Attacks on Mamaquilla
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Topic: Attacks on Mamaquilla
Posted By: Thirion
Subject: Attacks on Mamaquilla
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 15:15
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Hello Illyriad, The next target was one of Mamaquilla cities. Some background: Mamaquilla is the second account of Lupia, one of Illyriads greatest players and leaders. She did lead ITG/SMA until around 2 years ago when she got into IRL problems and did not play much anymore. She told us multiple times she wants to come back but is currently burned out and does not have the time and other things to focus on (i know the details and they really suck). She logs in from time to time to reset her accout inactivity. We have a way to reach her via Facebook - but it has been quite unreliable and i do not want to over-use it too much. Lupia was an amazing player, leader and teacher who spent a lot of time focused mostly on training new players and building a welcoming, helpful, friendly and fun environment in ITG and SMA. For me she was the best leader i ever had (and i played quite a few MMOs). Leading close to 200 account alliances and teaching new players is a lot of work. To give an example: I have the biggest accounts in Illyriad. Still, on average 80% of my time in Illyriad i do leadership topics and teach/help new players. You are going to burn out at some point - all the big leaders have (Sa'Belle, Ranalos/Solanar, ...). When you spend thousands of hours for the community and the game you deserve a break. In my opinion those players are the diamonds of Illyriad that we have to protect. And make is as easy for them to come back as possible. Lupia was a peaceful player and leader that tried to stay away from war players as far as possible. She disliked aggressive players and the impact they had on the game. She was not aggressive and always solved the issues with diplomacy. I do think the war players where a major reason why she burned out of Illyriad and took a break. Back to the current issue: The Ork'Shire Ripper sent me a message asking to siege and raze the city. I explained to him that usually i accept those requests for inactive players. But because of the reasons above this is not the case for Lupia. She is a legend, stated she wants to come back and we have a way to reach her. I offered him a confed which would have allowed him to move cities close to the city. He told me that terraforms would still be blocked by other players around (all accounts he is controlling - and even then confeds would solve the issue) and to talk to Bazoon instead of him in the future. In the next days i made multiple deals with Bazoon. He broke them trying to get me to conceide more. I talked with one of the accounts he is controlling (thinking in the beginning i would talk with a real player) - all i got was lies, propaganda and making fun of the situation. In the end Mamaquilla cities got sieged by an account he is controlling and siege trained by his accounts. I talked with Bazoon to stop the attacks and conceided some more (Lupia has to move the city as soon as she returns). He recalled the sieges and it was quiet for a few hours. Then a day later the siege trains start again and are continuing to rain over the city. My goal to keep Mamaquilla away from the war players she disliked failed. When she logs into her account and sees the attacks she is going to hate it. And quite likely stay away for Illyriad longer. Or forever. I currently would. Sorry Lupia, i failed you.
Conclusion Quite a few people are telling me he is doing this because he is bored. There is no real PvP. The game is dying. When you bully the opposition in wars and the training/tournament alliances out of the game via Toxicity - what do you expect? Why do you think anyone would have have fun getting bullied like this? Instead of a fair fight you get a fight in the gutter - why would anyone opt into that? Is he going to stop? I think not. The question is just who it is next time. No respect for our legends and leaders. No appreciation for the amazing work they did for the game and the community. Instead attacking anyone that is close to you. With senseless aggression against players and alliances that in this case cannot defend themselves. Frustrating multiple important leaders in this game. Because of this Illyriad is not a game i enjoy anymore. Best regards, Thirion/Ellania |
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 15:42
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Lets have a look at the area close to him:  There are currently 3 terraforms: terrabot1, terrabot3 and terrabot4 (terrabot2, terrabot5, terrabot6 exist too and are currently a terraform in progress). Those 3 terraforms have the following 3 city names: Chez Rippa, Rippa's Palace and The Ripper They have an almost identical growth graph over the last week. Screenshots of the cities and the growth: http://imgur.com/a/Hhvx6g6" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/Hhvx6g6 Those accounts are quite suspicious and quite likely multi accounts. Best regards, Thirion/Ellania
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Posted By: Deim
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 19:48
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Look Thirion. . . why do you run to the forum's crying like a baby? you are a grown man, grow a spine. i only launched a siege at a dead acct. why the hysterics? but here you are, on the forums, painting a picture of me as some aggressive monster that is ruining the game with my marauding armies. when all i did, was remove a single dead town from my area that was blocking terraformers and ACTUAL players from settling in the area. Posting on the forums and trying to turn public opinion against me is lame buddy. do your fighting in the fields with your armies(if you have any). instead of doing it here. i want to be clear. . . nobody is denying that Lupia/Mamaquilla wasnt a great player. she probably was. but i use that word WAS. she no longer plays this game anymore, she no longer has time for illy and she has shown no intention of coming back. lets call it what it is. . . Lupia is a sat farm for [SMA] and your alliance is full of them. dozens of sat farms being run and administered by a handful of players within Shraps. this is whats killing the game imo. whole alliances being run