The Iron/RE vs SMA war
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Topic: The Iron/RE vs SMA war
Posted By: Thirion
Subject: The Iron/RE vs SMA war
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 07:37
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Hello Illyriad, as you might know Iron/RE -
war alliances declared against SMA in the middle of a Seasonal
tournament that SMA won. There has been some discussion about the war
here http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/16may24-bugfixes-siege-blockade-occupy_topic11099.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/16may24-bugfixes-siege-blockade-occupy_topic11099.html . Discussions
about the war have nothing to do with the topic there - thus i believe
it makes sense to finally move it into a new topic. First lets do a recap about the war: 1. The situation in the beginning of the war Iron/RE
declared in the middle of the February tournament that SMA was winning.
Which meant that our Aindara/Westmarch players were out of troops and
the other SMA players had lost over 10m troops or probably around 70-80%
of their troops in the tournament. In the
beginning of the war in Aindara/Westmarch Iron/RE - war alliances with
30-40 war accounts and (potentially) cities full of troops were
attacking 4-5 SMA accounts without troops (because of the tournament)
and no or little experience in war gameplay. Iron/RE advantage in
Aindara/Westmarch was gigantic and it was obvious that you would do a
lot of damage because of the situation. Again
the situation in Aindara/Westmarch in the beginning: 30-40 experienced
accounts with troops against 4-5 accounts out of troops and no war
experience In the meantime our
bigger and more experienced players were in Elgea - with little to no
defense troops (because of the tournament). In addition to that long
distance warfare is a lot harder - as the reaction time is a lot longer. 2. Iron/RE and SMA approach to the war Iron/RE
started attacking cities in Westmarch and Aindara. They forced SMA
players to move out of Westmarch and put pressure on the Aindara cities.
They razed/captured around 20 cities from JimmyRTG - wo did not defend
himself. They also got some razes on some of our less experienced
players. According to them that is around 40 razes/exos. SMA
had 2 main goals: Clear Iron/RE outside of Aindara/Westmarch/Coanhara
and stabilize the situation in Aindara/Westmarch. We forced 30 Iron/RE
cities out of Elgea (by forcing exodus and razes) and also more cities
in the rest of BL. In addition to that SMA also
started moving cities / war wagons into Aindara and Coanhara. By now we
have well-protected clusters in both areas that are continuing to grow.
This is going to continue over the next few months. 3. The current situation Iron/RE only
has a cluster in and around Westmarch/Aindara/Coanhara left. SMA moved
quite a few cities to Coanhara and South Aindara/Kingslands/Kormandly.
SMA by now has two well-protected clusters and started running offensive
operations. Our majority of troops is still in Elgea and that makes it a
lot harder - but by now we should have more troops in Aindara then
Iron/RE has. SMA also stabilized the
situation in Aindara/Westmarch. There are less and lesser siege-attempts
from Iron/RE side and in the last weeks SMA got more razes then
Iron/RE. The longer the war goes the better the situation is going to be
for SMA. SMA already razed Iron/RE cities in
both Coanhara and Aindara - which was a lot earlier then i expected.
Iron is mostly out of troops and RE is quite low. In the meantime we are
moving more and more cities with troops from Elgea to BL. Summary: SMA stabilized the situation in Aindara/Westmarch and we are already getting razes in the main cluster of Iron/RE. 4. Major achievements on both sides - a Summary
I
am a member of SMA and thus the post might not be too neutral. Iron/RE
is welcome to make a statement about their point of view. In a conflict
it is always good to have the point of view of both sides. More information and statements to Iron/RE quotes in the following posts. Best regards, Ellania/TrollHunter aka Thirion
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Replies:
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 08:49
This post is kinda sad to read - as it shows that 1) Iron/RE apparently has no clue about their situation and "win conditions" in the war and 2) they do not seem to know about timed siege setups (which should be a core tool for war players). Lets go a bit more into detail and look at the statements made:
Asking someone to abandon is in my opinion quite sad. Illyriad is a small community and we need all the players we can get. Not bully them out and ask them to leave. As i already mentioned in GC abandoning Thirion had 2 reasons: 1) I thought Siggy would back down after the reason he started the conflict (Thirion) was out. 2) I knew i would either leave the game or fight. In both cases Thirion - another elf was usless.
As i stated in my post above Iron/RE had a gigantic advantage in the beginning in Aindara/Westmarch and there was nothing we could do. Any player that knows a bit about Illyriad, long distance warfare and "area control" knows that. In my opinion you got even less then i expected. You are bragging about "easy razes" where you heavily outnumbered the enemy both by account numbers and troops. Or where the enemy even did not fight at all. And even then you failed some. In the meantime we got multiple leadership razes - even close to your home cluster. You got one - that was a good (and in my opinion only) siege achievement in the war. You failed the King EAM siege - even though you put a city next to it and we did not prepare that move at all (mistake on our side).
Thats easy to answer. Iron/RE doesn't seem to "time" their sieges at all. It is kinda sad that i have to explain to war players how a "modern siege" is setup. Lets look at one of the most important source for war players in Illyriad: http://illywarmonger.blogspot.com/2015/10/siege-101.html" rel="nofollow - http://illywarmonger.blogspot.com/2015/10/siege-101.html
As you can see the armies should arrive "in sync" and "in the correct order". That is how most bigger sieges are setup - the armies arrive in a really short timeframe. As an example for my sieges all my defense units arrived in a window of 10 seconds and less. Why is that done? It reduces the possibility of the enemy outplaying you. It also means you are using your troops a lot more efficient. Most of the sieges i have seen from you would not have worked against bigger and more experienced players with some troops relatively close to the battlefield. Examples in the Iron/RE vs SMA war:
Some pictures in the next post. |
Roman Emperium wrote:Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 09:38
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Some pictures. All the pictures can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/7HJdz7z" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/7HJdz7z First a picture from the usual Iron/RE siege:  The point i am trying to make here: The siege is already there and reinforcements arrive over the next few days. Lets look at some timed SMA operations:   Both pictures from my first war wagon. More then 40 timed armies overall (2 were late because i wanted to take a nap). Also includes occupations around the city to claim long-distance Sov to avoid "siege cities".   Top: Siege message in GC (including timed take sieges). Bottom: My 2 real sieges on Orcasm arriving. Both of them got successful razes (which i did not expect at that time).  SMA sieges arriving in the Aindara siege. One city on the right exoed out. We got a raze on the other city. Note: We have more armies with different speeds here - thus the operation looks a bit less clean. They are arriving in a short timed window though. Bonus picture:  A bit older - how Stormstone Island used to look like. 2 cities already
razed - 3 more have been razed since then and King Sigerius did Exo out.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 14:17
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So you made a new thread to take eyes off of the question I posted in the other thread? No worries I will ask you here then. Don't worry, it's related to the RE/Iron vs. SMA war. Did SMA initially lie to the GMs about how you landed your cheat siege (which you yourself said in these very forums that SMA accomplished the siege by going under the UI) in order to buy SMA more time in the fight for Puffin, thus ending in the killing of your enemies cav which otherwise wouldn't have been spent? Or did you tell the truth and the GMs lied to RE/Iron upon the completion of their investigation? Because Iron's remote block happened AFTER the GMs said what you did and how you did it wasn't cheating.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 14:49
