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Divine Redemption
Greenhorn
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 68
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 14:16 |
Darkwords wrote:
If they haven't figured out who I am by now then I feel even more sorry for them. And if you really reveiwed my posts you would know who I am.
Its true that there is little friendship between myself and PA, but I am honestly just stating the obvious at this point.
Unless they do have full control over their alliance workings, in which case they should decide on a new leader and promote him/her to that position (unless of course, the claims of Lorre leaving are false). Then their alliance will have little appeal to new members.
If they dont have full control, then it would be far better for them to found a new alliance, where they would have the control.
Anyone arguing that they should remain in an alliance that they do not have control over, is doing them a huge dis-service and they should consider what the motives behind such advice really are.
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It really seems that Lorre's claims are false. Otherwise the members would be leaving. They must know he is coming back and this whole him leaving fiasco is just an act to make players forget about him for a bit.
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Divine Redemption
Greenhorn
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 68
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 14:10 |
Anjire wrote:
Darkwords wrote:
Rill wrote:
I'm sure the PA members find your concern touching. Perhaps we should give them the respect of letting them choose what to do. |
I am not saying they should not CHOOSE themselves, merely questioning their CHOICE.
Am simply offering advice as my alliance was actually formed as a group of players left an alliance, where the leader had lost motivation and only logged on once a fortnight or so.
Lets put it this way, they are out to recruit new members, hence the existance of this thread, but if you were looking for an alliance to join, would you choose one where the leader had gone AWOL?
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I suppose your point is more valid then say starting a war over PA memberships choice to continue on forcing the issue like another alliance did...(~KT~ vs. Havoc)
But, then the members of PA will also probably look for "Darkwords" in the game and find that there is no such player. Further, if one reviews the posts from "Darkwords" it will further show that there has been nothing but negativivity vs. anything regarding PA.
So, then the question is more why should any members of PA care about the opinion of this anonymous poser. |
Anyone that is for members sticking with an alliance that will not have one member in control of all the leadership options is really kidding themselves. Lorre left the game, make a new alliance with a similar name and renap and confed all of those alliances again. Rill normally gives good advice for new players or members in general. However, I think she is more into propaganda right now. For whatever reason, she seems to care more about Lorre losing members while he is afk then the actual members themselves that will depend on a member that has that leadership option. Who knows? Maybe there is a capable replacement of Lorre or maybe not... Rill and the rest of the H? propaganda machine is just blowing white smoke up everyones ***. I am not looking out for Lorre at all since he has left the game. I am looking for the best interest of said members in his alliance at heart here. No propaganda, just common sense.
Edited by Divine Redemption - 19 Sep 2011 at 14:12
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Darkwords
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 May 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 1005
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 14:08 |
Anjire wrote:
I suppose your point is more valid then say starting a war over PA memberships choice to continue on forcing the issue like another alliance did...(~KT~ vs. Havoc)
But, then the members of PA will also probably look for "Darkwords" in the game and find that there is no such player. Further, if one reviews the posts from "Darkwords" it will further show that there has been nothing but negativivity vs. anything regarding PA.
So, then the question is more why should any members of PA care about the opinion of this anonymous poser. |
If they haven't figured out who I am by now then I feel even more sorry for them. And if you really reveiwed my posts you would know who I am. Its true that there is little friendship between myself and PA, but I am honestly just stating the obvious at this point. Unless they do have full control over their alliance workings, in which case they should decide on a new leader and promote him/her to that position (unless of course, the claims of Lorre leaving are false). Then their alliance will have little appeal to new members. If they dont have full control, then it would be far better for them to found a new alliance, where they would have the control. Anyone arguing that they should remain in an alliance that they do not have control over, is doing them a huge dis-service and they should consider what the motives behind such advice really are.
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Anjire
Postmaster
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 688
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 13:45 |
Darkwords wrote:
Rill wrote:
I'm sure the PA members find your concern touching. Perhaps we should give them the respect of letting them choose what to do. |
I am not saying they should not CHOOSE themselves, merely questioning their CHOICE.
Am simply offering advice as my alliance was actually formed as a group of players left an alliance, where the leader had lost motivation and only logged on once a fortnight or so.
