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Rorgash 
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 Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 11:40 |
Dwarf, we skin your people and eat the flesh, there is no place in the Horde for you, and im on the side of H? so maybe i should join you guys just to get info on what you are doing.
The Reasons for H? not accepting individual alliances peace offers is probably because they can then start churning troops and get back in the fighting when they are strong again. the only way to deal in a war is total destruction of the enemy.
Wanna look back at the BSH vs LWO war? we offered peace, they instead made us wait for their replies and they procrastinated until they stared their attacks again, we then decided to crush them into oblivion after we had learned our lesson.
Edited by Rorgash - 20 Oct 2012 at 11:51
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Jasche
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 13:32 |
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'The Welfare of the People is the Highest Law' 
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glorfindel
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 13:57 |
To me, this smacks of desperation on Consone's part. It looks to me like VIC has been doing all of the heavy lifting on the Consone side, and that other Consone members have done very little to aid in the war. That suggests to me that morale on the Consone side is low.
On the other side, I see H? continuing to open new sieges, as well as dlords. Morale seems high in their coalition.
So Jasche using the rhy/absa nap as an onus for peace talks is, as some others have said here, a pr maneuver.
Look, this war is not the war that absa and rhy got into over whatever that was all about. It just isn't. This war is the big war -- the grand war that everyone has expected since the launch of Consone. It is going to be the war that determines who controls the political hegemony in Illy.
The way you win this war -- in my opinion -- is simply by not cracking. Whoever's morale cracks first is the loser; the other team wins by default. The way that Consone has waged its defense looks to me like their morale is low. The fact that they have not launched sieges is a gamble by Jasche. He figures that by not counter-attacking, he can claim some "moral high road."
The thing is, I wouldn't think that getting sieged and losing cities every few days makes Consone players feel uplifted. If that Greyhawk city falls today, that'll be 3 Consone cities razed, if you include the one that rhy took down.
For Consone, maybe a good defense would be a good offense?
In the end, this war is here to stay for a while. We should all get used to it. It is going to be a war of attrition, and the loser will be the one who just cannot muster their troops any longer.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 15:03 |
 glorfindel wrote:
To me, this smacks of desperation on Consone's part. It looks to me like VIC has been doing all of the heavy lifting on the Consone side, and that other Consone members have done very little to aid in the war. That suggests to me that morale on the Consone side is low.
On the other side, I see H? continuing to open new sieges, as well as dlords. Morale seems high in their coalition.
So Jasche using the rhy/absa nap as an onus for peace talks is, as some others have said here, a pr maneuver.
Look, this war is not the war that absa and rhy got into over whatever that was all about. It just isn't. This war is the big war -- the grand war that everyone has expected since the launch of Consone. It is going to be the war that determines who controls the political hegemony in Illy.
The way you win this war -- in my opinion -- is simply by not cracking. Whoever's morale cracks first is the loser; the other team wins by default. The way that Consone has waged its defense looks to me like their morale is low. The fact that they have not launched sieges is a gamble by Jasche. He figures that by not counter-attacking, he can claim some "moral high road."
The thing is, I wouldn't think that getting sieged and losing cities every few days makes Consone players feel uplifted. If that Greyhawk city falls today, that'll be 3 Consone cities razed, if you include the one that rhy took down.
For Consone, maybe a good defense would be a good offense?
In the end, this war is here to stay for a while. We should all get used to it. It is going to be a war of attrition, and the loser will be the one who just cannot muster their troops any longer. |
or maybe it just shows that when we said we didnt want no conflict...maybe there was some truth in it?
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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glorfindel
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 15:24 |
scaramouche wrote:
or maybe it just shows that when we said we didnt want no conflict...maybe there was some truth in it? |
Whether Consone wanted war or not, war is upon them. From my vantage point, which I admit is not all-seeing, they have not stepped up like the force Illy they claim to be. This war isn't going to be settled via negotiation -- it is going to need to be won decisively on the battlefield. Either H? and its allies will keep pounding Consone cities until they are forced to surrender to H?'s terms, or Consone will hit back and render H?'s forces ineffective, forcing them to surrender. There is no "meeting of the minds" in an ideological conflict like this, in my opinion.
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dunnoob
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 15:54 |
glorfindel wrote:
they have not stepped up like the force Illy they claim to be |
Guessing, they need some days to replace early tournament losses.
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The Duke
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 18:08 |
glorfindel wrote:
scaramouche wrote:
or maybe it just shows that when we said we didnt want no conflict...maybe there was some truth in it? |
Whether Consone wanted war or not, war is upon them. From my vantage point, which I admit is not all-seeing, they have not stepped up like the force Illy they claim to be. This war isn't going to be settled via negotiation -- it is going to need to be won decisively on the battlefield. Either H? and its allies will keep pounding Consone cities until they are forced to surrender to H?'s terms, or Consone will hit back and render H?'s forces ineffective, forcing them to surrender. There is no "meeting of the minds" in an ideological conflict like this, in my opinion. |
First point- they never claimed to be any kind of "force". Second point- There are no terms from H? cause they arent trying to end this. Third point- RHY and Absa have agreed on peace, they were the alliances that got the ball rolling on this war. So i think them entering peace terms is in fact relevant
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"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives."
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DeathDealer89
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 18:57 |
Ossian wrote:
Now matter how H? try to twist and turn the facts of this war by churning out propaganda and denials they cannot deny the words of the ir own leader Killer Poodle who's main argument for the declaration against the 11 alliances was that H? are a military alliance that wants to remain at #1 . Deny it all you want but everbody knows the truth for what it is. This has nothing to with original dispute now. It is becoming a sensless and depressing slugfest which most right thinking people are less than enthusiastic about.
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Oh H? declared war, let me just go check H? diplomacy page. Hmm it seems 9 alliances declared war on H? while H? declared war on only two. So in fact we would have to go ask those 9 alliances why they declared war not the other way around. Hmm in fact everywhere we turn it seems consone started the aggression not H? this is most interesting. S tell me where did you find your info? Because it seems you may be seeing the displays on your computer backwards.
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Arian
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:53 |
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oh for pities sake.
Its not open to debate
All the declarations are on alliance profile pages. Spin it however you want to but H? declared war first.
In order
13Oct 02:49AM H? declared war on Invictus
13 Oct 03:21AM H? declared war on Absaroke
13 Oct 22:49pm Morituri Eagles declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:52pm Lords of Frost dclared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Fairy Road Authority declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Dwarven Druids declared war on H?
14 Oct 05:31pm Worlds End declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:10pm Victrix declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:28 Skeleton Boar declared war on H?
15 Oct 22:00 Sages of Illyriad declared war on H?
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'Do you want ice with that?'
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DeathDealer89
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Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 20:58 |
Arian wrote:
oh for pities sake.
Its not open to debate
All the declarations are on alliance profile pages.
In order
13Oct 02:49AM H? declared war on Invictus
13 Oct 03:21AM H? declared war on Absaroke
13 Oct 22:49pm Morituri Eagles declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:52pm Lords of Frost dclared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Fairy Road Authority declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Dwarven Druids declared war on H?
14 Oct 05:31pm Worlds End declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:10pm Victrix declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:28 Skeleton Boar declared war on H?
15 Oct 22:00 Sages of Illyriad declared war on H?
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Thats it isn't open for debate, H? declared war on two alliances. Then 8 alliances declared war on H?. Your copy and paste speaks for itself.
Edited by DeathDealer89 - 20 Oct 2012 at 20:59
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