I did not answer the question because in my opinion that question can and should only be fully answered by the devs - as i do not know who the devs talked to. That said i did not talk to the devs about the siege and the topic before the remote blockade was put up. |
Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 17:02
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You mean 40 razes and 33 forced exodus? lol, Our operations have come to a halt or slowed? Our last operation was last week and than your member exodused . Also we did remove all your regional towns apart from Troll Hunters in coanhara which are clearly there as a trap , we`ll get to those when WE want to not when YOU want to. You lost millions in the last tournament? The entire tournament combined does not exceed 2-3 million at any giving time and that`s not all SMA troops= The days of MILLIONS of tournament troops dying died when it changed from yearly to every 3 months. A LOT of your accounts were still fully stocked with troops they DID not use at the tournament. As far as clusters is concerned RE has always focused on westmarch, therefore bragging you razed about 20 isolated towns in elgea which took your alliance an entire month to do is nothing to brag about, as far as orcasm loosing towns in coanhara that was due to the majority of roman cav returning from eagles siege . You took the advantage and quickly sieged it before we can arrive ( good job on that by the way, credit where credit is due. You say the whole war could have been avoided if Sigerius stopped, the war with RE could have been avoided if you stuck to the original agreement we made with you. In which RE agreed to exodus all Elgean towns, in return for SMA exodusing their towns in westmarch . It was a fair deal i would say that was agreed than broken by your leadership . RE is low on troops? I can assure you we`re not and you exodusing towns from our sieges proves that point as early as last week with Broadleaf running. You`re upset i told you to abandon because of the low player base? Um i do recall your leadership stating they will raze RE and Iron to the ground, I'm sure that`s good for the player base right?  What should have happened is you and Siggy fought your war in a 1 v 1 instead if you running into SMA and dragging them and others into a fight they clearly were not really interested in, you`re an account with 160 cities and Sig only had 9  Again on the timings, we razed eagles 30th city and that required weeks of extensive planning for both RE and IRON to land towns right next to eagle and for the sieges and troops to be launched BEFORE the city landed on TIME. And than here you come with your member landing a siege on Sig AFTER eagles city landed which should not be allowed, What RE did has been done numerous times over the years , what you did was cheat to try and save a town you still lost. And for an alliance of 20 million that`s shameful. War should be a fun affair , you`ve made it distasteful with your cheating and your threats to raze entire accounts, all members of the enemy side who reached out for terms were giving generous terms. We`re not here to force players out of the game only to clear our land claims which could have easily been done with negotiations . But you took the chance to drag your alliance into a war over your personal issues with land claims and King Sigerius, seriously get off your high horse. Respectfully, Roman Empire |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 18:00
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Thank you Roman Emperium for your post. You make it easy to point out your false statements.
This statement is kinda sad - as it is really really easy to prove that you are completely wrong. http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/TournamentSquares" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/TournamentSquares There are Casualties listed for each region. Lets look at the Casualties in the biggest regions:
"The entire tournament combined does not exceed 2-3 million at any giving time" Completely wrong. Even single squares do! I lost 2m Sentinels in the February tournament and Meat lost 2m Kobolds (those are the players i know the numbers - but we have a lot of other big players). There is a reason we have multiple players in the Defense Top 20. We are setup to produce and kill 10m troops every second tournament. Even more now because of the war (i can produce ~1m Sents and over 2m Kobolds per month). You might not like it - but thats big players in action.
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moved a lot of cities into South Aindara and Iron is currently Exoing
cities out of South Aindara. You forced SMA out of Westmarch - yes. But
our presence in Aindara has increased since the war started. That was our main focus in the beginning.
I stated the Elgea razes as a fact - in the end it is a finished achievement by us. Not too long ago we got our first raze in Aindara. With a blockade that did not work and thus extended the siege by a lot. That is something to brag about! When you are losing cities in your landclaim and are out of troops there then that is not a good sign.
There is a huge difference between asking someone to abandon and to raze someone to the ground. You can easily rebuild after. War players do not go for many cities to be able to rebuild fast. That is the whole point - right? Thus razing to the ground shouldn't be a big problem.
We didn't want a war. We want to play tournaments. You forced us into a war. Thus we have to make sure that this is not going to happen again. We talked already enough about the other points in GC. No point in repeating them over and over in my opinion.
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 19:42
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Everything is "kind of sad" for Thirion. You are a joke who tries to P2W. Also, you are completely arrogant. Who do you think you are to "make sure this doesn't happen again"? You think it is your job to dictate how the game is played? You speak like what you say is fact. We know this not to be true. Who are you trying to convince with your constant BS? |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 20:14
In the Iron vs RE war both sides approached me and sold me Prestige. You sold me at least 2 Tomes as far as i remember. So aren't you the same?
You attacked us. It is my right to defend myself, or not? For me that also means that i want to protect myself against future aggression. I like to play tournaments and help/teach players. That does not affect anyone negatively. I state my opinion yes - but i was never the first player to be aggressive against anyone. I am just reacting to aggression against me or my alliance. You declared a war against us. You are dictating how we have to play the game. But you are accusing me? All we asked was to leave us alone so we can do and play what we enjoy. You did not.
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 20:39
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The amount of prestige you spent to try to keep Eagle's city alive was sickening. Your alliance hacked the game to try to save it. You (and SMA by association) have demonstrated that you will play as dirty as you can to try get an advantage. Including newb ringing players and demanding prestige from the same players to not newb ring them. You should try to learn from your betters. We didn't want a war with IRON when they declared on us. When IRON said they had enough, it wasn't an issue. Because war is part of the game. And no one hacked the game during our conflict. And then, out of mutual respect in how we fought each other, we became allies. But you think that you need to make sure no one ever declares war on SMA again? Good luck with that. Your behavior makes you a target.
You will need to newb ring me if you want to "protect [yourself] from future aggression". The hypocrisy and arrogance you have demonstrated during this conflict disgusts me, and Illyriad is not big enough for the two of us. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2024 at 21:10
I like to be efficient and i like to be prepared. My first 5 years of playing the game i was never running negative gold over the whole account (which is different now). I made a lot of gold (probably 100-200b) over the last years and invested that in advanced resources, gear and Prestige. That is where the majority of the Prestige i used came from. That said, i also buy some Prestige because i want to support the game.
Both Iron and RE wanted a hard landclaim (i.e. forcing players to move out). That had nothing to do with me and would have happened without me in the game.