by a handful of people, using sat farms to support their troop production while us rule followers have to turn their alts into farms to support their main accs. As for your accusation. . . i only have TWO accs. those are DEIM/RIPPER. i have broken no rules and i am not a multi-acct. I am NOT the acct holder of the player known as terrabot. i paid for her services just like everyone else does for terraforms. and i think this player might simply be unaware that the game only allows her to have 2 accs. not every newb is aware of the rules. i doubt they took the time to read the terms and conditions. the devs should contact the acct holder and explain that she is in breach of the rules and im sure she would abandon 1 of her accs and this matter would be resolved. but thats none of my business. as i said i am Not the acct holder. Quitting the game because someone launched a siege at you is pathetic mate. and crying about it in the forums only compounds that. |
Posted By: bzn
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 20:25
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first, i think that when referring to multiple people and using personal pronouns (he), you need to "reset" with a proper noun or readers might confuse who the pronoun is referring to. second, no deal was broken. i told you, ripper agreed to leave the town there for a month, and the town is still there. had i not stepped in, the town would be gone right now. third, this is not some directed disrespect thing or intentional targeting, what it is is a simple dispute over land. the player is gone for well over a year, and no reasonable timeframe on when to expect a return, only "whenever she feels like it", with an isolated town in the middle of prime land that other players want. there is a simple solution to this, and you said it yourself, "she would move the town", and "we have a way to reach her", but you wont. i want to ask, if you were taking a break from the game, would you rather have to log in for 2 minutes to exodus and save your town, or would you rather come back to the game to find that you are missing a town, and your "friends" left you in the dark, didnt even let you know there was an option to save it? a simple email - "hey, we are having a territory dispute, one of your isolated and undeveloped towns is in an area another player would like to develop, could you please exodus it to x,y in your existing cluster which i have terraformed for you? thank you, have a nice life" it really is that easy. you can say what you want about what you think her reaction would be, and i dont know her, but i am positive, if any player has any intention of returning, they would not want to be left in the dark and blindsided like you are doing to her. you are robbing her of the choice. this seems to be a pickle of your own doing, and which you still have a chance to solve. the town is still there. the door is still open. its up to you this is my opinion |
Posted By: Bolism
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 03:41
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What about the Vallette and the fact you where politely kicked out of ecrow? Again before any talk from the PvP community a little descency and cleaning in your rank would do the game a very good breath of fresh air. No one need gold farm apart from PvP players (or hellie :p ). You guys killed your own part of the game you like ... PvP Anyway the dev clearly abandoned us, and the community prefer to focus on 2/3 trolls in GC and not in there rank. Have fun anyone I'm taking a break also, hope some days you guys realise that if you want PvP you are clearly targeting the wrong side, and people that would greatly like you to have a good PvP ground if you left others out of it. Ciao.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 07:28
That is exactly what you are. I talked with multiple players and leaders in the last weeks and they had exactly that opinion about you.
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Deim wrote:Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 07:58
Then why do we not give her a break. And give her a chance to come back? Illyriad is dying. We need every player we can get. Especially legends like this!
You know the situation and Lupia better then me now? Because apparently my opinion does not matter while your statements are the "truth".
Lupia is neither a sat nor a farm.
We hav sat accounts like every other alliance in Illyriad. Including yours. As far as i am aware we do not have any farms. There might be some military players hiding a farm in ITG/SMA that i am not aware of. But that is as far as i know the exception. I have traded a huge majority of the Prestige over the last years and from time to time a lot of advanced resources. I also participated in a lot of tournaments and fought on a lot of tournament squares (20+). Which means i have a lot of data (a lot more then probably any other player in this game). Out of hundreds of non-war player accounts i traded with/fought there are only 2 accounts that i think are backed by a farm (or more). And both of them are not in ITG/SMA/FDU-S. Your argument is a conspiracy theory used by war players to justify their attacks. Show me proof and i am glad to change my opinion. But currently the data and information we have does not support your theory.
I do agree that multi-accouting and farms are ruining a game. But that is not happening here. Again, show me proof and i am glad to change my opinion. So how is it killing the game? You are actively griefing players. That is killing the game.
What player wants to move next to a toxic player like you? Nobody! Outside of that there is enough space in that are to make a 200 city cluster and more. I also offered you a solution to your problems that would allow you to do whatever you want with that area. For 99% of Illyriad players that solution works and is used - but apparently not for you? You are just making up reasons to get what you want. Attack a defenseless player in a peaceful alliance and be toxic.
That is what Hellie/Yuki said too. The evidence seems to point to something else.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 08:17
Any deal non-war players make includes that attacks are stopped. And that no new attacks are sent. I thought that was obvious - but apparently it is not? Lets make a peace deal while one side is still attacking?
