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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 15:24
Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

or maybe it just shows that when we said we didnt want no conflict...maybe there was some truth in it?

Whether Consone wanted war or not, war is upon them. From my vantage point, which I admit is not all-seeing, they have not stepped up like the force Illy they claim to be. This war isn't going to be settled via negotiation -- it is going to need to be won decisively on the battlefield. Either H? and its allies will keep pounding Consone cities until they are forced to surrender to H?'s terms, or Consone will hit back and render H?'s forces ineffective, forcing them to surrender. There is no "meeting of the minds" in an ideological conflict like this, in my opinion.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 15:03
Originally posted by glorfindel glorfindel wrote:

To me, this smacks of desperation on Consone's part. It looks to me like VIC has been doing all of the heavy lifting on the Consone side, and that other Consone members have done very little to aid in the war. That suggests to me that morale on the Consone side is low. 

On the other side, I see H? continuing to open new sieges, as well as dlords. Morale seems high in their coalition.

So Jasche using the rhy/absa nap as an onus for peace talks is, as some others have said here, a pr maneuver.

Look, this war is not the war that absa and rhy got into over whatever that was all about. It just isn't. This war is the big war -- the grand war that everyone has expected since the launch of Consone. It is going to be the war that determines who controls the political hegemony in Illy.

The way you win this war -- in my opinion -- is simply by not cracking. Whoever's morale cracks first is the loser; the other team wins by default. The way that Consone has waged its defense looks to me like their morale is low. The fact that they have not launched sieges is a gamble by Jasche. He figures that by not counter-attacking, he can claim some "moral high road."

The thing is, I wouldn't think that getting sieged and losing cities every few days makes Consone players feel uplifted. If that Greyhawk city falls today, that'll be 3 Consone cities razed, if you include the one that rhy took down. 

For Consone, maybe a good defense would be a good offense?

In the end, this war is here to stay for a while. We should all get used to it. It is going to be a war of attrition, and the loser will be the one who just cannot muster their troops any longer.
or maybe it just shows that when we said we didnt want no conflict...maybe there was some truth in it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 13:57
To me, this smacks of desperation on Consone's part. It looks to me like VIC has been doing all of the heavy lifting on the Consone side, and that other Consone members have done very little to aid in the war. That suggests to me that morale on the Consone side is low. 

On the other side, I see H? continuing to open new sieges, as well as dlords. Morale seems high in their coalition.

So Jasche using the rhy/absa nap as an onus for peace talks is, as some others have said here, a pr maneuver.

Look, this war is not the war that absa and rhy got into over whatever that was all about. It just isn't. This war is the big war -- the grand war that everyone has expected since the launch of Consone. It is going to be the war that determines who controls the political hegemony in Illy.

The way you win this war -- in my opinion -- is simply by not cracking. Whoever's morale cracks first is the loser; the other team wins by default. The way that Consone has waged its defense looks to me like their morale is low. The fact that they have not launched sieges is a gamble by Jasche. He figures that by not counter-attacking, he can claim some "moral high road."

The thing is, I wouldn't think that getting sieged and losing cities every few days makes Consone players feel uplifted. If that Greyhawk city falls today, that'll be 3 Consone cities razed, if you include the one that rhy took down. 

For Consone, maybe a good defense would be a good offense?

In the end, this war is here to stay for a while. We should all get used to it. It is going to be a war of attrition, and the loser will be the one who just cannot muster their troops any longer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 13:32
'The Welfare of the People is the Highest Law'


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 11:40
Dwarf, we skin your people and eat the flesh, there is no place in the Horde for you, and im on the side of H? so maybe i should join you guys just to get info on what you are doing.


The Reasons for H? not accepting individual alliances peace offers is probably because they can then start churning troops and get back in the fighting when they are strong again. the only way to deal in a war is total destruction of the enemy.

Wanna look back at the BSH vs LWO war? we offered peace, they instead made us wait for their replies and they procrastinated until they stared their attacks again, we then decided to crush them into oblivion after we had learned our lesson.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 10:40
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

If I see H? post anything that suggests an opportunity for peace exists, it will definitely surprise me.
This is the voice that matters most in Harmless?  because if he was to suddenly start making posts based on facts rather than convoluted attempts to twist facts he could signal the end of this war tommorrow.

Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

True behavioral correction takes more than a slap on the wrist, especially when empty/false promises, denial, and blatant misrepresentation are standard diplomatic fare. 
 
Now matter  how H? try to twist and turn the facts of this war by churning out propaganda and denials they cannot deny the words of the ir own leader Killer Poodle who's main argument for the declaration against the 11 alliances was that H? are a military alliance that wants to remain at #1 . Deny it all you want but everbody knows the truth for what it is. This has nothing to with original dispute now.  It is  becoming a sensless and depressing slugfest which most right thinking people are less than enthusiastic about.
 
Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:

Jasche's liberal deviation from fact in this thread only reinforces the lack of change thus far.  Once war has started, we're well past any possibility of a resolution based on faith.  Now it ends when we're confident a false, temporary peace will not merely turn the tide of war in favor of the side with more troop-churning cities, and when the most noteworthy offenders are removed/relocated from a position of continued ability to offend
 
What liberal deviation? The guy is calling for peace talks. For goodness sake; for the sake of the game agree to talk at least. What is wrong with you?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 09:14
Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Victrix not Invictus


Ah so you were suckered into joining a war that started between 2 non-consone guilds and then was pushed into it after LOL

I still find it funny is all... SkB and RHY get into a dispute and ABSA drags all of Consone in... even people not in Consone (your guild). Some of the guilds involved on Consone I almost feel bad for just because of that. Part of why I mentioned it could use a central leadership that helps avoid these conflicts but instead people like ABSA can start aggression with the full faith of the alliance and drag you all into it without any real decisions made as to whether or not its ideal to do so.

Though at the same time its kind of entertaining also.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 09:05
Victrix not Invictus
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 09:03
Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Originally posted by hellion19 hellion19 wrote:


Silly dwarf... us orcs never learn Angry

I thought Consone was a peace loving alliance I am not sure why you would fear being in VIC territory if you simply want to be peaceful there....
Consone? I am not in Consone . . .


Perhaps that was a silly Orc assumption but leaving your guild... while in VIC territory... I figured it would be safe to assume your at least affiliated with VIC... Which they are Consone and are peace loving Illyriad players according to their posts. So there may be a few things I am missing here...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 08:55
Originally posted by hellion19 hellion19 wrote:


Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Then he may fight the war and I learn whatever Orcs learn. . .


Silly dwarf... us orcs never learn Angry

I thought Consone was a peace loving alliance I am not sure why you would fear being in VIC territory if you simply want to be peaceful there....
Consone? I am not in Consone . . .
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