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Topic: Demonheart Mounts
Posted By: Tensmoor
Subject: Demonheart Mounts
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 19:22
I've been trying everything I can think of to find a way of being able to make the new Demonheart mounts with no success.

My experiments are all based on a town that has:
  • ALL research completed.
  • Has lvl 20 Paddock.
  • Has lvl 20 Horse Trainer.
So far I've tried:
  • Upgrading the lvl of the Kerebos medal - nothing.
  • Upgrading Tavern to lvl 20 in the hope of new quests - nothing.
  • Killing underworlders with a commander equipped with a racial mount (Battlebred in my case) - nothing.
  • Gathering all the items needed to craft a Demonheart mount - nothing.
  • Sending a racial mount + HoD to each of the College of Silence hubs - nothing.
  • Currently doing lots of quests (again) in the hope it will trigger a new discovery - nothing so far.
To the best of my knowledge there are only two ways that a town can gain the ability to craft an item:
  • Research
  • Discovery
Does anyone know of any other way of gaining a crafting ability (capturing a town doesn't count)? If so please post it here.

For the devs - can you please let us know if it is currently possible to make these mounts and (if you're in a generous mood) give us some pointers as to how (are we looking in the right sort of areas?).

Tens



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Posted By: Etherea
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 19:27
One of my members suggested the idea of maybe sending an HOD to the fortune teller?


Posted By: Etherea
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 19:42
had you seen this Tens?
https://assets.illyriad.net/www/ReleaseEquipmentNotes.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://assets.illyriad.net/www/ReleaseEquipmentNotes.pdf




Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 20:18
Originally posted by Etherea Etherea wrote:

had you seen this Tens?
https://assets.illyriad.net/www/ReleaseEquipmentNotes.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://assets.illyriad.net/www/ReleaseEquipmentNotes.pdf



Yup, can't find anything in there about how/where to make them though.


Posted By: Wartow
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 22:19
Do you have to climb REALLY high up in the Kerberos medal rankings?

http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events

I'm at Dominator of Kerberos I, but Lupia is at the next level of Annihilator of Kerberos I, does she have the discovery?


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Posted By: Lupia
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 23:47
I wish I did.  I'm a bit short on having the research done however.


Posted By: Kuldjargh
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 01:48
Don't believe that this will be likely, as you can't send caravans to the fortune teller.


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 18:02
Another failed experiment.

Attack a hellmouth with a commander equipped with a Battlebred and Fiendish Lance. Checked Discoveries, Researches and Paddock Production abilities. Np change to anything.


Posted By: Yitshak
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 18:19
There is a way to send stuff to the fortune teller, but I doubt it will work.

The way to do it is to send a diplo mission to her, then from the diplo movements page click on the co-ords of where the diplo's are heading (the FT) and select send resources. 

I am trying this (with little hope of success). If by some miracle it does work I will attack you all with demonheart thoroughbreds Wink

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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 00:51
Next experiment:

Sending both scouts & spies to the Fortress of Shadows and Temple of Reason. Hopefully some sort of relevant message ina bit under 2.5days.


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 12:56
Well that (very expensive) experiment failed. All Enchantment school spells cast. No new discoveries, researches or crafting abilities.

Many thanks to those that helped out with ingredients etc.


Posted By: Wartow
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 19:09
Originally posted by Wartow Wartow wrote:

Do you have to climb REALLY high up in the Kerberos medal rankings?

http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events

I'm at Dominator of Kerberos I, but Lupia is at the next level of Annihilator of Kerberos I, does she have the discovery?

I remain with the belief that climbing to the highest possible level of medal is necessary for this discovery.  Ultimately, it be 1.5 to 2.0 million hearts of darkness to reach Annihilator of Kerberos V.  It does appear that this "cost" will make the discovery very difficult.

I wish you all well with your alternative experiments.


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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 14:22
Another experiment done with nothing new.
Scouts and Spies sent to Omen in Calumnex. Spies reported nothing while the Scouts reported 201 Shadow Mages and 14010 HoDs. Subsequent skinners sent there found nothing they could harvest. Looks like the HoDs are unharvestable.