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 01:28
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Everyone who has asked me personally to stay in Aindara has been able to stay in Aindara. [Iron] did not begin any operations until after March 8 as stated previously in the forums. My throbbing land claim is a direct result of Thirion's aggression against me, as stated on the [Iron] alliance profile. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 01:31
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Before 60 cities was even allowed , during the consone war a great exodus of players left the game once they were razed to the ground by the `` peaceful`` alliances. Asking someone to rebuild is no simple task especially if they don`t use prestige so what they do to ? abandon especially since there`s lack of content and activities in this game . Not everyone buys prestige in this game , just show`s how delusional you are, but than again I'm not shocked ``peaceful players`` love genocide the most. The level of cruelty shown came back to bite them in the long run as it made long standing enemies instead of friends, this is why I respected Stukahh, you fought your war and came to light terms once the enemy was done and depleted, we became close friends with him afterwards.
I`m fairly confident you will fail regardless ,but i`m glad you said that as it show`s you and SMAS true colors when it concerns driving players from the game. Just admit by the way you wanted the war , stop acting like the victim here.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 07:01
We asked for a "soft landclaim" (i.e. cities there are grandfathered in) and we would have been fine with that. King Sigerius said no. Why?
Lets look at what happened:
Summary: King Sigerius declared war and Iron/RE sent the first attack. I abandoned Thirion and still Iron/RE declared war. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 07:26
1) So essentially you are saying you knew how we would react and you still decided to be aggressive against us? Isn't that on you then - as you knew the terms before? Why attack us when you are not fine with the terms? 2) To quote dogstar: You will need to newb ring me if you want to "protect [yourself] from future aggression". To me that looks like like we have to newb-ring you to get what we want. How is that on us when essentially you are asking for it? 3) From the beginning we offered all Iron/RE players to drop the alliance and we would not consider them war runners. Iron/RE players had the chance to get out without anything negative happen to them multiple times. That said, i have helped a lot of players build up in the game. I am going to help all SMA players with that after the war and i am also willing to help most Iron/RE players building up again.
Why attack us then? Why not leave us alone and let us do what we want? Why not attack another war alliance that wants to fight and have a fun war with them (benefitting both alliances)?
Multiple ITG/SMA/FDU-S players abandoned already because of your war declarations. Iron declared war on 3 major Training Alliances (ITG, KELTS, ACHE) Iron/RE started the aggression. We offered Iron/RE players an easy and free out multiple times. Iron/RE are the aggressors and bullies. We are defending ourselves. In my opinion the true colors are shown quite well.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 08:35
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There is another important point i would like to make.
I tried multiple times to get to a "fair" and "friendly" war. Unfortunately that was not what King Sigerius wanted. 1) In the negotiations King Sigerius offered me the following deal: Thirions new account joins Iron and Iron is not enforcing a hard landclaim for SMA in Aindara. I was fine with that. Then later he asked for an additional escrow. I was not fine with that. 2) I offered King Sigerius a "fair" war. Which for me meant players that want to fight on both sides with equal city sizes. With rules both sides agree on. King Sigerius said no. I also offered multiple war alliances the following deal (and after the war that deal is open to any alliance that wants a war): Contact me if you want a fair and fun war for both sides. I am going to make a new alliance of players that are willing to fight your alliance (including me). We also find rules for the war that both sides agree on (i.e. no noob-ringing ... or even no-razing if that is what you want). Lets go !! My goal over the last years has always been the same: Protect peaceful players in SMA that want to be left alone. Help and teach players. Create fun content for everyone (including war players).
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 13:15
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It actually looks like the war is over. Mission accomplished. You should surrender. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: bzn
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 16:09
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that is cool and all, but, <insert incendiary comment which forces thirion to spend an hour typing an essay> hope you will consider this, bazoon
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 16:48
Unfortunately i have no idea why the war would be over. Our mission is far from accomplished. I am still moving cities and haven't fully started yet. Short distance is going to make the war a lot more fun - at least for us. Can't wait to get the production up to 100k Kobolds per day. There has been quite a bit of talk about honor and "real warriors". When the war started our players in Aindara/Westmarch were mostly out of troops because of the tournament. After all we won the Westmarch square in February. Iron/RE knew this. Still they declared war on us and attacked those players. Around 5 accounts with no/little war experience and out of troops against 36 accounts with war experience and troops. That is neither a fair nor an honorable fight. That is in my opinion not something a good and skilled warrior would do. That is what a griefer would do. They took around 20 cities (i think) from JimmyRTG - who did not defend against a single siege. Bullying and razing a player that is already down. There is no honor in that. Our players in Aindara/Westmarch put up an amazing fight. They did not want the war. They had almost nothing. They still made it hard for Iron/RE. They managed to make it hard for Iron/RE and bought a lot of time. That is something to be proud of. They are in my opinion the unsung heroes of this war! Why am i talking about this? In my opinion Iron/RE is going to be out of troops soon. As usual there is going to be a lot of complaining. Lets see how Iron/RE is going to handle that situation. They should remember that they didn't stop when they were the attacker.
I like spending hours on typing an essay and also long walks on the beach. Is there something wrong with this?
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 16:59
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There is no honor in that. must be referring to when SMA newb rung a non-military player after breaking our truce. You are so full of BS, I need a N-95 mask just to respond to your posts.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 17:08
SMA made clear in the beginning that we would attack all enemy cities. After all you declared on us and started the aggression. There would have been multiple possibilities to solve the issue on your side:
Unfortunately you failed to do that. In my opinion you shot first and then wondered, were surprised and complained that we were shooting back. |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 17:23
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Do you have anything worth fighting over anymore? We got what we wanted already, do you have more to offer us? ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2024 at 17:40
SMA's possibilities included: 1. Not breaking the truce that your alliance entered within days of the war starting 2. Not Newb ringing a hunter/gatherer player 4. Not demanding payment of prestige to not newb ring that same player 3. Not using GDT to cheat during the war. SMA lost any claim to "honor" after it choose to use GDT to hack the game during the war. Regardless of the outcome of the war, your alliance's reputation has been irrevocably damaged by your actions. In cheating, you have already lost. |
Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 02:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWq_48LxWQ%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWq_48LxWQ
Dedicated to Thirion ------------- KS |
Posted By: viperone
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 05:54
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look we already know unequivically that sma cheated the result of which gave them a huge advantage troop wise...that being said its just a matter of time till they newbie ring Iron which seems to be their priority....one thing i learned is that those here who are friends truly arent...speaking specifically to snags/roland....all good...my real life with my wife dying of terminal cancer moderates my response somewhat that being what it is.....their are still some great players/friends in this game....this game being my distraction from my real stressful and depressing life ...so be it....if i were a new player reading this post I would definitely NOT join SMA....they have shown their true colors here...sadly....players willing to newbie ring an entire alliance to prove their supporitiory...all good as my alt Opinion was a throwaway account in the first place..a farm, harvesting account second.' Unlike some SMA members I dont multi account nor have permasats with shared passwords...anyone joining them needs to be aware of their integrity which as far as I am concerned is zero. I felt bad for Eagle and his RL situation if real...but then that is me....am real...speak honesty if proven wrong here will admit it in GC...so how does one share their disappointment in some players here...give em the benifit of the doubt or call them out for who and what they are.....all good though glad I am now in SkB with some real, honest, and decent players
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 07:07
King Sigerius also wanted to make Aindara a hard landclaim (i.e. forcing other players out) with only Iron cities and cities supporting Iron there (i.e. either pay 100m gold per month and/or supply gear/advanced resources). Doesn't look good there - seems to me like you are losing hard on that front.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 07:24
You started the aggression. You declared the war. And then complain (King Sigerius would say "cry") all day when it doesn't go like you wanted it to. You expected us to back down and not fight. You expected us to be bad at war. Unfortunately we did decided to fight and SMA is overall a lot better then Iron/RE. A lot more troops/production and better setup operations. You took a huge gamble and to me it seems like you are losing. That is on you - not us.
