What to do with H?
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Topic: What to do with H?
Posted By: The Resistance
Subject: What to do with H?
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 19:43
If anyone's been checking out chat lately, it seems that with the demise of White and Black, H? is pretty determined to take over their role of being the bad guy with various outrageous punishments for those who dared participate in the war.
I don't think this is right, but they made a good point, in that It would require a number of alliances banding together to have a chance to take them down.
So, two things - First, they have publicly given permission to help CranK resist the siege thats about to destroy his largest city. So if you're looking for a reason to fight, there's a good opportunity for you! A Black refugee who has fled into another alliance is still being pursued, and here's a chance to defend him without repercussions!
Second, I think we should consider starting an "anti-H?" group of alliances, not to attack H?, but for when they inevitabely get bored pounding on black survivors and turn on us so that we can be prepared to defend ourselves and even strike back. If we wait until they make the first move, it will be too late - they could easily wipe out an alliance in the time it could take us to start working things out. I think its something we should start talking about now.
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Posted By: iluvpie3
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 19:44
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way to let them know.....they can use these forums too..........
Edit:Just to be clear,I am not a Resistance member,all hail Harmless lol
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 19:46
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I see we have our next target - awesome :)
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Posted By: bartimeus
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 19:57
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Obviously not, that guy was intelligent enouth to make a fake forum account (I couldn't find him through a profil search in game).
------------- Bartimeus, your very best friend.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 20:18
Well, an alliance needs to NAP [GOOD] before its members can help defend it.
In that way, H? can choose its next target.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:00
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Methinks I smell a former White/Black member in this "anonymous" post...
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Posted By: Powong
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:22
Obviously H? wanna cut the grass before it is too long
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:29
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I allraidy love this thread :)
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:54
This particular resistance smells like gigi to me. It has just that carefully percolated blend of cowardice and fearmongering, coupled with outrage that we haven't forgotten or consigned his actions to some statute of limitations.
I'd feel more sympathetic if people rage-quitting (as gigi has claimed to be doing) over the threat of losing 1/8th of their account hadn't rendered multiple other accounts completely and indefinitely inert until they were actually driven from the game and not just playing sore losers.
Multiple dozens of accounts fought against us and are now left alone. Only a select few were total douchebags about it.
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Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:59
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And yes, we expect GOOD will defend their own members, because they have a responsibility to players they accept into their ranks, however unwise that decision. I can't say the same for cowards and opportunists who just want a degree of separation from directly attacking us. Only GOOD gets to walk away without bad blood--or troops--when we're done.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 21:59
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gigi hasn't been active in the last 6 hours...
maybe you are just unliked now that people know you destroy 22K cities for 1 attack 6 months ago?
but hey, anyones guess
also -HM-, I may be reading it wrong, but you are saying that if our allies defend us, that counts as war? for defending friends? I hope not, but if so I can see your reign has gone bitter already hardly the peaceful harmless your front pages sets you out to be
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 22:08
I know it's probably pointless but I'm gonna try one last time to dispell some myths (GM's - I think a new branch of magic is required):
1) "OMG H? is huge and so much bigger than anyone else!!!!111eleventy1"
The #2 and #3 alliances basically self destructed. When that happens there will always be a big gap to the new #2 and #3 for a while. Both White/Black and MK had leaders who made some terrible decisions which caused their own downfall, all we really did for most of the war was soak up their offense and diplos then counter attack when we had opportunities.
At the point the war started White/Black had more members and could easily have out grown us but they chose to focus on military too early and suffered for it - they started the war strong while we were trying to gear up but lost out long term due to lower production capacity. Goes back to my first point.
In conclusion - we have less than 50 members, we aren't likely to fill up and many of us are now approaching our pop/city limit and won't be growing much further (I don't plan to settle any more cities unless the mechanics change significantly) so it's easily possible for another single alliance to out grow us and easily possible for a coalition to form up and take us on - I see it as only a matter of time and I welcome that challenge.
2) "Once they finish with those guys whose next?"
At this time, no-one. We generally don't go looking for fights. There's usually someone always gunning for us such that we can simply sit back and let someone else make the first move. Besides which I anticipate being busy exploring all the new content that the awesome GM's are adding to this game.
3) "Razing XYZ's city is like totally unfair man and way out of proportion to whatever ABC suffered."
Let me remind everyone that the stated purpose of White and Black when they started this was to completely remove H? from the game. All of us, permanently. Not a fun fight, not *some* damage but complete extermination and with many of our smaller, weaker and more isolated members they succeeded. There are many people who no longer play because of White/Black's actions (on both sides of the conflict).
So, with that firmly in mind, just taking/razing a city seems pretty much like a slap on the wrist by comparison. Some members of White/Black have suffered more than that but most of those had already abandoned the game before their cities were attacked. The whining seen from people over loosing a city (threatening to quit etc.) is particularly sad.
Anyone who still thinks it's unfair (Grog?) I offer the following. We'll give you to the same treatment the weakest H? members had to suffer (for weeks) and by the end of it I guarantee you'll agree that loosing a city or two for the perpetrators is pretty fair compensation/justice/revenge. I'am sure that many of our current members would be significantly (i.e. more than 1/8th) bigger had they not suffered at the hands of White/Black and had their growth stunted for a long time.
4) I think it's pretty sad that people feel they have to come up with this crap about us to justify having a go. I'd have a lot more respect for someone who just said "I wanna take on the largest alliance in the game and have some fun doing it, who's with me?" I'm fed up with all the rubbish being spouted about us so here's notice:
If you badmouth H? in Global or on this forum you might end up getting some game content from us that you might not like.
5) Finally, despite what The Resistance says above - anyone who participates in attacks against us or assists in the defence of our enemies is adding themselves to our potential target list.
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Posted By: Powong
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 22:10
So H? is about destroying a 22k city because 2 players had a fight 6 months ago, as they were beginers?
That sounds to be just a pretext to... cut the grass like said.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 22:11
-hypocritical- wrote:
also -HM-, I may be reading it wrong, but you are saying that if our allies defend us, that counts as war? for defending friends? I hope not, but if so I can see your reign has gone bitter already hardly the peaceful harmless your front pages sets you out to be |
Please point out the part of our Alliance profile that says we are peaceful.
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 22:40
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What to do with H?
I'll tell you what we do with H?
We stop worrying about "Huge alliance zomg!!!" and play the game.
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: Powong
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 22:46
KillerPoodle wrote:
If you badmouth H? in Global or on this forum you might end up getting some game content from us that you might not like. |
Second stage of a dictature: Censorship
KillerPoodle wrote:
5) Finally, despite what The Resistance says above - anyone who participates in attacks against us or assists in the defence of our enemies is adding themselves to our potential target list.
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Third stage of a dictature: Erase any mass actions with mind control
Cut the grass not to be in danger is the last stage... but i definitely repeat myself
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Posted By: The Resistance
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 00:30
"5) Finally, despite what The Resistance says above - anyone who
participates in attacks against us or assists in the defence of our
enemies is adding themselves to our potential target list."
Hey, this was from the H? member who seemed to be leading the siege in
General. He said he would be fine with people attempting to assist in
resisting the siege, and wouldn't come after those who did. Are you
saying we shouldn't believe the things your players have said? Because
I know a few people who were strongly considering acting on that tidbit
when it was brought simply because they thought it sounded like fun,
rather than because of any real desire to fight H? I don't think its fair to punish them for something they believed in good faith, perpetrated by a member of your own alliance... but then, you're not really looking for legitimate enemies so much as an excuse, so I can't say I'm surprised.