Posted By: Asvenger
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 16:28
This is an interesting mystery/discovery - especially since Audrey so disappointing. What about sending some configuration of evilly armed troops to the Rift or the Omen - both sources of evil. Kudos for making and testing the new defensive enchantments - the excessively high cost of the needed shards compared to the defensive benefit kept me away. Count me in for pushing the Demonheart Mount envelope  


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 06:59
Next experiment underway.

Kristaal pointed out that there are 20 non-Demonheart mount crafted items that use HoDs. This is the same number of crafting researches needed to get the basic racial mount discovery. Working on crafting each of those now.

For those interested the items are:
  • Possesed Falchion
  • Wicked Bow
  • Fiendish Lance
  • Hellborn Tunic
  • Darkheart Ringmail
  • Platemail of the Void
  • Plus the various Shards and Essences which I have already made.
Going to be a fair bit of alterations to the crafting buildings in my test town LOL


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 14:21
All items produced - nothing new.


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2019 at 15:37
Army occupying Fortress of Shadows. Commander has Battlebred & Fiendish Lance. No changes anywhere that I can see.


Posted By: Asvenger
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 04:50
Have you made all the essences and shards in the same town? I made all the essences in one town, no result, next will try shards in same town. Also, I just completed all the new researches in a town, no discovery reward.


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 05:52
Originally posted by Asvenger Asvenger wrote:

Have you made all the essences and shards in the same town? I made all the essences in one town, no result, next will try shards in same town. Also, I just completed all the new researches in a town, no discovery reward.

Yes. All essences & shards made in the same town. Also made one of each item using a HoD (except the Demonheart mounts obviously) in that town. All the experiments have been done in the same town which has all research done and both Paddock & Horse Trainer at lvl 20.


Posted By: Wartow
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 22:25

Fresh from the GC.


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Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 07:36
So need Famine management discovered to unlock demon horse? Hmm

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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 08:59
Not that i know of Josh. I think some folks have been not getting the Famine Management discovery when they should.
It could explain why I can't make them though :)



Posted By: Samalander
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 18:13
Cry. I don't want them to fix famine management .  Have it in 2 towns .


Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 01:46
Has anybody tried it from a city with the four racial mounts discoveries?


Posted By: Asvenger
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 01:59
hmm - I have one town that was elven and now human - has both racial mounts. Does anyone have a town with all four racial mounts?


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 07:50
I don't.


Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 11:51
I do ;-)



Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 11:53
I'll let some space for a horse trainer, and send to ditto city the necessary items to fit the needs of the relevant demoneheart


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 14:12
Originally posted by Hopper Hopper wrote:

I'll let some space for a horse trainer, and send to ditto city the necessary items to fit the needs of the relevant demoneheart

Thanks Hopper


Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 01:12
First try, no result!

Dwarf city with all four racial discoveries, Horse Trainer, all magic and crafting research completed.
Res inventory with necessary items for Demonhead battlemule…

Now trying to see if a horse item of the other three races changes the landscape (short of the shards necessary to build them, tho!)

tbc




Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 10:38
Re-reading the initial post: shouldn't we elaborate on the hint to a "ritual" in order to change racial mount into demonheart?

It could mean we have to get a magic discovery, unlocking a specific spell?


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 17:13
Sent thieves, scouts and spies to each of the different type of Hellmouths. Nothing.


Posted By: zolvon
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 13:49
That makes me wonder...

Has anyone sent scouts and/or spies to all the 4 mysterious spots,(Duraz Karag, Heart of corruption, Misted lands and The Rift) to have them all scouted/spied within a certain time frame. eg: within a day, week or month and with the appropriate research. ??

Bearing in mind that Duraz Karag, Audrey and the Rift all have multiple unusual squares.


Posted By: Salamander
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 04:23
  GM. Stormcrow said on GC that someone got it .  Then abandoned 



Posted By: Salamander
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 04:32

GM Stormcrow> @Gruul - It's quite high on my priority list. We actually have a player who got Demonheart Mounts, but subsequently abandoned. Now, that might be a programmitic issue, or it might just be that no one else has got there. But - X years on - I kinda think I need to look at it again.


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 06:24
Was that in his recent visit to GC Salamander?



Posted By: Salamander
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 22:33
last night right before I posted


Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 15:39
Interesting post of GM Stormcrow, indeed!

Who is @Gruul? let's find what he said, and entice a GM to tell "dem devious devs" to hint to a possibility of discovery.