Lets put it this way, they are out to recruit new members, hence the existance of this thread, but if you were looking for an alliance to join, would you choose one where the leader had gone AWOL?
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I suppose your point is more valid then say starting a war over PA memberships choice to continue on forcing the issue like another alliance did...(~KT~ vs. Havoc)
But, then the members of PA will also probably look for "Darkwords" in the game and find that there is no such player. Further, if one reviews the posts from "Darkwords" it will further show that there has been nothing but negativivity vs. anything regarding PA.
So, then the question is more why should any members of PA care about the opinion of this anonymous poser.
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Darkwords
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 May 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 1005
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 12:19 |
Rill wrote:
I'm sure the PA members find your concern touching. Perhaps we should give them the respect of letting them choose what to do. |
I am not saying they should not CHOOSE themselves, merely questioning their CHOICE. Am simply offering advice as my alliance was actually formed as a group of players left an alliance, where the leader had lost motivation and only logged on once a fortnight or so. Lets put it this way, they are out to recruit new members, hence the existance of this thread, but if you were looking for an alliance to join, would you choose one where the leader had gone AWOL?
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 12:05 |
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I'm sure the PA members find your concern touching. Perhaps we should give them the respect of letting them choose what to do.
Edited by Rill - 19 Sep 2011 at 12:06
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Darkwords
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 May 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 1005
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 11:54 |
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As DR pointed out, my point is that there is no new leader.
Does anyone in PA have full control over the alliance forums? have the ability to boot problem players? promote promising members? etc etc.....
If it is true that Lorre has left the game, as they have claimed. It would be better for the active members of this alliance to reform under a new banner, one they have full control of.
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Gratch
Wordsmith
Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 150
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 09:50 |
Manannan wrote:
Gratch wrote:
If that's the case, why are there so many alliances which were created by one member who left still continuing? :P I don't get that reasoning at all. That's like saying "Hey the Queen is dead, let's all move to France..." O.o |
Agree with Gratch in that just because a leader of a founder leaves there is no need to all up sticks and join or become a new alliance. Sometimes the departure of a leader can make an alliance even stronger than it was before.
Just one point though Gratch.... Were you calling Lorre a Queen? 
Apologies for the off subject observation.
On a serious note and if you are new to Illyriad and looking looking through the recruitment forum at the moment for an alliance {PA} is a great place to start, with good leaders who are very helpful with advice and resources. |
...Maybe >.>
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Kilotov of DokGthung
Postmaster
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 723
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 05:25 |
Divine Redemption wrote:
Rill wrote:
The term schadenfreude comes to mind ... whatever Lorre has going on, I imagine that his alliance mates have made a decision to continue in his footsteps. To their credit. |
To their credit? An active member needs to be in the leader role! Any member that stays in this alliance will be making a very stupid choice if Lorre is not coming back. It is pretty selfish of Lorre to not promote any player to his leader role or leave the alliance if he is indeed not coming back.
When leeroy680 was the leader of Wolves of the Plains (now called Curse), he decided to quit the game. And when he did leave, he promoted Iduna to take over as the leader role instead of just leaving his account AFK as the leader. I am pretty sure all the players would have left the alliance if leeroy680 would have kept himself as the AFK leader over a period of time. I would have.
The members in Lorre's alliance seem loyal enough to give him back the leader role if he ever decides to come back.
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may you tell us your ingame name?
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Divine Redemption
Greenhorn
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 68
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 05:07 |
Rill wrote:
The term schadenfreude comes to mind ... whatever Lorre has going on, I imagine that his alliance mates have made a decision to continue in his footsteps. To their credit. |
To their credit? An active member needs to be in the leader role! Any member that stays in this alliance will be making a very stupid choice if Lorre is not coming back. It is pretty selfish of Lorre to not promote any player to his leader role or leave the alliance if he is indeed not coming back. When leeroy680 was the leader of Wolves of the Plains (now called Curse), he decided to quit the game. And when he did leave, he promoted Iduna to take over as the leader role instead of just leaving his account AFK as the leader. I am pretty sure all the players would have left the alliance if leeroy680 would have kept himself as the AFK leader over a period of time. I would have. The members in Lorre's alliance seem loyal enough to give him back the leader role if he ever decides to come back.
Edited by Divine Redemption - 19 Sep 2011 at 05:09
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