And I stand by what I said - but obviously I was right to hide my
identity. H? members have the taste for war now - despite what the
leadership wants, soon enough they will be in other war. Look at some
of the H? posters in this thread- they are visibly itching for a
conflict.
I am NOT promoting any action against H? (except for the bit that an H?
member actually okayed!) besides a general organization and
preparedness to respond to an alliance that, from all appearances, is growing increasingly more hostile now that their enemy is gone.
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Posted By: some random guy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 00:44
as the Beatles said- let it be.
------------- Soon, very soon, my name will become synonymous with chicken alfredo.... mmm.... chicken alfredo....
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 02:36
Powong wrote:
SOme wacky stuff
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Dude - I do not know which alternate reality you are looking at things in, or why you feel like you could possibly know enough about the situation to pass judgment, but whatever it is that you are smoking I would love to get hold of some too.
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Posted By: Powong
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 03:40
"SOme wacky stuff" ?
Anyway... im sure that what im saying is not really that idiotic.
Actually it's you (H?) who rules the game. And you can do whatever you want, you will never suffer any retaliations. Nobody want to involved in your affairs because the one who do that ends alone against you. And in 1vs1 (alliance alliance) you are the winner.
Take this case as an exemple, one player of [Good] has problems with you, then his alliance get involved, but the other alliances are washing theyre hands and dont want to do anything against you.
Resistance has a good point asking alliances to do a coallition and prevent H? to do whatever they want. But actually who is really ready to do a coallition in prevention? That is no sensible. Because a coallition would be better than you. But you stop people by the fear. And what you said on "5)" and the non action of any other alliance to help [Good] is a proof.
You say that when many H? members will reach the max population, the others will reduce the difference of strenght. But that is actually not the case. As it stands you can destroy some cyties to reduce the growth of some of your ennemies, or totally destroy them. And nobody will launch a reply as they are not targeted by you.
For me that is a dictatural system.
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 07:28
KillerPoodle wrote:
I'd have a lot more respect for someone who just said "I wanna take on the largest alliance in the game and have some fun doing it, who's with me?" |
I think a lot of people want to take out H?. The problem is many people are afraid due to that 1.5M population thing. No one wants to say "I'd like to take out H?" to you guys because they're afraid you'll attack them. So can you really blame people for making fake accounts and creating threads like this?
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 15:40
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I don't want to take out H?, but I do worry that they are becoming increasingly militant now that WHITE is basically gone (gee didn't someone predict this). I mean come on, really? You are threatening people just for speaking out and disagreeing with you? Attacking somone for threatening to take hostile action against you is one thing, but attacking them because they are vocalizing a disagreement with how you play the game (especially when the majority have a certain opinion of how players should conduct themselves)? That's just pathetic.
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Posted By: The Resistance
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 16:06
I have no interest in "taking them out" either, honestly. I just have a feeling that they're going to come for me eventually, and when that day comes I want to be prepared. They aren't willing to admit just how afraid people are of them, but they seemed to enjoy actively cultivating that fear.
Also, H?, any response to publicly stating that your going to punish people who act on the words of one of your own members saying it would be alright?
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 16:56
KillerPoodle wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
also -HM-, I may be reading it wrong, but you are saying that if our allies defend us, that counts as war? for defending friends? I hope not, but if so I can see your reign has gone bitter already hardly the peaceful harmless your front pages sets you out to be |
Please point out the part of our Alliance profile that says we are peaceful.
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ok it dosen't say peaceful, thats my fault, I was remembering something different
but on a sidenote on your description it does say:
"Turn-offs are intentionally sloppy grammar, boasting, bullying(attacking players for attacking one of your members in a wa 6 months ago? by raising one of the bigger cities in the game? semms fair)
and half-hearted attempts at psychological or social manipulation(help out and we will but you on our sh*tlist, in basic terms."
so I still believe you have abit of editing to do :D
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 17:34
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You guys can try to equate the results of a war with bullying all you want, but it's simply not the same thing. We had a war, we won, we are exacting very controlled reprecussions against a small minority of our former enemies who were particulary eggregious in their harrassment of our newbie members during the war. These former enemies think that because they left their alliance all of their previous behavior should be forgotten and forgiven. We don't. It's that simple.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 17:46
Kumomoto wrote:
You guys can try to equate the results of a war with bullying all you want, but it's simply not the same thing. We had a war, we won, we are exacting very controlled reprecussions against a small minority of our former enemies who were particulary eggregious in their harrassment of our newbie members during the war. These former enemies think that because they left their alliance all of their previous behavior should be forgotten and forgiven. We don't. It's that simple. |
he destroyied the army of one of your members, not really harassment more sort of attacking the enemy but hey :| I guess you could raze a town over that
and that isn't the main point, it's that you threatened to but any player or alliance who assists Crank on your "sh*t list" so they can expect a large army at their door in a few months if they grow somewhat powerful yet you expect us to defend our members which will destroy our entire military and take a logn time to recover from, it's been said many times this isn't justice or revenge, this is just cutting the grass
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 17:50
-hypocritical- wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
You guys can try to equate the results of a war with bullying all you want, but it's simply not the same thing. We had a war, we won, we are exacting very controlled reprecussions against a small minority of our former enemies who were particulary eggregious in their harrassment of our newbie members during the war. These former enemies think that because they left their alliance all of their previous behavior should be forgotten and forgiven. We don't. It's that simple. |
he destroyied the army of one of your members, not really harassment more sort of attacking the enemy but hey :| I guess you could raze a town over that
and that isn't the main point, it's that you threatened to but any player or alliance who assists Crank on your "sh*t list" so they can expect a large army at their door in a few months if they grow somewhat powerful yet you expect us to defend our members which will destroy our entire military and take a logn time to recover from, it's been said many times this isn't justice or revenge, this is just cutting the grass
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You weren't there. He harrassed our newbie members for weeks. He did not just kill one army. I remember endlessly sending resources and aid up to members near him just to keep them from quitting. Don't talk about history that you know nothing about.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 17:53
Kumomoto wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
You guys can try to equate the results of a war with bullying all you want, but it's simply not the same thing. We had a war, we won, we are exacting very controlled reprecussions against a small minority of our former enemies who were particulary eggregious in their harrassment of our newbie members during the war. These former enemies think that because they left their alliance all of their previous behavior should be forgotten and forgiven. We don't. It's that simple. |
he destroyied the army of one of your members, not really harassment more sort of attacking the enemy but hey :| I guess you could raze a town over that
and that isn't the main point, it's that you threatened to but any player or alliance who assists Crank on your "sh*t list" so they can expect a large army at their door in a few months if they grow somewhat powerful yet you expect us to defend our members which will destroy our entire military and take a logn time to recover from, it's been said many times this isn't justice or revenge, this is just cutting the grass
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You weren't there. He harrassed our newbie members for weeks. He did not just kill one army. I remember endlessly sending resources and aid up to members near him just to keep them from quitting. Don't talk about history that you know nothing about. |
I'm going by what Carnk has told me, if you can give "endless" logs of him constantly attacking smaller members then I will accept that you are right, I remember a white member stating that they prefer record kepping ;) so this should be easy
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 18:31
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Let's be clear (about my point of view anyway). I think H? is mostly in the right about this. I actually mostly buy the "H? are the good guys" line. But that's my problem. I feel H? is being a poor winner and overreacting. As the "good guy" you have to expect to be held to a higher standard and razing a 22k pop city for a few attacks that did no more than kill troops and steal resources at most goes from righteous retribution to vengeful vindictiveness. Superman brings the villians to justice, he doesn't kill them.
