I love this game. And i care about the game and the players in it. That is my biggest weakness. But that is me and that is not going to change. So its time to finally leave. To be finally away from all the toxicity. I should have done it earlier in hindsight.

Your quitting the game because someone launched a siege at you?

Grow a backbone Thirion. 

The Devs created this game giving the player base the ability to grow and prosper. as you clearly have. but they also gave the playerbase the ability to siege and conquer. 

Im not doing anything outlandish, im just simply playing the game the way the devs intended. 

People get sieged Thirion. grow up and stop your whining. 

How about a more dignified rebuttal?

Disclaimer: I know nothing about the example that is 'making' you quit.  Heck, I may even have been open to lending military might to your side in this (if i could, its too far away)...im speaking of generalities.

I hope you dont leave Thirion...we need all of the players we can but especially the ones like you.  I know we've had long discussions/arguments, but youve also seen me defend you  (like when people gave you crap about "manipulating" the markets) so I hope you take this to heart.

You say you love PvP but "On my side that means a casual or a player taking a break gets attacked - who cannot defend himself.".  Im not going to comment on the example you cited, but in general this is a very limited definition of PvP.  If people never attacked a "casual" player, then noone would ever be attacked.  Anyone can claim they are "casual" if they know they are going to lose.  The fact is that it takes so long to build anything of note in illy that the cost of losing is too high.  Anyone can squeal they are casual, and at that point are the attackers supposed to just scrap all the work they put into attacking the other players?

A good example right now would be dorcish...is he immune from any military attacks?  He 'cannot defend himself'...so he can do whatever he wants without in game repercussions?

The other thing was players "taking a break".  Again, can be a good thing, but people can also abuse that defense.  This is what keeps multis and permasats around.  You can have a known permasat but attack them and "they are just taking a break".

I know there are other issues, but in our conversations you would also say that something I did effected others.  Yes, I know that, this is a sandbox game.  Everything everyone does effects others.  You have an outsized effect on others...when you decide to start or stop selling pres, or to buy or sell items, you are having a huge effect on others.  What happens to the newbie who has been saving up for months to get some prestige, saving the millions of gold, and just when he has enough, you decide to stop selling it?  Its devastating to the player, they may even quit.  OH MY YOU MADE SOMEONE QUIT!!!  We're giants in the playground, Thirion, even with the best of intentions, you are going to squash some ants.  Its perfectly reasonable for you to stop or start selling or buying stuff, you have put through the effort to be the top economic force in the game.  The game is set up so you are able to use the power you have gained...just like the game is set up for military players to use it.  Again, im not commenting on this particular example, but others have put in the effort to be a military force. 

In any case, Illyriad is so horribly skewed to the defensive players that PvP has atrophied to the point of near death in Illy.  You can certainly defeat that siege Thirion...military is just as much a part of the game as economic.  Rumor was you were just the other month trying to use your economic might to set up a military action versus me and my clan...and thats perfectly within your rights.  It seems you want to be able to dictate when and when not PvP is 'legitimate'.  I dont see EVERYTHING that happens in Illy (certainly not down in the BL), but in the five years ive been here, other than the RE war I havent seen a protracted war in Illy...and the game and community have suffered because of that.

For me this post is about me leaving. You might disagree with my reasons - that is fine. But that does not change my situation.

BrianN wrote: It seems you want to be able to dictate when and when not PvP is 'legitimate'.

I never said that and it was never my goal.

In my time here i had one major argument:

War players attacking non-war players is horrible for the game. War players do not get a real fight and a real war and thus it is in my opinion and experience not as fullfilling and fun as a real war (side note: I talk to quite a few players in all alliances - including war alliances). And non-war players just get frustrated and quit. So essentially both sides lose.

Looking at the last years in Illyriad you can clearly see that. The Iron vs RE war got players on both sides motivated and have fun. The Ascn vs FALLN/TCol and VTX vs TCol/Horde war just killed both sides.

Deim wrote: Grow a backbone Thirion.

I have a bigger backbone then you ever did. I went up against most war players by stating my opinion - including Grom/Stuk. The only thing you do is attack peaceful and defenseless players.

I went up against players at or above my weight class. You on the other hand just attack defenseless players already down. I feel sorry for you that this seems to be fun for you.

This is going to be my last post about this topic. As i said, this post is about me leaving.

Unfortunately it have pass from my mind also step back ...its the stage of the game that desipoint me ...

I hope situation change and motivate you come back and compete.

The Ork'Shire Ripper / Deim agreed to a 1v1 against Thirion/Ellania (me). More details in another forums post.

and even that puts me at a huge disadvantage. what your 60 towns to my 15. that and the fact i have been at war now for a year and suffered millions of losses at the hands of some very determined VTX players. 

yeah that's very brave of you thirion. 

you just live in your own little deluded bubble. you think your a tough guy but you arent. you have never even fought a war before. 

go get some therapy. 

I made a new forums post about the 1v1. I am going to continue the discussion there:

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/the-orkshire-ripper-deim-1v1-thirion-ellania_topic11049.html#110517" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/the-orkshire-ripper-deim-1v1-thirion-ellania_topic11049.html#110517

If you need anything please dont hesitate to ask, I will let Duran know what you need. :)

Cheers 

Fi

The same for you. I like to help. Helping makes me happy.

I have offered and helped a lot of new and veteran players in Illyriad. No strings attached. I am glad to do that in the future too. Just send me a message.

I offered Duran multiple times with resources - to make it easier for him. He wanted to do it himself. I respect that :)

Best regards,

Thirion/Ellania