey707 wrote:


They are claiming an entire region of the map for themselves, and forcing anyone inside it to join them or die. 
Looking at their members' list seems like they have only succededl in forcibly making someone join them in half a dozen cases at most, so I don't know how much bullying is that, since most new players would join any alliance that asks them.


Posted By: Shuey707
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 07:12
Originally posted by Finnegas Finnegas wrote:

Originally posted by Shuey707 Shuey707 wrote:


They are claiming an entire region of the map for themselves, and forcing anyone inside it to join them or die. 
Looking at their members' list seems like they have only succededl in forcibly making someone join them in half a dozen cases at most, so I don't know how much bullying is that, since most new players would join any alliance that asks them.


The remaining people either flee to T?, or get wiped out once their Bubble pops.


Posted By: G0DsDestroyer
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 07:12
Originally posted by Finnegas Finnegas wrote:

Originally posted by Shuey707 Shuey707 wrote:


They are claiming an entire region of the map for themselves, and forcing anyone inside it to join them or die. 
Looking at their members' list seems like they have only succededl in forcibly making someone join them in half a dozen cases at most, so I don't know how much bullying is that, since most new players would join any alliance that asks them.
 
Let's see here "only succeded at forcing some people to join" therefore the people that refused to join are dead Dead. That's what TMM seems to be doing to US destroying them because US will not join TMM. That i suppose is not bullying, just total destruction of a alliance and all of its members, not bullying at all...right...Tongue


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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 10:28
Originally posted by Starry Starry wrote:

Geez, Hypocrticial....get a clue

There is a topic in this forum about the threats from TMM against not only new players in T but any player in that area.     In short, TMM's stance has been players either join them or we will eliminate you from our "territory*.   

First TMM threatens new players and now they threaten a small alliance.   US approached TMM about trying to work out a peaceful coexistence in that area.   TMM's stance is merge or we'll eliminate you.     

I'm sorry, they are bullies, they will drive anyone in their path out of this game.   

Weakens their appeal, what about bullying new players, small player and small alliances don't you get it?

I know tmm are douches and all, and they need to be stopped, newbs need protected but he goes about it the wrong way, If I am to help someone it is because I want to, not because they shame me into it


Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 10:57
Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:

 
Let's see here "only succeded at forcing some people to join" therefore the people that refused to join are dead Dead. That's what TMM seems to be doing to US destroying them because US will not join TMM. That i suppose is not bullying, just total destruction of a alliance and all of its members, not bullying at all...right...Tongue
I can accept that there will be another half a dozen of even a dozen people dead, but most would join in the face of destruction - I would


Posted By: nvp33
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 12:54
Originally posted by Finnegas Finnegas wrote:

Originally posted by G0DsDestroyer G0DsDestroyer wrote:

 
Let's see here "only succeded at forcing some people to join" therefore the people that refused to join are dead Dead. That's what TMM seems to be doing to US destroying them because US will not join TMM. That i suppose is not bullying, just total destruction of a alliance and all of its members, not bullying at all...right...Tongue
I can accept that there will be another half a dozen of even a dozen people dead, but most would join in the face of destruction - I would


Well Finnegas I will tell you what I told Nige, after Case passed away (the player known as Grog and Shrapnel) the entire alliance was shocked, we talked about it and decided to carry on and try to keep the alliance alive, partly in his memory and that we wouldn't disband for any reason.
before you accuse me (like Nige did) of using this as a tactic, I'm not. This is simply the reason we will fight to the death to keep our relative independence. So we wont do what you would...
And before you ask, yes I offered alternatives which would accomodate TMM's wishes, Nige simply ignored them.

In the other post about TMM you say I'm good at internationalizing these matters and that is a poor mans choice and that I'm not a poor man. And I agree compared to some players in this game I'm not a poor man, and I'm especially not poor in what regards frinds and allies in this game (as Nige is about to find out) But compared to Niges alliance we are poor and more or less defenseless. We cannot survive without outside help, so I don't see why I should apologize for seeking it.

Sincerely nvp33

A curiously wellspoken orc


Posted By: Metallicus
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 12:59
nvp33,

You do not have to apologise for seeking outside help. It is understood and as freewill is the main cause of hostilities then each player or guild have the right to decide if they wish to be involved.

We at Dark Blight support you and pledge our swords to your defence.


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Proud Warboss of Dark Blight



Posted By: King EAM
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 13:08
I have been discussing with the Crows and my advisors, however your saying if we dont help that we are bullies. Your trying to bring other alliances into a war that they didn't start and have no diplomatic contacts with you. Chances are I/my alliance are going to stay neutral so your just calling us bullies as well? You aren't helping your cause.


Posted By: Metallicus
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 13:17
Originally posted by King EAM King EAM wrote:

I have been discussing with the Crows and my advisors, however your saying if we dont help that we are bullies. Your trying to bring other alliances into a war that they didn't start and have no diplomatic contacts with you. Chances are I/my alliance are going to stay neutral so your just calling us bullies as well? You aren't helping your cause.


This war came about in order to defend free will mate. You and your guys have that free will and can decide to remain out of the fight. That is understood and respected.


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Posted By: nvp33
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 13:24
I have not called anyone not a part of our defense a bully, I know that Shuey707 was a bit overeager in calling for aid and for that I apologize. I have talked with him about this and it wont happen again. his choice of words were, to say the least, unfortunate.

As Metallicus said, anyone is free to involve them selves on either side of this conflict. We just ask that you see it from both perspectives, as I know you have tried to do King EAM


Posted By: King EAM
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 13:48
Yes I have tried to see both perspectives before acting. I am not saying we will be neutral but and not saying we wont. I thought that TMM was attacking you however you declared war on them. Did it occur to you that he may be bluffing? 


Posted By: Metallicus
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 13:53
Originally posted by King EAM King EAM wrote:

Yes I have tried to see both perspectives before acting. I am not saying we will be neutral but and not saying we wont. I thought that TMM was attacking you however you declared war on them. Did it occur to you that he may be bluffing? 


They fired the first salvo king mate,we just made it official


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Proud Warboss of Dark Blight



Posted By: Noryasha Grunk
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 14:59
Much as it pains me, my suicidal strike against Lionz vill hef to vait.

Dis bit seems like a lot more fun.


Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 19:03
Potential for profit is very very high....  look at those big cities.


Posted By: Casino
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 19:44
gee what a surprise eam.


Posted By: Finnegas
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 07:10
Originally posted by nvp33 nvp33 wrote:

before you accuse me (like Nige did) of using this as a tactic, I'm not.
 
 
You're so full off ... dung. How do you dare suggest I would use such a thing as an argument?
 
Originally posted by nvp33 nvp33 wrote:

We cannot survive without outside help, so I don't see why I should apologize for seeking it.
 
I didn't say you should apologize.
I just said you use internazionalization as a tactic. Some people play with their troops, you play politics too, and that is also part of the game.



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