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Posted By: Powong
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 18:51
Kumomoto wrote:
You weren't there. He harrassed our newbie members for weeks. He did not just kill one army. |
Of course each side has his proper version of the facts.
But finally, know the truth is just a detail.
There were a war; you win; as winners you think that the side who lost doesn't have his count already... I won't say that this is honorable and that this is not just a pretext... but forget one minute that your retaliations are dispropotionnate and hide your real intentions.
As it seems not to be an eye for an eye, but an eye for a head, you are perpetuing the war cycle. KP said that he would prefer to be in front of someone who says "lets fight against the biggest alliance for fun" (if i well understood). But acting like that, you can be sure that people wont attack you for fun but for vengeance.
We are talking about Crank. But you are preparing 4 sieges against 3 different players of [Good].
So ok, like i said, lets forget the truth and the justice.
Actually you are planning to destroy 4 cities. Normally, if you just want to repair some things and not more, you may destroy that 4 cities and then leave these players because they have their count.
But if after you do more than your are already doing against these players... this is that you are not just doing controlled retaliations as you seem to say. Then it would mean that you are dangerous for the other alliances.
Anyway... we will be fixed in few days or weeks.
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Posted By: The Resistance
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 19:36
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H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what?
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 19:56
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what? |
actually the seige that is on leytonstone isn't h? atleast not directly, bu an sta encampment no idea what they are doign there but hey :|
dunno about the 3rd seige either, unless they are seiging 2 of cranks or gigi's cities?
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 19:59
I wish everyone would stop saying H? are the good guys so they have to do this or they can't do this. "Good" is a matter of opinion. Just because you think they're doing something wrong doesn't mean they agree and it certainly doesn't mean your right and their wrong. Besides, they could be doing much worse and destroying all of the players cities. They could even be really cruel and destroy the smaller city last so they'd start out with less research. While I'm not sure I agree that taking revenge is a good thing, at the very least they're not completely destroying the player.
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Posted By: Mandarins31
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 20:16
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what?
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Sieges actually in action:
1 against Gigi (Coconut)
Sieges in preparation:
1 against Crank (Parthus) ----> the biggest one 1 against Gigi (SolidElectronics) 1 against Leyton (Leyton) ----> May be indirectly an action of H? as Hypocritical said.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 20:18
Brids17 wrote:
I wish everyone would stop saying H? are the good guys |
they give themselves the image of being the good guy, it's the joys of good PR and a large army if anyone disagree's
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Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 20:47
-hypocritical- wrote:
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what? |
actually the seige that is on leytonstone isn't h? atleast not directly, bu an sta encampment no idea what they are doign there but hey :|
dunno about the 3rd seige either, unless they are seiging 2 of cranks or gigi's cities? |
The army outside Leytonstone is actually a H? army, not an StA army. (Sorry hypocritical, I read the wrong scout report. With apologies to StA too.)
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 20:57
Laccy wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what? |
actually the seige that is on leytonstone isn't h? atleast not directly, bu an sta encampment no idea what they are doign there but hey :|
dunno about the 3rd seige either, unless they are seiging 2 of cranks or gigi's cities? |
The army outside Leytonstone is actually a H? army, not an StA army. (Sorry hypocritical, I read the wrong scout report. With apologies to StA too.)
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:( and what is the reason for that seige can anyone for h? tell us? because laccy wasn't a major part of the white/h? war, and you have not mentioned his wrong doings(of which there is none) in any thread, mail or chat
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 21:04
-hypocritical- wrote:
Laccy wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what? |
actually the seige that is on leytonstone isn't h? atleast not directly, bu an sta encampment no idea what they are doign there but hey :|
dunno about the 3rd seige either, unless they are seiging 2 of cranks or gigi's cities? |
The army outside Leytonstone is actually a H? army, not an StA army. (Sorry hypocritical, I read the wrong scout report. With apologies to StA too.)
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:( and what is the reason for that seige can anyone for h? tell us? because laccy wasn't a major part of the white/h? war, and you have not mentioned his wrong doings(of which there is none) in any thread, mail or chat |
There is no siege. Only an army sitting on a square. Same thing with the other two. It's not a siege until someone sieges you. Please be more precise with your accusations.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 21:09
Kumomoto wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
Laccy wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
The Resistance wrote:
H?, who exactly are you sieging now? Whats this about sieging four good members? Are they all former Black's or what? |
actually the seige that is on leytonstone isn't h? atleast not directly, bu an sta encampment no idea what they are doign there but hey :|
dunno about the 3rd seige either, unless they are seiging 2 of cranks or gigi's cities? |
The army outside Leytonstone is actually a H? army, not an StA army. (Sorry hypocritical, I read the wrong scout report. With apologies to StA too.)
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:( and what is the reason for that seige can anyone for h? tell us? because laccy wasn't a major part of the white/h? war, and you have not mentioned his wrong doings(of which there is none) in any thread, mail or chat |
There is no siege. Only an army sitting on a square. Same thing with the other two. It's not a siege until someone sieges you. Please be more precise with your accusations. |
fine why a large army with the most likely intent seiging sitting beside leytonsitne, and cannot seige another other [good] cities
and so you are saying that you aren't going to seige Crank and gigi then? that you are just putting your army there for sh*ts and giggles, if you do plan to seige them, then one can safetly assume that a 3rd army beside the alliance capital will most likely be a seige army, is it's a precise accusation, unless I am missing something?
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 21:14
-hypocritical- wrote:
fine why a large army with the most likely intent seiging sitting beside leytonsitne, and cannot seige another other [good] cities
and so you are saying that you aren't going to seige Crank and gigi then? that you are just putting your army there for sh*ts and giggles, if you do plan to seige them, then one can safetly assume that a 3rd army beside the alliance capital will most likely be a seige army, is it's a precise accusation, unless I am missing something?
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We don't have an army next to your alliance capital. Do you even know what city your alliance capital is?
Btw. NICE "H" on your signature! ;)
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 21:36
Kumomoto wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
fine why a large army with the most likely intent seiging sitting beside leytonsitne, and cannot seige another other [good] cities
and so you are saying that you aren't going to seige Crank and gigi then? that you are just putting your army there for sh*ts and giggles, if you do plan to seige them, then one can safetly assume that a 3rd army beside the alliance capital will most likely be a seige army, is it's a precise accusation, unless I am missing something?
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We don't have an army next to your alliance capital. Do you even know what city your alliance capital is?
Btw. NICE "H" on your signature! ;) |
leyton leytonstone it's kinda the same dont you agree
but answer the question, if it isn't seiging, have you just decided to plae an army right outside one of our city doorsteps?
also it was meant to be like some sort of giraffe, the preset pictures aren't up to scratch 
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 22:04
KillerPoodle wrote:
We'll give you to the same treatment the weakest H? members had to suffer (for weeks) and by the end of it I guarantee you'll agree that loosing a city or two for the perpetrators is pretty fair compensation/justice/revenge. I'am sure that many of our current members would be significantly (i.e. more than 1/8th) bigger had they not suffered at the hands of White/Black and had their growth stunted for a long time.