In my opinion it is not a dispute over land. I made suggestions that solved the dispute. And that was not accepted.
Again. My goal in this situation was to make it as easy for Lupia to return as possible. Sending her a mail saying "A bully that you do not like is bullying you and wants you to move a city". You think that is going to make her happy and make her return to the game?
You are forcing me to make a hard decision. There was an easy solution: Accept my argument, opinion and solution. That would have solved all the issues. Instead Deimo and you decided to escalate the situation. That is on you. Not me. Again. We are talking about 8 squares (!) that are getting blocked by a legend. 8 squares out of thousands in the area. |
Posted By: bzn
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 08:46
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>There was an easy solution: Accept my argument, opinion and solution. and when for the first time someone doesn't do exactly what you say, you abandon? >You are forcing me to make a hard decision. the point of my previous post was, this shouldn't be your decision, it should be hers. you are willfully removing her agency. your decision to do so strips her of the ability to save her town. unless she specifically told you to never contact her about illy stuff, this seems to be you holding back the solution on purpose to let her get razed. maybe this is some difference in culture but I see your stance as quite immature and control-minded in this regard
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 08:49
More attacks. Briny/bribny is active. But oh well.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 09:12
No. In my time in Illyriad i had to make a lot of compromises where i did not get what i wanted. Thats the non-war player way. You back down and give, give give. But at some point it is enough and you cannot take it anymore. Attacks on Lupia/Mama are personal for me. I told you that early on. You did not respect that. Its as easy as that.
I already contacted her (even though that was what i wanted to avoid at all cost). That was not the point of this post and the situation. All i have been doing in this situation is give more and more. And just more and more aggression from The Ork'Shire Ripper. No respect. No empathy for my situation. No common sense. That is why the game is dying. Yes, you can continue to hit someone defenseless already down. And that is what he is doing. But again, that is not a game i want to play.
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Posted By: BrianN
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 10:13
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Since the other thread is about you leaving, could you address my questions here? Like I still dont understand what your idea of "good" pvp is. And how someone can hide behind your "get out of war free cards" of "casual" or "coming back". https://forum.illyriad.co.uk/i-am-taking-a-break-goodybe-illyriad_topic11047.html#110500" rel="nofollow - https://forum.illyriad.co.uk/i-am-taking-a-break-goodybe-illyriad_topic11047.html#110500 "No respect. No empathy for my situation." Just because someone doesnt cowtow to your demands doesnt mean they dont respect you. You are fine with debating and such until someone doesnt accept your blanket terms of "this is how I feel, you should respect that and give up". You dont ask for alot, but you virtually never move off your position either. "You know the situation and Lupia better then me now? Because
apparently my opinion does not matter while your statements are the
"truth"." No, they matter, but they arent a flat blanket pardon for completely leaving alone anyone and everyone you say. The fact remains that you arent a helpless player, and other people disagree with you. You have the means to completely destroy that siege but you wont because of...reasons. This is a sandbox game, and as I said, you dont use the power you have very much to impose on others, but if others want to pass through your corner of the sandbox, you will have none of it.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 12:18
It is a different but in my opinion important topic - i am going to make a new forums post about it.
I have some positions that i am hard on, yes. I believe them because they are usually supported by data, logic and to some extend experience. Show me evidence that counter my statements/arguments and i am glad to change my view.
Again, that is not at all what i am asking. I am asking to leave a legendary leader alone - that put a crazy amount of time into this community to make it what it is today and who told us multiple times that she intends to come back some day. In my opinion that is a reasonable request. If Grom and Stuk had 30+ city accounts and i knew without those accounts they would not come back it would give them the same treatment. Or an example a bit more realistic - i would do the same for Kilgore, Vanarill, Buridian, benhur and ubluntu without questions asked.
My approach and goal in this game was always to have as little negative impact on the gameplay of others. Anyone is welcome to call me out on something that i could have done better or could do better and i am glad to change/improve it. That said, when something negatively impacts my gameplay then i believe in stating my opinion. Over the last years that is all i did. I stated my opinion. And with one exception i did not act on it.
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Posted By: Deim
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 22:00
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From your posts. . . i just get the opinion that you are a control freak. you are happy building 100 cities and being the number 1 ranked player. but when someone launches a siege in your direction and breaks into your happy place, the safe little bubble you live in. you get all bent out of shape. threaten to quit the game and cry in the forums. you said yourself. . . you made this personal. i believe you take a lot of things personally. have you even been attacked in illy before? did i touch your no no square. your safe zone. All i did, was siege an inactive town from my area. its no big deal. people do it everyday. you just kicking up a fuss because your a control freak. you want everything to go the way you want it. im gonna say it again. . . grow up thirion.
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