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Posted By: Dingo
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 08:35
Nothing is as comical as gloating that you're so much better than your opponents but needing to resort to cheating to win. Nothing like using aim bot/wallhacks to demonstrate to your oppoents that you are better. You know Therion most people don't really care about who did what, what started, was it justified etc. But what we do care about is that your alliance cheated and the devs did nothing. In others games when you wallhack/aim bot the devs ban you, but in this one because its been endorsed for so long they don't ban you. This makes new players really want to play the game, NOT. SMA single handedly killing Illyriad.  ------------- Woof! |
Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 08:58
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An alliance that`s so much better and so confident they will win that they resort to cheating and constant forced exodus of their towns yes they`re very confident . When you`re a 20 million alliance pop and resort to cheating on someone 1/5th their size tells you all about them and how ``good `` they are
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 09:00
We've even got some SMA towns to exo twice LOL.
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Posted By: Sif
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 09:55
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Things are pretty obvious... SMA leadership drag their team to a war and not accept King Sig terms cause they was feeling confident that going at the gym and having big muscles... When they find out that RE/IRon knows kick boxing and they will kick their ass even having big muscle they hit under the belt.... Well guess what SMA if you kick under the belt mitgh gave you some advantage... But thats only until the pain leave.... After......... So advisly not wise move to say that you will be newbering as all
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 12:46
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>What do you have left to take? >I'm broke looooooooooooooooooool ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Sif
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 13:27
| Do not know .....your soul I guess.... |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 16:21
We can say the same about some Iron/RE towns. Even worse, they had to exo out of Iron/RE landclaim.
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 16:33
You can say it, but it is yet another lie. No surprise that you lie so freely, given that you are willing to hack the game. Zero cities have exodused from the RE landclaim. You are the biggest loser I have ever seen. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 16:44
Iron/RE have exoed cities into Aindara and then exoed them there again. You are correct - i should have been more specific - nobody got forced to exo out of RE landclaim (yet). Iron/RE have acted in union and have moved multiple players in between - thus i personally consider them as one alliance by now. That is why i was not more specific.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 16:55
Iron/RE exos happened to chase your towns from one point to another. The only forced exo you achieved was during the Eth siege where, instead of focusing on two cities under siege, we exo'd one and fought the other. You're just a habitual lier. "SMA moved cities out of REs reach due to the butt kicking we got and they exo'd after us. So SMA forced them to exo as well guys".
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 16:55
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i personally consider them as one alliance [/QUOTE]
I don't care what you personally consider. The reality is that RE and IRON are different alliances. RE has never claimed Aindara. The RE claim is Westmarch. If you need to educate yourself as to each alliance, feel free to visit the alliance pages of each. If you are ignorant as to what alliance is landclaiming which territory, there is a forum topic on this with a map to assist if you are a visual learner. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 17:04
It depends on what you consider "forced". Kysuruk exoed a city from TLW to South Aindara when we were putting pressure on it and when we continued to put pressure on the city he moved it to Westmarch a few weeks later. Opophis moved and is moving his South Aindara cities more north after some pressure.  |
Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 18:39
I would consider being pushed out of your home, where you spent 30+ terras to make it your own (Broadleaf) only to be relocated in what could be called a glorified refugee camp that's under constant attack, a forced exo. I would consider hastily moving your towns 200 squares away then rebuilding in another area of the map two regions over a forced exo (Hendo7/Fred). I would not consider the repositioning of captured cities (I alone have taken 5 SMA cities that I am now using to fight the war as nomadic army platforms, which is less than you've razed all together) to address threats as they evolve a forced exo. If we move a nomadic city that's sub 12k pop from one hot zone to another in order to fight in another theater, not forced. If we move a main city that's 22k+ pop away from the conflict in order to get reprieve from a fight we cannot win (like SMA has done 39 times), forced exo. The entire point of a forced exo is reducing your enemies ability to fight through forced building level reduction as well as applying pressure by means of resources and pres to rebuild what they've lost. You are holding the exo of war cities designed to mitigate such loss above your head like it means something, we are pointing to the exo's of the members you used as cannon fodder to buy you time who wised up and moved out of the danger zone. In exo's alone Broadleaf lost 70k pop and 27 terras he used to make his area his home. Add to that the razes he suffered and it's an additional 16 terras, 3 towns, and 60k+ pop lost. Who in Iron/RE have you made hurt in a similar way? This message has been brought to you by "SMA Lies Too Much" council.
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Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 19:32
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Message the Sage for individual surrender terms. He is a merciful Sage. ------------- KS |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 19:33
First a more general statement: SMA is currently attacking into the enemy home cluster and their "economy". Every Iron/RE exo is a win for us - as it reduces your ability to build troops. And especially for Iron that is the limiting factor at the moment. At the moment i consider all SMA cities in Aindara and Westmarch war cities. They do not have to produce troops. Our main troop production is safe and secure outside of the war region (e.g. in Elgea). We are moving more and more troops into the region with our Exos. Second our Aindara/Westmarch members that lost population: They are already getting quite a bit of Alliance Prestige to build up again. After the war we are going to focus more on that and build up every player (that wants to) to more cities then when the war started. Big and/or rich players supporting the new and small ones. That was always important for players in SMA! I built up 2m population in a bit over a month with TrollHunter. Do you really think 70k lost population really matters - when we are going to build that up again after the war in a few weeks? 
Orcasm was down to 1 useful city and 3 non-zero cities when he abandoned. That account was useless.
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Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 19:34
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Message the Sage for individual surrender terms. He is a merciful Sage. I trust there will be no issues in negotiations, like I expected when the war started, but never was negotiated with. ------------- KS |
Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 20:08
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Forums are being weird, my first one told me it didnt post :P While I'm here If I could write you a song to make you fall in love, I'd already have you up under my arm. ------------- KS |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 20:19
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I just found this gem:  Looks like i should update my signature
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 21:02
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>>At the moment i consider all SMA cities in Aindara and Westmarch war cities.