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Srry if I bring old things up in this thread (haven't been on to reply on most of these posts).
But please note that you are not preparing a siege against me that will distroy 1/8 of my total population. You are Distroying the town that is HALF my total size. How on earth do you compair 1/8 with 1/2 ? Or and I just misreading your post here?
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 22:28
-hypocritical- wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
You guys can try to equate the results of a war with bullying all you want, but it's simply not the same thing. We had a war, we won, we are exacting very controlled reprecussions against a small minority of our former enemies who were particulary eggregious in their harrassment of our newbie members during the war. These former enemies think that because they left their alliance all of their previous behavior should be forgotten and forgiven. We don't. It's that simple. |
he destroyied the army of one of your members, not really harassment more sort of attacking the enemy but hey :| I guess you could raze a town over that
and that isn't the main point, it's that you threatened to but any player or alliance who assists Crank on your "sh*t list" so they can expect a large army at their door in a few months if they grow somewhat powerful yet you expect us to defend our members which will destroy our entire military and take a logn time to recover from, it's been said many times this isn't justice or revenge, this is just cutting the grass
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You weren't there. He harrassed our newbie members for weeks. He did not just kill one army. I remember endlessly sending resources and aid up to members near him just to keep them from quitting. Don't talk about history that you know nothing about. |
I'm going by what Carnk has told me, if you can give "endless" logs of him constantly attacking smaller members then I will accept that you are right, I remember a white member stating that they prefer record kepping ;) so this should be easy |
Yes, I really want to see these logs. (unedited ofcourse) because I really starting to doubt myself of having multiple personalities and that my 2nd person in me must have done these endless attacks wich I am not aware of..
Yes, I did attack Llyorn. This was allraidy discussed yesterday and I don't want to bring it up again but I think I have no choice. Llyorn was a little bigger than me at that time. Yes I killed his army 6months ago (even a long time before the war ended) and I left him alone after that.
Yes, I did attack Emanem who was like 5% my size. You all will remember it took my army about 4 or 5 days to get there. I attacked him because he was continiously attacking other SMALL Black members and I was just giving these members a break from Emanem by making Emanem move his resources and army to a other town. I sent resources to the small members from Black for the same reason you stated, to keep them from quiting the game. I failed there because we lost the war and they did quit the game. I stole a total amount of less than 1k resources from Emanem. It was only to keep him from attacking our small members who where too far away from me to defend them. I could have chosen to reinforce them, but then the big guys in H? whould notice this and take their chance to kill my army.
I did what I have to do to defend our members, same as H? did what they had to do for their members.
This war stopped at the defeat of White. I was 2 months inactive before this happend. I didn't even know White was defeated and I allraidy quit being involved in this war. Only thing was, I didn't quit Black, I stayed inactive there. (all had to do with personal reasons)
I joined GOOD company not because White was defeated. But because I came back on this game to play again without being controlled by our previous White leaders. If you don't know how the White/Black diplomatics worked, Ill tell you. Black was NOT allowed to do ANYTHING without permission from White. I was apointed by White leaders to make sure Black members did nothing without White's permission. Yes you hear me, I don't aprove how White played, but I liked my rank because it would keep me from getting involved in this war too much. This all because White has issues with H? wich I didn't know of. But being in Black company I do agree I was a part of this war anyways.
So now I explained all I wanted to say. Yes, I was a high ranked player in Black and therefor I was involved in this war, one way or another. But is this really worth distroying HALF my total population while I never had intentions to harm harmless? members. I did disagree with the actions that H? did, and I did disagree with the way White played. But was I really neutral? NO. I was still a Black member, but one with a voice.
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Posted By: Larry
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 00:25
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A+ thread would read again!
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 01:04
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Wow.. You guys are really off topic.
You should be talking about what we do about H?
You are talking about what H? did and is doing.
There is a problem here.
And stop saying I am afraid of stuff. Fear is an illusion.
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: The Resistance
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 02:59
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Karl, what do you think we should do about H?
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 03:04
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Crank:
You might as well stop trying to make your argument. That city is toast. You were one of the top leaders of Black. We have wiped out one city (or more) of all the leaders of White and feel that, given your history of aggression and leadership position amongst the second largest enemy in our war, we feel you deserve to lose this city.
You can try to stop it. We would welcome it! You can get a whole ton of your alliance mates' troops killed (or maybe they want the xp... not sure). But you are going to lose it. We will follow through on what we set out to do. No amount of whining or appealing to the public will change our minds. If your new alliance mates are so naive as to feel that we are attacking them and not because of the baggage you brought with you, then, so be it, but we have no interest in war with Good.
So I would focus on building your other 5 cities.
And I'm done trying to convince unconvinceables that we have a right to do what we're doing. You want to take it as a unilateral, unprovoked, aggressive, fascist move, then go ahead. This is a threadnought already, and we are really wasting energy trying to convince Crank or his buddies that it's ok to attack them. They will never agree with us. And some people will never see it our way, but calmer and more reasoned heads (ie the ones we want to have diplo relations with) will. That's one of the beauties of this game. One can choose one's friends. We have and will continue to do so.
Kumo
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Posted By: naive
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 03:46
dear kumo:
how do you already have 271 posts? insane.
are you really in DC? i'm tempted to head up there for the truthiness rally, but it's a nasty drive (18 hours by google's count).
can you believe some of these posts? i don't think we've even attacked one player unprovoked yet? i fat fingered a spell once or twice (my bad 3 *something* 3), but i don't think i know of any unprovoked attacks. perhaps you could check into this for me.
anyway, i hope your BF is feeling better, tell *him* i said hello!!
XOXO
~N
P.S. i saw that 7 to 5 edit!
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 03:54
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If you really hate them so bad, you could just refuse to trade with them. An embargo hurts both parties, or it would if trade was more than just intercity trade. But, as it is now, the one not getting the goods they want gets hurt more. Other than that, we just wait.
Wait for it in silence.
They won't hear about it.
Not even we will know about it.
We are the anonymous masses.
We blend in with the rest.
We don't have to do anything this year.
Or the next.
But eventually....
Something will happen.
Who knows what that will be?
Only the future can tell.
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: naive
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 03:59
are you trying to be poetic or just emo?
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 04:06
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Just drooling all over the thread.
Don't mind me.
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 05:23
CranK: Kumo and KP have already surmised our opinion/position eloquently enough But I'll leave you with this:
Your behavior in this thread and global has simply made this (Siege) all the more enjoyable. Thanks :)
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Posted By: Selexxa
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 06:12
I dont know what im talking about, really, but i think that the main reason an alliance should attack another is that a bully has picked on a smaller player. it is, of course probably tempting to attack another player just for the hell of it if you have 40,000 archers sitting around eating your food. i have just joined Good alliance and have had dealings or messages with Crank Laccy and Gigi and hold them in the highest regard. Any of you who don't agree with that are welcome to your own opinion, but anyone who uses too much rancor is betraying the fact that they have little else to do but play a browser game and are taking themselves wayyy to damn serious
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 06:52
Selexxa wrote:
Any of you who don't agree with that are welcome to your own opinion, but anyone who uses too much rancor is betraying the fact that they have little else to do but play a browser game and are taking themselves wayyy to damn serious
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I don't think I've ever seen someone use rancor in a sentence
before...Is that actually the correct way to use the term? I always
wanted to use the word but could never figure out how to put it into a
sentence...
