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Points: 139 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 21:12
It does doesn't it :)

I have no idea who/what the War Clan is so left them out.  And strangely my post wasn't copy pasted.

Nevertheless H? declared first, and it was what? umm nearly 20 hours later that anyone else made a move?  Bit difficult to spin that one as H? being some sort of innocent victim of aggression - also get the distinct impression they would rather be seen as the aggressor than the victim of it lol I can't see KP or Kumo as being anyone's victim at any rate LOL
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Consone attacked first.  

H? declared first against 2 alliances.  

Rest of Consone declared war.  

Innocent victim no.  This is what we call war, both sides fight.  But lets be clear who attacked who first.  I'm just tired of consone spin as they keep acting like innocent victims despite being the ones who declared war.  In fact the ones who got war declared on them, I see much less acting like they were being victimized than the ones who declared war themselves.
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Originally posted by DeathDealer89 DeathDealer89 wrote:

Consone attacked first.  

H? declared first against 2 alliances.  

Rest of Consone declared war.  

Innocent victim no.  This is what we call war, both sides fight.  But lets be clear who attacked who first.  I'm just tired of consone spin as they keep acting like innocent victims despite being the ones who declared war.  In fact the ones who got war declared on them, I see much less acting like they were being victimized than the ones who declared war themselves.
 I too tire of your spin...even an amoeba could fathom out that H planned the whole farce from the beginning and those that cant are less intelligent than that.
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Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

 I too tire of your spin...even an amoeba could fathom out that H planned the whole farce from the beginning and those that cant are less intelligent than that.

"Nice" insult for all the players of illyriad that simply do not agree with you Clap ... it is also great as a "peaceful" attitute too Tongue ... did you say anything about ego .?. Wink LOL
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Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

 I too tire of your spin...even an amoeba could fathom out that H planned the whole farce from the beginning and those that cant are less intelligent than that.

Wow I didn't realize H? was so powerful, to be able to force ABSA to attack RHY.  I mean I've heard a few H? members were researching mind control but I never knew they completed the research. 
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Amazing how much more brief and comprehensible these forum threads would be if people didn't continue resorting to blanket statements, generalizations, and ad hominem attacks. I know, I know, it's SO hard to resist just throwing one minor little insult in there, especially if you think you can decorate it all nicely and subtly in order to cover your butt if someone calls you out on it, but don't. Have a little maturity.

This goes for both sides.
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Originally posted by Hadus Hadus wrote:

...blanket statements, generalizations, and ad hominem attacks...

Sounds like this whole ordeal in a nutshell.  It does sort of seem like the forum isn't the best place for extinguishing fires, though I still feel like dubious diplomacy behind closed doors is what made the sparks in the first place.


Edited by Darmon - 21 Oct 2012 at 00:17
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Originally posted by Arian Arian wrote:

oh for pities sake.
Its not open to debate
All the declarations are on alliance profile pages. Spin it however you want to but H? declared war first.

In order
13Oct 02:49AM    H? declared war on Invictus
13 Oct 03:21AM   H? declared war on Absaroke

13 Oct 22:49pm  Morituri Eagles declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:52pm Lords of Frost dclared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Fairy Road Authority declared war on H?
13 Oct 22:55pm Dwarven Druids declared war on H?
14 Oct 05:31pm Worlds End declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:10pm Victrix declared war on H?
14 Oct 16:28 Skeleton Boar declared war on H?
15 Oct 22:00 Sages of Illyriad declared war on H?


As DD mentioned H? declared on 2 alliances (VIC and ABSA) likely as a counter to them trying to pick a fight with RHY. Consone firmly believed that they wanted to throw their entire weight further into a war... it could of ended with simply those declarations but after someone talked all those other guilds into joining and now they are part of the war. I imagine H? called their bluff and continued to fight as there is not much else to call those war declarations if they carry no actual weight. Its barely been a week since the 8 guilds decided to jump into an already somewhat even conflict...

So its not who declared war first as there was already fighting breaking out. Its just each time Consone further escalated the situation so did H? side. Now you went all in and have no other trump cards to bring in your upset... RHY vs SkB -> bring in ABSA.... RHY hits ABSA --> bring in VIC. H? Evens it out by joining in to counter VIC. Consone joins in on side of SkB/ABSA/VIC... H? friends join in around this point. Consone no longer has anymore friends to toss in...
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...seems H? carefully waited with their "bluff", until they had good cards to play... LOL

...and just wanted to mention "Mutual defense" again... this time without the whole introduction for Dummies...
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Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

...seems H? carefully waited with their "bluff", until they had good cards to play... LOL

...and just wanted to mention "Mutual defense" again... this time without the whole introduction for Dummies...


As mentioned earlier... H? now has mind control devices that can now be used to make your decisions for you in order to make the situation as it was. Perhaps we used this from the technology gained at Roswell which we then used to mind control Bush into a false flag operation on 9/11 then to confuse everyone we mind controlled Dylan Avery to make Loose Change. H? is behind everything... even before its creation because its also alpha and omega... beginning and end Clap
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