News flash: There are no SMA cities or SMA members in Westmarch. Haven't been since we enacted #SMAPURGE2024. You are always welcome to send some new ones. They will be greeted appropriately.  |
Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 21:11
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[/QUOTE] I built up 2m population in a bit over a month with TrollHunter. Do you really think 70k lost population really matters - when we are going to build that up again after the war in a few weeks? [/QUOTE] Yay, you know how to buy prestige and speed build. You're special. Really.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 21:27
No worries - there are going to be SMA cities in Westmarch rather sooner then later. At the moment you are not the priority though.
Thank you.
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Posted By: Sif
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 22:40
| Speed that up plz we can not wast our time to travel times |
Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 23:40
Was Broadleaf and Hendo7/Fred aware of this SMA outlook when the war started or was the initial attack on them and loss of their cities/built up homes just part of the plan to provide a buffer for SMA leadership to move?
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Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 00:09
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Also an official announcement from the empire to ALL SMA members, if you do not wish to participate in a war Thirion and your leaders dragged you into, reach out to our leadership. We`re not looking to force anyone out of the game or ruin your gameplay experience . We`re reasonable as our past discussions with some FDU members and our recent peace agreement with FDU has shown. I would not be shocked if your leaders are brainwashing you into thinking we are out to raze you all, that`s not the goal here. Respectfully, Roman Empire
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Posted By: Dingo
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 04:59
Thought posting private chats and igms on forums were an offense? ------------- Woof! |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 07:01
I do not really understand the question. We were trying to de-escalate the situation for quite some time. You still declared war and asked SMA/ITG/FDU-S to move out of Aindara and Westmarch. There was nothing more we could have done there. The best case would have been that SMA "only" moves all cities out of Aindara/Westmarch. The worst case would have been that we move out all cities but you break the deal again and attack us anyway. Considering that King Sigerius wanted conflict and a war the second option would have been a lot more likely in the long run. In the end King Sigerius has shown that he likes to be aggressive and declare wars against anyone.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 07:12
I just checked "Terms & Conditions" and "Code of Conduct & Rules" and i could not find anything against that. Let me know in case i am wrong and i am going to remove the picture. Doxing (i.e. sharing private information about other players) is not allowed. As an example sharing some personal information about another player (like name, address and so on) is not allowed. As far as i know and understand posting ingame information (e.g. negotiations) is allowed. Personally i do not see a problem with this - as it is game "content" after all. But as i said, in case i am wrong please inform me and i am glad to remove the picture.
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Posted By: GM Duran
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 07:32
Forum Specific:
An IGM is considered private correspondence between two players. Please avoid doing so in the future.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 08:41
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Thank you. I deleted the picture.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 10:55
Someone neutral thought it might be a good idea to put up some numbers from SMA side. First: Around 20 of those supposed 40 Iron/RE razes where against JimmyRTG - who did not defend himself. He saw the first attack and then didn't log in for weeks. Some SMA numbers:
Some additional numbers:
Iron/RE had a huge positional and regional troop advantage in the beginning. Considering that i expected the numbers to be a lot worse for us. |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 13:10
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How about you apologize like a real man ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 14:16
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Rules for me but not for thee ------------- KS |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 16:52
I apologize that i posted a picture from an ingame message someone sent me.
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 17:52
You're a bit of a troll, aren't you? I was told that the you altered the message before posting it. Not surprising that you would alter a message to troll since you already altered the HTML of the game. You have demonstrated there is no level too low for you to stoop in order to gain any perceived advantage. I am not sure why you are still playing the game - you should have been disqualified for cheating by now.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 19:49
The sentence was written exactly as i posted it. I removed the not relevant parts of the message. I am glad to send anyone the original message - just send me a message. Unfortunately i am not allowed to post it here. At the time the statement was made i was supposed to join Iron - thus the nice words.
I never used GDT or anything similar to edit HTML code (or to be more precise the POST data). Just more slander and lies. |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 20:08
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Just because you call something slander doesn't make it slander. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 20:13
What would you call lies and false statements to damage someones reputation then? English is not my first language and i am glad to learn a better word.
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Posted By: Rill
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 23:44
With regard to choice of words, if a statement is made on an online forum such as this, that is considered publication. When material is published (vs. spoken), the correct term would be libel rather than slander. However, this distinction is a legal one that is not germane for rhetorical purposes for which it is applied here.
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 05:01
The technical term would be, "Doing the Thirion". ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 08:13
In my opinion "Doing the Thirion" would be rather one of the following:
Considering how the trolls and bullies in this threat reacted i do think i did a good job - thus 3. might be fitting here? I like the general idea though. Maybe some more suggestions:
Did i forget anyone? |
Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 08:26
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Get me the curly straw... or the bendy straw, I forget which one. It's probably the curly straw. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Sif
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 11:51
| That's offensive... My ideas always work....... and it s tottaly benifiitial and safe to adopt them..... as long as you do not try to make them work |
Posted By: lsxrule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 14:03
That is hilarious and accurate! This might be my first forum post in many years, maybe ever. First off, very sorry to hear about Viperone's RL issues, that we always take seriously. On a war note: When it came to the negotiations at the beginning of the war, that was handled by Eagle and Thirion. I seen that war was declared on us, to which I sent sieges within hours on close local red towns. My sieges landed and Sig was still trying to demand crazy gold for our towns to stay in Aindara. I heard they had a temp cease fire, they wanted a week, I gave them the 12hr setup time to figure it out and stop with the crazy demands. They failed, all close red towns burned. I did give the player lots of time to exo out but no attempt to exo was made. We then moved on to Sigs city in Arran and razed it as well as all of Stormstone Island and the rest of Elgea enemy towns. In the meantime Iron/Re picked on our small inactive player who did not log in to fight. During that time we also caused all Iron players on poisoned Isle to exo. At that point we decided to take the fight to their homeland and started moving cities into Kingsland as a base camp. As far as cheating, we only did what Iron did and were cleared by the Devs. Our siege had 0 effect on the war as it was only a very small army 10k or less that was never going to stay there and was killed quickly as intended. If it was meant to be real, we would have sent more obviously, more of a demo you could say. Irons cheat however cost us a city and many troops and a lot of prestige building after continuing to break their blockades. Finally Iron realized they were not able to take Eagle's town without the ultimate cheat, placing a blockade 1000 squares away but yet on his town. There was no way we could travel 1000 squares to break it, so it was lost. Hopefully the Devs have corrected all the loopholes and we can have an honorable battle like the old days but maybe some peace terms will be met. Regards |
Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 15:36
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So I'm not sure if Isxrule is only talking about RE or IRON or both we had eagle literally mailing Sigyn thinking it was Sigerius and Iron for a while, not sure what were the interactions between iron and sma. I do however know and have the interactions between RE and SMA ( Mails) , a ceasefire had been agreed while negotiations on a potential peace settlement could be reached. Sigyn and Eagle agreed on RE moving Elgean cities while SMA removed Westmarch cities which were not numerous . Both sides agreed than Isxrule turned about face and wanted to go forward with a raze on a siege he landed on Donna- Instead of recalling and ceasing hostilities as RE did. That`s what broke the agreement because of Isxrule. Also you claim to hate extorting people but several of you literally demanded prestige from Donna and Ney in return for individual cities being saved lol? You`re no better in that regard. As far as your cheating siege, yes it was against the game rules. What RE did has been done numerous times over the years , what you guys did was clearly cheating . Also just 10k troops? it was parked in a city packed with 1.5 million troops during your desperate attempts to save Eagles city.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:00
I see SMA is still having the trouble remembering the facts as per usual, that's okay, I can help you out. RE entered into negotiations with SMA with a temp cease fire that was agreed to by your leadership. Under this temp cease fire all RE armies were recalled/postponed from sending and all SMA armies were to be recalled from RE towns. You, lsxrule, used this time to tighten your grip around an RE citizen who had yet to still launch an attack on any member of SMA, even the active sieges on her towns, because we ordered her to hold under the terms of the cease fire. What you are conveniently leaving out is that SMA agreed to a cease fire with RE and used that time to further military operations against us, intentionally breaking the cease fire after SMA had time to move military units into place. I sat Donna from the second armies were sent against her and made a very small window for her to exo only two towns as ALL of her towns came under immediate attack, SMA offered no option for her to surrender or exo. In fact, SMA tried to extort our members hours after they broke the cease fire. All of these actions where then upheld by SMA leadership instead of condemning them as they should have. The argument of us not being able to help either way due to distance is pure ignorance. The formations we have at our disposal were formations we built up during the RE vs. Iron war. Formations that have eaten 100k waves of your cav while barely taking a scratch as you saw with the siege on Eagle. These are the very armies that were held off on the defense of Donna (the player you are referring to in this quote). Had they been present then SMAs situation would look ALOT worse as they struggled to clear the remaining towns in Elgea and Stormstone Island over the next few months. Now add to that the enormous loss of troops you would've taken if you didn't agree to a cease fire only to gain the upper hand. SMA has been proven that they cannot be trusted at their word.