And yeah, this post is 100% off topic...
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Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 06:57
Dear GMs
I trust you're all sitting around, reading this thread avidly while you sip your tea with five sugars, trying to remain on your seats in spite of the slippery warm moistness of excitement threatening to wash you off them.
Well, you should feel proud of yourselves, for creating this medium of slow torment to the unsuspecting wayfarer with a hook of gaming tantara, for providing the method by which the gratification sought after in the hearts of the hopeful is captured, then delayed before the finality of utter dismay.
How you can sleep at night, as the PayPal account kachings and total revenue crawls ever upwards, is a marvel to all zoo keepers in fine standing. Well, think on this, as you wake in the morning next to your significant other and head off, bleary-eyed with the fog of dreamy bliss, to your bathrooms to perform your morning ablutions, including shaving. Think on this, as you tread downstairs to break fast with your loved ones and watch morning television on ITV, not BBC, as they hang on your every mouthful, with nothing but utter respect for what they think you're doing, apart from eating thick-sliced toast with Marmite. Think on this, as you step out of your 3-bedroom semi, into your high-powered but reasonably-priced front-wheel-drive 3-year-plan executive saloon and activate your windscreen mounted GPS device. Think on this, as you negotiate the Swindon magic-roundabout and give the finger to the individual with the temerity to sound their vehicle horn in your direction, or was it the old lady in the Morris Minor? Think on this, as you sit in front of your terminal in the office, lavishly nurturing your instrument of domination of the masses, surrounded by pink and yellow Post-It notes. Take a break for lunch, then think on this, too, as you experience your mid-afternoon sugar lull and imbibe a caffeine-laden beverage, hot or fizzy. Consider this when, upon returning to your current domicile, you relish in the release of the day's labour. Ponder this, as you trudge through your regular exercise routines, and you realise that you're trapped in the machine too, and it has you, it has you and won't let go, it has you and is inexorably dwaring you to an insanity, an insanity that masks itself as success, but leaves the rank aftertaste of summer holidays in Kefalonia (or Mallorca) flying Easyjet (or Ryanair).
Yes, muse proudly upon your acts, for you also are all responsible, and wear stripy shirts more often than is healthy.
May your souls find peace.
Laccy
(any chance of a couple of mammoth regiments to even up the score? ta)
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 07:10
Laccy wrote:
Dear GMs
I trust you're all sitting around, reading this thread avidly while you sip your tea with five sugars, trying to remain on your seats in spite of the slippery warm moistness of excitement threatening to wash you off them.
Well, you should feel proud of yourselves, for creating this medium of slow torment to the unsuspecting wayfarer with a hook of gaming tantara, for providing the method by which the gratification sought after in the hearts of the hopeful is captured, then delayed before the finality of utter dismay.
How you can sleep at night, as the PayPal account kachings and total revenue crawls ever upwards, is a marvel to all zoo keepers in fine standing. Well, think on this, as you wake in the morning next to your significant other and head off, bleary-eyed with the fog of dreamy bliss, to your bathrooms to perform your morning ablutions, including shaving. Think on this, as you tread downstairs to break fast with your loved ones and watch morning television on ITV, not BBC, as they hang on your every mouthful, with nothing but utter respect for what they think you're doing, apart from eating thick-sliced toast with Marmite. Think on this, as you step out of your 3-bedroom semi, into your high-powered but reasonably-priced front-wheel-drive 3-year-plan executive saloon and activate your windscreen mounted GPS device. Think on this, as you negotiate the Swindon magic-roundabout and give the finger to the individual with the temerity to sound their vehicle horn in your direction, or was it the old lady in the Morris Minor? Think on this, as you sit in front of your terminal in the office, lavishly nurturing your instrument of domination of the masses, surrounded by pink and yellow Post-It notes. Take a break for lunch, then think on this, too, as you experience your mid-afternoon sugar lull and imbibe a caffeine-laden beverage, hot or fizzy. Consider this when, upon returning to your current domicile, you relish in the release of the day's labour. Ponder this, as you trudge through your regular exercise routines, and you realise that you're trapped in the machine too, and it has you, it has you and won't let go, it has you and is inexorably dwaring you to an insanity, an insanity that masks itself as success, but leaves the rank aftertaste of summer holidays in Kefalonia (or Mallorca) flying Easyjet (or Ryanair).
Yes, muse proudly upon your acts, for you also are all responsible, and wear stripy shirts more often than is healthy.
May your souls find peace.
Laccy
(any chance of a couple of mammoth regiments to even up the score? ta)
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Laccy: Beautiful. Simply and absolutely beautiful. I save this term for special occasions (holidays and birthday parties) but for you I LMA right and clean O
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Posted By: GM Stormcrow
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 10:08
Laccy wrote:
Dear GMs
I trust you're all sitting around, reading this thread avidly while you sip your tea with five sugars, trying to remain on your seats in spite of the slippery warm moistness of excitement threatening to wash you off them.
Well, you should feel proud of yourselves, for creating this medium of slow torment to the unsuspecting wayfarer with a hook of gaming tantara, for providing the method by which the gratification sought after in the hearts of the hopeful is captured, then delayed before the finality of utter dismay.
How you can sleep at night, as the PayPal account kachings and total revenue crawls ever upwards, is a marvel to all zoo keepers in fine standing. Well, think on this, as you wake in the morning next to your significant other and head off, bleary-eyed with the fog of dreamy bliss, to your bathrooms to perform your morning ablutions, including shaving. Think on this, as you tread downstairs to break fast with your loved ones and watch morning television on ITV, not BBC, as they hang on your every mouthful, with nothing but utter respect for what they think you're doing, apart from eating thick-sliced toast with Marmite. Think on this, as you step out of your 3-bedroom semi, into your high-powered but reasonably-priced front-wheel-drive 3-year-plan executive saloon and activate your windscreen mounted GPS device. Think on this, as you negotiate the Swindon magic-roundabout and give the finger to the individual with the temerity to sound their vehicle horn in your direction, or was it the old lady in the Morris Minor? Think on this, as you sit in front of your terminal in the office, lavishly nurturing your instrument of domination of the masses, surrounded by pink and yellow Post-It notes. Take a break for lunch, then think on this, too, as you experience your mid-afternoon sugar lull and imbibe a caffeine-laden beverage, hot or fizzy. Consider this when, upon returning to your current domicile, you relish in the release of the day's labour. Ponder this, as you trudge through your regular exercise routines, and you realise that you're trapped in the machine too, and it has you, it has you and won't let go, it has you and is inexorably dwaring you to an insanity, an insanity that masks itself as success, but leaves the rank aftertaste of summer holidays in Kefalonia (or Mallorca) flying Easyjet (or Ryanair).
Yes, muse proudly upon your acts, for you also are all responsible, and wear stripy shirts more often than is healthy.
May your souls find peace.
Laccy
(any chance of a couple of mammoth regiments to even up the score? ta)
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My "tea with five sugars" is even now permeating the inner depths of my keyboard.
Thank you for brightening my day, Laccy 
Also, someone give that man a writing job.
SC
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Posted By: ivyleaves
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 13:54
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Just make sure it's a fiction-writing job, cuz I'm pretty sure the scene he painted bears little to no resemblance to reality.
