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Grego 
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 Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 00:06 |
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No need to shout, Deranzin. SkB asked for our help in mutual diplomatic aproach. They are experienced Illyrians, they knew what they are dealing with, and that our military can not convince RHY to withdraw from their land. Unfortunately, I failed to warn my people to sustain from any actions, no matter how reasonable they might seem. We were hooked but it is still poor excuse for all what followed.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 23:44 |
 Mandarins31 wrote:
It's interesting to see how both of you are quoting one of the first sentences of the medium or long posts, and try to make a point on it, while this doesnt contain at all the message hiding behind the whole post. I wonder if you succeed to read fully a post that contains more than 5 lines, and if you understand the insinuations behind the lines, because you dont seem to argue against anything important that have been said or meant. |
Oh that was indeed precious.
First of all such petty insults like being unable to read past the fifth line, are really not working on most of the people here and are showing a bad disposition on your behalf towards anyone that has a different opinion than your own.
Second of all it is simple theory of logic that WHEN you are building an ARGUMENT on a FALSE SUPPOSITION then, ultimately, your later conclusions based on those false suppositions will be erroneous or, in the best of cases, off the mark.
In this case I pointed out your mistake early one, that led you to all the other lines with their "hidden messages" and, quite reasonably, didn't need to spend time dismantling supposisions based on falsehoods and illogicallities.
Last but not least, you are blaming me of not being able to read, while at the SAME MOMENT you refuse to actually read and reply to my arguments, trying to avoid them by dismissing them as "unimportant" when, IN FACT, that small amount of troops that SkB felt compelled to ask for help to clear away, when they where PERFECTLY CAPABLE of doing it ON THEIR OWN (not to mention that there was a diplomatic agreement for that army to move away in the near future) is the most important indication for any impartial person reading this conversation that your "insinuations" and your "hidden messages" are not worth more than a penny compared to that simple PURE and KNOWN FACT ( and I repeat that GregoRokin himself posted the relative battle report).
You can try everything to convice anyone that might be reading this (since you think it is so important) that a whole alliance needed HELP to clear 6800 mixed troops from a spot and that two alliances ganging up on another alliance and ATTACKING over such a small amount of troops is a "defensive" action", but it is imho so unreasonable that I doubt that anyone will actually believe that.
In any case, I am simply pointing out some of the most basic and important facts and I will not make any actual supposition on what people will think or believe concerning them.
Have a good night. :)
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Grego
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 23:24 |
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There is small difference, one side is willing to stop the war since
beginning while other want to pursue it until annihilation of chosen enemy. I don't think any of Consone alliances were enemy to Harmless ? before.
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bansisdead
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 22:52 |
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That I totally agree with, the RHY/ABSA conflict does seem to be a smokescreen. Though I wouldn't say its one sided, one block sees the other as a potential threat to it's dominance, the other wishes to threaten the dominance of the other block.
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Grego
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 22:39 |
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Unlike H, Consone is not one alliance, it is confederation formed for mutual defense. You can hear many different voices there. I tried to reconstruct RHY/Absa part before but that doesn't interest anyone. This short war, ended by now, is used to mask real reasons for this big, ongoing war between two blocks.
Edited by Grego - 30 Oct 2012 at 22:41
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bansisdead
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 22:28 |
I was tempted grego ;) but my wife would beat me up. I have tried to understand both sides, too little avail, your comment sounded like you were shirking any responsibility imo. you blamed one ABSA player for starting the conflict, but then blame the opposing side for it, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
The problem is H? are quite coherent on this issue, whilst there are several different consone voices saying several different things, you need a single voice, to speak coherently.
Edited by bansisdead - 30 Oct 2012 at 22:30
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Grego
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 22:19 |
Those who don't even try to understand before making opinion on something, bansisdead. Does editing means you still didn't decide about our "blind date"? btw, Orcs are my favorite race in Illy 
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bansisdead
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 21:59 |
And what exactly is 'you and alike' suppose to mean, are you stereotyping me and who is bansishead? Neither my warriors or I are interested in an illy blind date, thanks for the offer.
The fact is, you post a comment, I respond and you decide there is no point in talking with me or my type, what ever that is suppose to elude to. So why even post a comment, why did you if you didn't want people responding to your comments, or was just because my 'type' responded?
By 'you and alike' do you mean orks? I'm at a lose as to what you are referring to, do please enlighten me.
Edited by bansisdead - 30 Oct 2012 at 22:09
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Grego
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 21:54 |
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There is no point trying to talk with you and alike, bansishead. Save your breath, take your warriors and meet me in Illy.
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bansisdead
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Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 21:45 |
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Grego, so even though your member started the war, you feel the other side wanted it so its their fault. Because you felt they wanted a war you obliged, that is lunacy, and I have no sympathy. You made your bed, now its night-night time...
Edited by bansisdead - 30 Oct 2012 at 21:45
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