RE and Iron's walled sieges were done with game mechanics that the devs still allow to this day and were cleared of all cheating. There was no cheating with the siege on the town of "Puffin", as stated by the devs themselves, from RE/Irons side. SMA even tried to land a counter siege on open plains only to be out played again and have that siege hit almost immediately upon landing by the 500k+ cav we had on standby for this op. It was at this time that SMA launched their cheat siege as they couldn't handle being outplayed and knew it was only a matter of time before they lost the town. The cheat siege was tearing down the wall defending our legitimate siege so we had no choice but to act when the devs refused to. The 500k+ cav on standby was forced to slam into the wall protecting the cheat siege in order to prevent the counter siege to our walled siege. RE/Iron waited for DAYS under a CHEAT SIEGE for the devs to properly respond. During this time we held off on landing coordinated blocks (which we had more than enough troops for) because it was clear that SMA cheated and the devs would punish them for it. DAYS of investigation by the devs (while RE/Iron spent both in game and out of game resources fighting a cheat siege) lead to "SMA did not cheat, they used the UI the same as anyone else in a way that was available for anyone to use, there will be no punishment". This as we all know now was a blatant lie (either SMA lied to the devs preventing the devs from making the correct decision or SMA told the truth and the devs lied to RE/Iron. Which is is lsxrule?). RE/Iron already knew at the time it was a lie and when the devs refused to do anything about the cheat siege or the damage it had done, Iron then decided to remote block SMA using the very same method SMA used to land the cheat siege. If the cheat siege would've never landed then RE/Iron would've had two weeks to bash the town of "Puffin's" wall and buildings. We had two sieges full of engines that were, after 3 days, hitting with 100% accuracy. This means that Eagles walls went from lvl 20 to lvl 0 twice every hour as well as his buildings taking 60 hits per hour. I estimated that SMA had to spend 3600 pres a day to keep his city alive between pres building and caravan speeding, which was the goal. This should've continued for two weeks as we hit with elite troops, thinning out SMA's regional defensive troops as failure to defend eagles town with troops would lead to his raze almost immediately. Instead that time was cut in half due to the cheat siege. Even after all of this SMA still had the nerve to petition the devs and have us give back Eagles town. Where the devs aware of SMAs cheating at that time or was SMA still lying about the whole things? Proof that SMA will cheat even if they have the size advantage just to not take a single loss. Anyone who has ever taken 2nd place to them during a tourney should be outraged by this. This has been brought to you by the "SMA Lies To Much" Council.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:26
Your argument doesn't make sense at all. But well, you also made the argument that Seasonal tournaments have total casualities of 2-3m troops. What else would someone expect. 1) As long as there are 4m troops in the city there is no need for Prestige building. Only when the city is cleared you need to keep the population up. We only started heavy Pres building once the city was cleared and before that we mostly built up the wall. You can see that on Eagles growth chart. 2) The more time we have the more troops we are getting down from Elgea. We had both more reinforcements and clears on the way. Thus more time is better for us. You have seen our Elgea troops. After 2 weeks we would have sent a crazy amount of clears and defense there. Your initial plan would not have worked at all. And it would have been a lot better for us.
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Posted By: lsxrule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:39
| Our siege inside the city had 10k troops, that’s it! Not sure where you got your 1.5m troops from, more Iron Propaganda and lies. |
Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:43
Do you like lying or just hearing yourself talk and don't really care what you say? The city was depleted of Elgea troops quickly thanks to our multiple waves of 200+ elite hits. You were forced to reinforce the city with local troops which is exactly what we wanted as those troops had to endure even more waves of elite hits at horrible ratios. Before your cheat siege even landed you were prestige building so keep lying I guess. After your cheat siege you were press building to the tune of 3600+ press daily. Why if you have 4M troops that we "could never hope to clear"? As for your statement of "more time equals more troops"? Yeah that was clear when you sent 200k cav from Elgea to die and didn't even make a dent in either of our two sieges. Add to that the time WE lost waiting for the devs to punish SMA for their cheat siege and your argument is moot. Our troops were closer by almost weeks and would've made the difference much faster but were held back from blocking due to your cheat siege and RE/Iron wrongfully assuming the devs would punish you.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:47
The cheat siege army may of had had 10k troops (allegedly) but were backed by millions of reinforcements and a lvl 20 wall it should have never been able to land behind. Stop pretending you don't understand the game mechanics and trying to twist facts so it looks like you didn't try to cheat "that much". Proof that SMA will spin facts and events so that they may still play the victim card. Eagle lost his city because he was too cocky with is placements and SMA couldn't even save it by cheating.