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 14:12
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I'd love to see a poll to determine which side of this debate was the most effective. I'm curious what the majority of Illyriad players really do thing about this. Can you do polls in this forum?
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Posted By: Illyriad Admin
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 14:21
Shrapnel wrote:
I'd love to see a poll to determine which side of this debate was the most effective. I'm curious what the majority of Illyriad players really do thing about this. Can you do polls in this forum? |
I've amended the forum permissions (for the UK1 forum and UK1 Subforums), and registered members can now start polls and vote in them.
Best,
SC
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 15:07
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Thanks!
Edit: Poll is up.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 15:28
KillerPoodle wrote:
4) I think it's pretty sad that people feel they have to come up with this crap about us to justify having a go. I'd have a lot more respect for someone who just said "I wanna take on the largest alliance in the game and have some fun doing it, who's with me?" I'm fed up with all the rubbish being spouted about us so here's notice:
If you badmouth H? in Global or on this forum you might end up getting some game content from us that you might not like.
5) Finally, despite what The Resistance says above - anyone who participates in attacks against us or assists in the defence of our enemies is adding themselves to our potential target list.
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For the record.
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Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 15:49
Laccy wrote:
Dear GMs
I trust you're all sitting around, reading this thread avidly while you sip your tea with five sugars, trying to remain on your seats in spite of the slippery warm moistness of excitement threatening to wash you off them.
Well, you should feel proud of yourselves, for creating this medium of slow torment to the unsuspecting wayfarer with a hook of gaming tantara, for providing the method by which the gratification sought after in the hearts of the hopeful is captured, then delayed before the finality of utter dismay.
How you can sleep at night, as the PayPal account kachings and total revenue crawls ever upwards, is a marvel to all zoo keepers in fine standing. Well, think on this, as you wake in the morning next to your significant other and head off, bleary-eyed with the fog of dreamy bliss, to your bathrooms to perform your morning ablutions, including shaving. Think on this, as you tread downstairs to break fast with your loved ones and watch morning television on ITV, not BBC, as they hang on your every mouthful, with nothing but utter respect for what they think you're doing, apart from eating thick-sliced toast with Marmite. Think on this, as you step out of your 3-bedroom semi, into your high-powered but reasonably-priced front-wheel-drive 3-year-plan executive saloon and activate your windscreen mounted GPS device. Think on this, as you negotiate the Swindon magic-roundabout and give the finger to the individual with the temerity to sound their vehicle horn in your direction, or was it the old lady in the Morris Minor? Think on this, as you sit in front of your terminal in the office, lavishly nurturing your instrument of domination of the masses, surrounded by pink and yellow Post-It notes. Take a break for lunch, then think on this, too, as you experience your mid-afternoon sugar lull and imbibe a caffeine-laden beverage, hot or fizzy. Consider this when, upon returning to your current domicile, you relish in the release of the day's labour. Ponder this, as you trudge through your regular exercise routines, and you realise that you're trapped in the machine too, and it has you, it has you and won't let go, it has you and is inexorably dwaring you to an insanity, an insanity that masks itself as success, but leaves the rank aftertaste of summer holidays in Kefalonia (or Mallorca) flying Easyjet (or Ryanair).
Yes, muse proudly upon your acts, for you also are all responsible, and wear stripy shirts more often than is healthy.
May your souls find peace.
Laccy
(any chance of a couple of mammoth regiments to even up the score? ta)
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This is Laccy's World and all the rest of us need to just watch in awe and worship!
Absolutely hysterical! 
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:04
Shrapnel wrote:
Thanks!
Edit: Poll is up. |
Shrapnel, you must be more specific with your question in that poll.
"Are H?'s actions justified?" Which one?
Also, I think H? (or you quote H? explanation if H? representation refuse to do that) should make a post there to explain why they do that.
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Posted By: Starry
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:12
I've held my tongue for a long time but the bashing of H has reached an all time low.
I've known many in H for several years, played with them online and know their style of play. Yes, they play to win but they are not now, nor have they ever been, bullies. Harmless was one of the very few alliances that saw the need to help new players. As White/Black targeted new players, Harmless saw the need to protect these players. Any game that does not allow new players to grow and expand is doomed to failure, every game needs new players, the more the better. H saw this need and supported me in founding Toothless. We are a sister alliance to Harmless because in the beginning, our new players were attacked just out of newbie protection. Without the protection of Harmless these new players would have quit the game out of frustration. They have offered our members resources and the benefit of their expertise. No member of Toothless is required to join Harmless, if fact, our members are free to leave T to pursue whatever avenue they wish. To date, we've had T members join other alliances, found their own alliance or just go out on their own, only one has moved to Harmless.
This is an exciting game, the Devs are active and constantly improving it but without new players the game will become like many other games we've played. We all owe the Devs a debt of gratitude for bringing us a new, exciting and constantly evolving game. Before you paint H as the bad guys please remember they are helping protect new players (as are some other alliances). We must be doing something right at Toothless, new players are standing in line to get into our alliance. We offer them game guides, resource help and advice but most importantly, they can build and learn the game in peace thanks to Harmless. Sorry for the rant, but I never hear people commenting on the good that Harmless has done for this game and this post is long overdue.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:19
H? perspective is this:
If an alliance attacks us then we will respond and part of that response could involve capturing or razing cities.
Given what we went through at the start of the war I think we've been pretty restrained. The vast majority of White/Black members saw nothing from us at all and have been allowed to move on with no repercussions.
Those we have responded against haven't been significantly reduced in town numbers (with the exception of one or two of the worst offenders and those who were already inactive).
This game involves a mechanic whereby you can lose your cities, if that worries you, then you should think about who you attack before you do it.
Edit: I can't spell today.
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Posted By: Selexxa
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:26
rancor (noun) a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will; gall; rancour seriously? you don't have access to Google in Canada? I was directed here by an Alliance leader to read how things got started or whatever. Everyone seems to be afraid of H? and the repercussions stating anything about them will bring in game (by the way, much respect, fellas). I was a member of White, or Black, forget which one it was, but everyone started leaving. I would LOVE to be the Texas Ranger of the game and defend against the bullies out there, but it does seem complicated figuring which side is more righteous, and i'm never in any position in browser games to attack anyone anyway. Also, This may still be off-topic, but I did mention H? at least once, now twice, and a 7 page thread is GONNA SWAY A LITTLE-look THAT up
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:26
Starry, I am a new player too but H? drive me away from the game.
In my case, what makes H? different from White/Black?
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Posted By: bartimeus
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:35
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You have one 0 pop town. Thats not even new player, thats not even trying to play. You cann't have any troops with that, so H? wouldn't have done anything to you. I imply that you are lying.
------------- Bartimeus, your very best friend.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:37
As per your name - you are special :)
As for your experience with H? - you were inactive for over a month and assumed to have left the game. If you are intending to play and would like help to rebuild - send me a message in game.
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:48
Starry wrote:
I've held my tongue for a long time but the bashing of H has reached an all time low.