A devious way of launching players towards another errand?
(berries, fruit, night diamond have been first hinted to, then much, much later implemented!)
(skysplinters have been launched, slightly tuned/amended...)

Let's keep a look!

In summary, we could still have fun playing this game, probably?


Posted By: Asvenger
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 03:42
that's the spirit - just a clue or two will kep us going for a long time


Posted By: Wartow
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 16:01
Anyone have the following combination in one of their cities?

Level 20 paddock
Level 20 horse trainer
Level 20 runemaster

And in addition...

How many of Hearts of Darkness in the city?
How many mana crystals (all varieties)?  What is magic ranking?
Some of each shard and essence present in the city?
  • The crystals were released at the same time as the new horses.
My fear... you must have enough Hearts of Darkness to ascend to the top level of the current "event":  https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events" rel="nofollow - https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events   

Lupia is up top (Annihilator) with Ryklaw who has abandoned.  Did anyone taking a Ryklaw city notice the discovery?



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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 21:13
Originally posted by Wartow Wartow wrote:

Anyone have the following combination in one of their cities?

Level 20 paddock
Level 20 horse trainer
Level 20 runemaster

And in addition...

How many of Hearts of Darkness in the city?
How many mana crystals (all varieties)?  What is magic ranking?
Some of each shard and essence present in the city?
  • The crystals were released at the same time as the new horses.
My fear... you must have enough Hearts of Darkness to ascend to the top level of the current "event":  https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events" rel="nofollow - https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Events   

Lupia is up top (Annihilator) with Ryklaw who has abandoned.  Did anyone taking a Ryklaw city notice the discovery?


Paddock, Horse Trainer & Runemaster all at lvl 20
338 HoDs in town - Queller of Kerberos III
At least one of each shard and essence in the town
6 of each Mana Crystals and Magic Ranking 455 (14,759,553)
No discovery and they have not silently been added to my production abilities.

Very unlikely that I will ever have the number of HoDs needed to get to Annihilator lvl so if that is what is needed I will retire from the chase.


Posted By: Hopper
Date Posted: 22 May 2020 at 10:39
Lots of open questions there!

Was it effectively Ryklaw who got the ability?

If this was linked with some leadership in HoD/Kerberos challenge? (In which case Lupia might have some sttory to tell!)

Demons announced with the mana crystals: would sending some, with (racial?) mounts to Audrey send back Demon mounts as Melders? (Did Ryklaw was active in the last — very disapppointing — Audrey activity!)


Posted By: Thor 2
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2020 at 05:32
i am scouring illy and checking the devs pockets for info if i find out ill post


Posted By: Lupia
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 13:52
Sadly no story to tell here, though I keep on gathering the hearts.  I have about 150k in storage now so 167k more to go to the next level...  I'll try out wartow's idea, knocking down cottages now.


Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 23:52
I think that Ryklaw is the player who unlocked the ability. It's just an educated guess, but based on his Kerberos ranking and the fact that he abandoned, I thin kit's pretty clear. There are still 4 Ryklaw cities under Ascn control. It's also possible that someone in Ascn already captured the city with the discovery.

Ascn, or someone in Ascn might very well have the city and its discovery. In my opinion, if only one player and city has ever achieved it, I think the owner of that player's cities should at least let the community know. Those cities are incredibly valuable -- perhaps the most valuable in the game -- and shoulld never get auto-deleted.


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Posted By: Wartow
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 18:41
I reviewed the growth charts for https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/Growth/180216" rel="nofollow - Ryklaw .  His build and trade scores are significantly higher than https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/Growth/258735" rel="nofollow - mine but the rest is comparable.  https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/Growth/259419" rel="nofollow - Lupia is also behind on trade scores but is closer to Ryklaw in build score than I am.  

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Posted By: Jejune
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 01:28
I think the only way to confirm if Ryklaw's Kerberos ranking is ultimately the thing that unlocks the discoveries is to crowdscourse HoDs into whoever is closest to achieving his rank and see if it unlocks the discovery. If we organized a multi-alliance effort to slay the Underworld and collect them into one pile of a person who is already close, we could probably find out quickly.

Who knows -- if the server went to war with the Tower, maybe we'd also unlock some other things?


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