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Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:59
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I've never had a town in arran ------------- KS |
Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 16:59
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^ i Guess most of SMA has a learning disability i literally just said this is a RE account and they keep saying IRON. Lord have mercy
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Posted By: lsxrule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:00
| The ONLY reason you were able to raze Eagles town is because you cheated with the 1000 square away blockade, period. Your blockades couldn’t hold and were about to be cleared with a day or so. I’m not even sure our siege had more than 10 cats which died early on . |
Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:04
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550 squares away the blockade was, and we have scout reports of the seige and reports of all the cats still firing after 1m casualties+ and the it was 100k local Duramax troops anchoring the seige. ------------- KS |
Posted By: lsxrule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:06
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Iron/Re , all the same to me. One is the puppet and one the puppeteer. “ What you are conveniently leaving out is that SMA agreed to a cease fire with RE and used that time to further military operations against us, intentionally breaking the cease fire after SMA had time to move military units into place.” The cease fire was what a day? Sure get a lot of military in place in that time, lol
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:06
Yes, we used some BL troops to defend there - as defense on hills is always good. But the majority of troops was Elgea troops and Elgea reinforcements that we sent as soon as you started sending attacks. According to you you cleared 4m troops overall - where did those come from? I was sitting Eagle at that time. I know where the reinforcements were coming from.
I had 300-400k Sents on the way. Lsx had a huge Inf clearing army on the way. We would have sent a lot more in 2 weeks - i could have sent 1m Sents and more if needed. As soon was you started with the big Cav hits it was clear to us that we were on a timer. Thus sending additional clears did not make too much sense anymore at that point. I still think you do not have any idea how many troops we have in Elgea. You should share more reports honestly
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:12
You mean the one troop harassment blocks from the two towns right next to the target town of "Puffin"? I would hope you could keep those cleared. Or do you mean the 20k kobold blocks that were killed because the rest of the reinforcements that would support those blocks were held back FOR DAYS while we awaited the devs decision on wither or not SMA cheated? (SPOILER ALERT, THEY 100% CHEATED). The town of "Puffin" would've fallen and there was nothing you could do to save it, that's why you cheated a siege. The time that cheated siege bought you due to the prolonged investigation and the (as we now know) incorrect decision from the devs to clear SMA of cheating accusations put Iron in a position where the remote block was the best option to off set our loss of time and troop waste outside of our planned elite attacks. If the remote block never happened then the the community would never know SMA cheated, is that why you are really upset? Also answer the question cheater. Did you lie to the devs about how you landed your cheat siege thus preventing them from making the correct decision or did you tell the truth from the start? Which would mean the devs lied to RE/Iron about your cheat siege being fair. There is no question you cheated or that the devs told RE/Iron that you did not cheat originally. The only question that remains is did you lie to the devs or did the devs lie to RE/Iron. I think if you lied to the devs about your siege, thus effecting the outcome of the battle, then it should bring up a whole other argument about your continued presence in Illy.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:19
We are getting to the same point over and over again. We have been here at least 5 times before. In my opinion there is no point in continuing the discussion about this topic. Your question can only be fully answered by the devs. I do not know why they said what they said and who they talked to. So please get your answer from them. Thank you.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:19
Just going to conveniently forget that our messengers were already sent due to the agreement that SMA accepted and our other armies were then sent to other locations during that time to reinforce towns that weren't in Elgea so we had no plans to exo them (because if you reinforce a town that tries to exo, like the ones in Elega we agreed to exo, then you can't exo that town)? We had to wait for those very armies to return home and then send again. You broke the cease fire and your leadership did nothing, which isn't surprising when only a few months later you were caught cheating and then the devs did nothing. You know how the game works and why that is a big issue, stop trying to spin the facts. You must be invested in cycle classes with how hard you're trying to spin this.
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Posted By: Roman Emperium
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:25
| No, RE and IRON are both independent alliances, Get it right please. |
Posted By: lsxrule
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:34
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RE is just being used by Iron for the time being. "550 squares away the blockade was, and we have scout reports of the seige and reports of all the cats still firing after 1m casualties+ and the it was 100k local Duramax troops anchoring the seige." This is 100% a lie. You're siege was failing and you couldn't raze due to Eagle's troops inside. This is my last comment on this topic, the horse is dead.
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Posted By: Sif
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:37
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Bla... Bla... Bla.... 100.000kolbolts.....bla....bla.... Bla...we know war.... Bla... Bla... Bla... We do not know war... Bla... Bla... Bla... We will newbiring IRon/RE.... Bla... Bla... Bla... We are too far........ Bla... Bla Bla... All towns SMA will lost will rebuild.... Bla... Bla... Bla... We will win.... Besides all these does SMA leadership has any goal except newbiring RE/IRon.... I know that in SMA leadership imagine world that a possibility... But beside that is there any possible gain for their members risking their town at the BL?
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:47
You were rushing troops in from local towns to reinforce, we knew we had to kill Elgea forces that were present for Eagles defense upon landing and that they would leave after 5 days as all previous landings did. Not only did we kill ALOT of your troops with elites (and favorable ratios) during that time, you were also forced to reinforce with local troops that would suffer the same bad ratios while our sieges raged on. I do not care if you were sitting Eagle, you are a proven liar and we know what we saw with our scout reports. We cleared more troops than you could afford to lose, the exact number is unknown to me but 4 million wouldn't surprise me. When you say things like "you cleared 4m troops overall - where did those come from?" please phrase it as "RE claimed to cleared 4m troops overall - where did those come from?" and reference the account that said it, we are not multis over here and thus all have different opinions and responses that is not kept track of like a hive mind.
Not only was this false (one of the towns the siege was launched from was mine, it never received such hits within the two weeks of the siege landing) but even if were true, 200k T2 cav vanished without even a combat report when smashed upon ONE of our TWO sieges, why would you think 400k T1 bows or T2 infantry would fare any better when attacking a plains square? Your "clearing" armies had no bearing on the sieges with one siege being recalled with 80% of forces remaining after the town was captured. Now you also should weigh in here because it is an important question. Did SMA lie to the devs about the origin of the siege or did SMA tell the truth and the devs lied to RE/Iron about SMA cheating? You have once said you cannot answer, surely you've looked for the answer by now, I mean this is a BIG deal considering the implications. Also, if SMA lied to the devs initially then were the devs still not aware of SMAs cheating when they asked RE/Iron to give Eagles town back (due to an SMA petition) or were the devs aware and asked for such outlandish things regardless? Again this question is a BIG deal considering the implications. Are the devs working with SMA or has SMA manipulated the devs actions with lies to get what they want/an advantage?
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 17:49
Lets do some easy comparisons: SMA: Broadleaf growth:  Iron: LysergicOrc -> Orcasm -> Orcasm (Abandoned) growth:  Early on after the first attack waves.  Orcasm now. He had 2 zero population cities that we did not raze. He only had 1 useful city that would have been razed soon. This is probably why he abandoned and (probably) made a new account. Iron: Opophis  At the moment he has no Sov and almost no population after exoing all his cities. The be honest i feel sorry for Opohis. But his cities have been been really close to us unfortunately.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:00
One siege was fully operational, still tanking 50K cav hits with no battle report given, with 100% hit ratio and 30+ of both cats and rams by the time the battle concluded. The other siege still had a full set of 30+ cats firing with 100% ratios with heavy defense forces. The town of "puffin" was cleared multiple times and the siege engines would keep hitting regardless, reducing the wall and leaving you open to elite hits that were still coming in. If we couldn't raze due to troops inside then how did we get the raze? Did the troops vanish? No, we couldn't raze due to the pres building which WAS NOT A CONCERN UNTIL WE HELD OUR BIG BLOCKS DUE TO FOOLISHLY BELIEVING THAT THE DEVS WOULD PUNSIH SMA FOR CHEATING. When the decision from the devs was "SMA didn't cheat" Iron said hold my beer and it was amazing. Maybe if you would've told the devs how you cheated then they could've patched it sooner and Iron wouldn't have been able to remote block. Or if you did tell them and they didn't patch it then you should be mad at the devs just like we are for their inaction. You are your own worst enemy it seems.