I've known many in H for several years, played with them online and know their style of play. Yes, they play to win but they are not now, nor have they ever been, bullies. Harmless was one of the very few alliances that saw the need to help new players. As White/Black targeted new players, Harmless saw the need to protect these players. Any game that does not allow new players to grow and expand is doomed to failure, every game needs new players, the more the better. H saw this need and supported me in founding Toothless. We are a sister alliance to Harmless because in the beginning, our new players were attacked just out of newbie protection. Without the protection of Harmless these new players would have quit the game out of frustration. They have offered our members resources and the benefit of their expertise. No member of Toothless is required to join Harmless, if fact, our members are free to leave T to pursue whatever avenue they wish. To date, we've had T members join other alliances, found their own alliance or just go out on their own, only one has moved to Harmless.
This is an exciting game, the Devs are active and constantly improving it but without new players the game will become like many other games we've played. We all owe the Devs a debt of gratitude for bringing us a new, exciting and constantly evolving game. Before you paint H as the bad guys please remember they are helping protect new players (as are some other alliances). We must be doing something right at Toothless, new players are standing in line to get into our alliance. We offer them game guides, resource help and advice but most importantly, they can build and learn the game in peace thanks to Harmless. Sorry for the rant, but I never hear people commenting on the good that Harmless has done for this game and this post is long overdue.
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H? is not perfect. Even someone with the best of intentions makes mistakes from time to time. This imo is one of them. It's a bit frustrating too that someone that you do think of as ordinarily reasonable even refuses to be open to the suggestion they may have made a mistake and instead become extrodinarily righteous, defensive, and not only that but threaten to attack everyone who thinks they made the mistake.
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:49
bartimeus wrote:
You have one 0 pop town.Thats not even new player, thats not even trying to play. You cann't have any troops with that, so H? wouldn't have done anything to you. I imply that you are lying. |
Bartimeus, I think no alliance will accept a player with 0 pop town.
I was member of Black (I use word "was" because, although I am still listed as Black member, I already abandon that alliance and also my Special One account). I had 3 towns at that time and H? attacked me, destroyed two of my towns and captured one of them, the smallest one.
Yes I am member of Black but what H? did to me is obviously too far and brutal. I was not a Black important member, not played significant role there. I am not different with H? members which H? claim that White/Black drive them out of this game.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 16:53
Special One wrote:
bartimeus wrote:
You have one 0 pop town.Thats not even new player, thats not even trying to play. You cann't have any troops with that, so H? wouldn't have done anything to you. I imply that you are lying. |
Bartimeus, I think no alliance will accept a player with 0 pop town.
I was member of Black (I use word "was" because, although I am still listed as Black member, I already abandon that alliance and also my Special One account). I had 3 towns at that time and H? attacked me, destroyed two of my towns and captured one of them, the smallest one.
Yes I am member of Black but what H? did to me is obviously too far and brutal. I was not a Black important member, not played significant role there. I am not different with H? members which H? claim that White/Black drive them out of this game.
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Did you miss my reply or just ignore it.
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:03
KillerPoodle wrote:
As per your name - you are special :)
As for your experience with H? - you were inactive for over a month and assumed to have left the game. If you are intending to play and would like help to rebuild - send me a message in game.
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After totally annihilated, I have no interest to play that account again. Obviously my 6 months of hard work has gone and no one can replace that. I can accept that I get attacked that hard because I was involved in that war. I sent my troops to reinforce Black/White member at that war although their amount is no more than 200 soldiers. However, destroying all my towns is really too far.
I still play in this game, with my small second account. I don't hate H? nor have hurt feeling with H?. I only want to remind you that what H? did in that war is actually no difference with White/Black did.
Thank you for your help offer but I don't need that. :)
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:08
Starry wrote:
I've held my tongue for a long time but the bashing of H has reached an all time low.
I've known many in H for several years, played with them online and know their style of play. Yes, they play to win but they are not now, nor have they ever been, bullies. Harmless was one of the very few alliances that saw the need to help new players. As White/Black targeted new players, Harmless saw the need to protect these players. Any game that does not allow new players to grow and expand is doomed to failure, every game needs new players, the more the better. H saw this need and supported me in founding Toothless. We are a sister alliance to Harmless because in the beginning, our new players were attacked just out of newbie protection. Without the protection of Harmless these new players would have quit the game out of frustration. They have offered our members resources and the benefit of their expertise. No member of Toothless is required to join Harmless, if fact, our members are free to leave T to pursue whatever avenue they wish. To date, we've had T members join other alliances, found their own alliance or just go out on their own, only one has moved to Harmless.
This is an exciting game, the Devs are active and constantly improving it but without new players the game will become like many other games we've played. We all owe the Devs a debt of gratitude for bringing us a new, exciting and constantly evolving game. Before you paint H as the bad guys please remember they are helping protect new players (as are some other alliances). We must be doing something right at Toothless, new players are standing in line to get into our alliance. We offer them game guides, resource help and advice but most importantly, they can build and learn the game in peace thanks to Harmless. Sorry for the rant, but I never hear people commenting on the good that Harmless has done for this game and this post is long overdue.
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I did loved the fact Toothless was giving new players a chance in this game. Only thing was, its was a sister allaince of H? and was also a target for White and Black members on their own will. Starry, you might even remember I tryed to do everything to keep the Black members from attacking Toothless members? 
(yes H? , this is also a post to defend myself from losing half my population.. But it is the truth, just wanted to clear that one up )
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:12
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did anyone notice that Cranks wrong doings have been changed from constantly harassing new players in h?, to bullying llyorn or whatever and holdig his account hostage, then again changed to being a leading member of black(in which I remember h? members or atleast the forum feeling sorry for, for being brought into a war they didn't know about but where still being punished)
also, I'm still waiting on evidence of Cranks multiude of attacks of the poor and defenceless of H? :D
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Posted By: The Resistance
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:14
I think everyone so far understands that White and Black were bad guys. Attacking newbies just getting into the game is obviously wrong, and I appreciate everything H? has done to help them.
But that doesn't mean that everything every H? member does is right, or that their sieges against Good are right.
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:16
-hypocritical- wrote:
also, I'm still waiting on evidence of Cranks multiude of attacks of the poor and defenceless of H? :D |
We will never see these logs. Only edited maybe? Photoshop is a very easy program...
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:18
The Resistance wrote:
Attacking newbies just getting into the game is obviously wrong, and I appreciate everything H? has done to help them.
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I'm not saying we should openly attack newbs, I'm just looking to see logs of Crank actually attackign masses of newbs :)
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:31
The Resistance wrote:
I think everyone so far understands that White and Black were bad guys. Attacking newbies just getting into the game is obviously wrong, and I appreciate everything H? has done to help them.
But that doesn't mean that everything every H? member does is right, or that their sieges against Good are right.
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Are you sure 100% that every one from White and Black attack newbies and no one from other alliances attack newbies? I was Black member and I never attack newbies, only one inactive player.
My reason to jump to this thread is I want that no more player is forced to quit playing this game.
This is a good game, I love it. If I don't love it I won't restart playing this game after completely destroyed. So, I hope all of us commit to maintain this game as a friendly game.
Guys, think about this, if every war solved by brutal end, a total annihilation, then no one will dare enough to start a war. What will we do in Illyriad if we don't have wars?
War is good but total annihilation is bad.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:34
-hypocritical- wrote:
did anyone notice that Cranks wrong doings have been changed from constantly harassing new players in h?, to bullying llyorn or whatever and holdig his account hostage, then again changed to being a leading member of black(in which I remember h? members or atleast the forum feeling sorry for, for being brought into a war they didn't know about but where still being punished)
also, I'm still waiting on evidence of Cranks multiude of attacks of the poor and defenceless of H? :D |
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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Posted By: KillerPoodle
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:38
Special One wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
As per your name - you are special :)
As for your experience with H? - you were inactive for over a month and assumed to have left the game. If you are intending to play and would like help to rebuild - send me a message in game.
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After totally annihilated, I have no interest to play that account again. Obviously my 6 months of hard work has gone and no one can replace that. I can accept that I get attacked that hard because I was involved in that war. I sent my troops to reinforce Black/White member at that war although their amount is no more than 200 soldiers. However, destroying all my towns is really too far.
I still play in this game, with my small second account. I don't hate H? nor have hurt feeling with H?. I only want to remind you that what H? did in that war is actually no difference with White/Black did.
Thank you for your help offer but I don't need that. :)
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You were inactive - and to all appearances not coming back. Not the same situation.
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Posted By: -hypocritical-
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:40
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
-hypocritical- wrote:
did anyone notice that Cranks wrong doings have been changed from constantly harassing new players in h?, to bullying llyorn or whatever and holdig his account hostage, then again changed to being a leading member of black(in which I remember h? members or atleast the forum feeling sorry for, for being brought into a war they didn't know about but where still being punished)
also, I'm still waiting on evidence of Cranks multiude of attacks of the poor and defenceless of H? :D |
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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XD keep guessing, this is my first time playing this game ;) I was never a part of white or Black, never attacked a member of h?
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:51
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody?
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:57
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? |
Fun times... Lets leave that line of thought behind eh? It'll do no good for anyone...
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Posted By: Special One
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:57
KillerPoodle wrote:
Special One wrote:
KillerPoodle wrote:
As per your name - you are special :)
As for your experience with H? - you were inactive for over a month and assumed to have left the game. If you are intending to play and would like help to rebuild - send me a message in game.
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After totally annihilated, I have no interest to play that account again. Obviously my 6 months of hard work has gone and no one can replace that. I can accept that I get attacked that hard because I was involved in that war. I sent my troops to reinforce Black/White member at that war although their amount is no more than 200 soldiers. However, destroying all my towns is really too far.
I still play in this game, with my small second account. I don't hate H? nor have hurt feeling with H?. I only want to remind you that what H? did in that war is actually no difference with White/Black did.
Thank you for your help offer but I don't need that. :)
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You were inactive - and to all appearances not coming back. Not the same situation.
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I login sometimes to check my situation. I finally choose not to fight back because my situation is already hopeless and hope that H? stop attacking me, but those attacks never stop.
I can guarantee that there I got more than 300 of incoming attacks and hostile diplomacy inbounds.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 17:59
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@Special One, throwing a message is super effective. Compared to waiting and hoping...
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:05
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? I am not amused
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You are not amused? Karl I love the fact you think anyone cares about your opinion.
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:07
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? I am not amused
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You are not amused? Karl I love the fact you think anyone cares about your opinion.
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See signature below
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:08
Zangi wrote:
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? |
Fun times... Lets leave that line of thought behind eh? It'll do no good for anyone...
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Well lets look at the evidence shall we: One player is saying X, the other Y. Neither has furnished evidence to support/contradict each others claims. Yet hypocritical is blindly waving the pro Crank/anti H? flag. The logical conclusion is an ulterior motive no?
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Posted By: Ethelion
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:12
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Since this thread seems to be so much fun, can I jump in and accuse Michael Jackson of being an ex-Black member?
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Posted By: Brids17
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:13
KarL Aegis wrote:
ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? |
As much as I enjoy reading all this drama I don't think this thread needs a troll...
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Posted By: Llyorn Of Jaensch
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:19
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
KarL Aegis wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Hypocritical: It is blatantly obvious you are an ex-White account. In future attempt to be more subtle with your guile. Your closed minded bias lacks credibility and unfortunately undermines your attempt to appear an impartial 3rd party.
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ooooo Make me out to be an Ex-White member now! How fun is it I wonder?
Can it happen to anybody? I am not amused
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You are not amused? Karl I love the fact you think anyone cares about your opinion.
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See signature below |
I apologize as I misread your signature as part of your statement. I get annoyed when sideline commentators who are not aware of the facts pass judgment is all.
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Posted By: Laccy
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:23
To celebrate its blasting into a tenth page, a prize will go to the person that is most able to creatively invoke Godwin's Law seamlessly into the thread.
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Posted By: Selexxa
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:28
OK. That's it. Everybody....stop. The only way to see who is right in this argument is to...Stop. Stop All hostilities. stop all war. you won't. Yet, you should. The posts on these last few pages generally appear to be posted in the attempt to let everyone else know how intelligently you can write. Fine. You're all very smart. If the hostilities would stop, however, then we would all get a rest. You all sound petty if you ask me, and while no one has asked me, i'm talkin now, so shut it. I figure it's pretty tough not to use your thousands of soldiers because, like i said before, they're just sitting around and you cant use em to build structures or gather wood. I know human nature says to attack something but for the sake of this post and all the badmouthing going on, you should probably...Stop. If you cease hostilities, i promise you, things will go back to normal. and before long someone will bust down a newbies door just out of protection. But then, we will ALL be watching. THEN we will know who the bad guy is for sure. Public opinion will sway to the side of the defender, and all this bashing will stop. But i'm betting you all can't do it. There are enough closed accounts out there to keep you war mongers happy until something real starts again. But you don't wanna do that, do you? It's more gratifying to siege someplace and make the other guy say UNCLE (means "I Quit") You're all so brainy i bet you didn't even finish reading this post before you started writing your reply in another window. Forget it. You're the reason people quit this game. You go to far and the posts here show it. and if you're not besieging someone then you're bashing them in here and other threads. Making sure you tell us what a fool EVERYBODY else is. No thanks, smart guy, quit typing. the only smart move is to...Stop. I propose Truce before somebody gets hurt. It'll only be a few more days before i can...lesee......Interlock my spears, so you don't wanna have to deal with that
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:34
Yeah, come on guys, murdering civilians is no way to be "just". They are just trying to make spears to defend themselves from flying rocks of doom.
------------- I am not amused.
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Posted By: Shrapnel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:35
+1 Selexxa I read the whole post before typing (thought honestly I almost started typing first.).
To celebrate its blasting into a tenth page, a prize will go to the
person that is most able to creatively invoke Godwin's Law seamlessly
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I'm usually pretty good at this, but this time I can't think of anything.
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Posted By: Zangi
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:36
@Selexxa So... thanks for sharing? You are credit to forums.
Pro-tip; try not to use big blocks of text.
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Posted By: Ethelion
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:49
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My bid for the Godwin's Law prize:
The use of the White/Black names is obviously trying to evoke Star Wars Stormtroopers. In turn the fictional stormtroopers represent Nazi soldiers. It is undeniably clear that White/Black was a Nazi force bent on the genocide of Illyriad's chosen people. H? then represents that American forces (and thus also undeniably - so don't you even try - the Good guys) with the various sister alliances being the other allied forces.
Now in the wake of that victory, H? has decided to mismanage its own economy and wage a war on terror against phantoms that don't exist.
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Posted By: CranK
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 18:52
Zangi wrote:
@Selexxa So... thanks for sharing? You are credit to forums.
Pro-tip; try not to use big blocks of text.
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This big block of text might have been just a expression of anger about the situation? :)
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