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:10
First we are not risking anything. By now i am quite certain that we have more Cav in BL then Iron/RE combined. But that is not the point. SMA is an alliance with some of the best players in the game. But we also have a lot of smaller and more casual players. Players who only have time to login once a day to play Illyriad for a short time. For me that is the beauty of SMA and other tournament alliances - a friendly, helpful and peaceful community with a lot of different kinds of players. The big and strong players help and protect the smaller players. That is how it should be. "With great power comes great responsibility” has a simple meaning; "If you have the ability to do something, make sure that you do it for the good of others." When 36-40 Iron/RE players with a lot of troops decided to bully 5-6 small SMA players without troops (because of the tournament) there was no question for me that i am going to do my best to help and do everything in my power to stop it. And make sure that those players and our other players are safe in the future. Both of that meant moving cities to BL. And we are not even close to being finished. Is it a lot of time and work? Yes. But that does not really matter. Helping and protecting our SMA players from Iron/RE terrorists does.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:16
You are only showing the losses on one SMA member and you are not even showing the full losses. Broadleaf lost two additional cities to razes/captures and another forced exo not shown on this graph as well as over 30 terras he used to make his area his home. All of his losses and exo's were of fully researched and built up cities. You are comparing that to the total losses of throw away alt accounts and war cities that are designed to mitigate such loss. All of the towns you have razed have already been recaptured via kind donations from other SMA members. These fine donations have way more research than their previous counterparts and RE/Iron has grown because of it, SMA has not. You also fail to include the data about Hendo7, Fred, Wolfhelm, Mirayam, The Mariner, and the famous loss of Eagles town. Do these players mean nothing to you? Now as far as the questions of Did SMA lie to the devs about the origin of the siege
or did SMA tell the truth and the devs lied to RE/Iron about SMA
cheating? and if SMA lied to the devs initially then were the devs
still not aware of SMAs cheating when they asked RE/Iron to give Eagles town
back (due to an SMA petition) or were the devs aware and asked for such
outlandish things regardless? I think it is very important to keep asking until these get answered because with all the information surrounding this event we can definitively come to one of two conclusions. Either the devs are working with SMA for some unknown reason or SMA manipulated the
devs actions with lies to get what they want/an advantage with no repercussions.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:23
SMA sent the first attack against Donna and SMA broke the cease fire agreed to with RE. SMA then razed and newb ringed Donna. The consequences of these actions were the immediate attack and removal of your towns in our land. When that was done you still pushed forward thus causing the loss of towns on our borders. Many of your players were tossed directly into this conflict due to arrogant decisions from SMA leadership. RE was ready to move to negotiations to protect our non war players, SMA leadership couldn't swallow their own ego in order to do the same. Here you are insinuating that we attacked your non-war players first (or attacked first in general) and it couldn't be further from the truth. We told you attacking Donna would have consequences. We told you we would raze SMA non-war players if you razed Donna, their loss is on your hands. We did everything we could to save Donna with peace talks until it was clear SMA only wished to talk peace, not practice it.
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:24
Why does distance become relevant when you can bounce blockades off your own towns literally infinite distance in minutes? Did you guys run out of commanders like n00bzorz? This distance argument doesn't track for us normies. ------------- I am not amused. |
Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:35
My post answered exactly your question:
Your answer has nothing to do with your initial question and my answer. So can we stay on that topic please? Some remarks though: 1) I am getting mixed signals here from Iron/RE. On one side, threatening to noob-ring war accounts is really bad. On the other side losing war accounts isn't an issue? What is it now? 2) Broadleaf is going to get his old area back. No worries.
What you are doing is in my opinion against Code of Conduct: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/code-of-conduct-rules-updated-6feb2018_topic31.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/code-of-conduct-rules-updated-6feb2018_topic31.html
I answered your question multiple times now. I cannot give a better answer. Sorry.
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Posted By: Dogstar
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:41
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Now as far as the questions of Did SMA lie to the devs about the origin of the siege or did SMA tell the truth and the devs lied to RE/Iron about SMA cheating? and if SMA lied to the devs initially then were the devs still not aware of SMAs cheating when they asked RE/Iron to give Eagles town back (due to an SMA petition) or were the devs aware and asked for such outlandish things regardless? I think it is very important to keep asking until these get answered because with all the information surrounding this event we can definitively come to one of two conclusions. Either the devs are working with SMA for some unknown reason or SMA manipulated the devs actions with lies to get what they want/an advantage with no repercussions. YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOUR ALLIANCE CHEATED AND GOT AWAY WITH IT
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Posted By: Thirion
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:45
We had this discussion over and over already. I am going to make a final statement and then i am done with the topic. Your statement is wrong. You sent a siege to Mirayam at the same time the Donna siege was setup. You did not recall that siege in the cease fire. You razed that city. And lets not forget that you declared war on us and you sent the first attacks! But again. No point in discussing the same topic over and over again. Please stop bringing it up. Thank you. I answered Sifs question. You moved the discussion to a different and old topic.
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Posted By: Island Living
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 18:51
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I answered your question multiple
times now. I cannot give a better answer. Sorry. Your quote answered
no questions and made comparisons of apples and oranges and they are in no way
similar which I articulated my reasoning for such belief very well. You also
ignored my questions about you caring for your members stuck on the front lines
who have fallen at their first cluster YOU DID NOT REINFORCE and are now set up
in a second cluster YOU STILL HAVEN’T REINFORCED. But I guess you hanging out in
Coanhara hundreds of squares away from your war battered members as well as SMA
leadership hanging out on the tail end of Aindara speaks for itself. Do these SMA
players in middle Aindara know you are leaving them to die so SMA leadership can
have a buffer as you know RE/Iron will need to deal with these closer towns
first?
What you are doing is in my opinion
against Code of Conduct: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/code-of-conduct-rules-updated-6feb2018_topic31.html" rel="nofollow - The opinions
of cheaters (in reference to SMA cheating) and liars (in reference to SMA lying) matter little to me. I would love for a dev to weigh in
on me repeatedly asking questions you are side stepping. Or you can just say "SMA refuses to answer those questions”. But you know I’ll get to the truth and
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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2024 at 19:22
You admitted to sending the first attacks and then abandoning your account, though. Because some third party tried taking your clay that you don't have essentially infinite of or something. ------------- I am not amused. |