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Darkwords
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Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:13 |
Anjire wrote:
So, if you are not getting any response from leadership/membership of an alliance - you are okay going fully public to get your question/concern addressed? |
Yes I am, why are you suggesting that is wrong in someway??? I guess your alliance have never gone on GC or the forums demanding answers that have not been given??? I am not demanding, merely questioning something fairly simple, and stating obvious facts. Is there some reason that you have such a problem with this?
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Darkwords
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:15 |
Divine Redemption wrote:
I am pretty sure you know the answer to that question.
And I am pretty sure Darkwords will not give out his identity over this troll analogy. Unless he wants to prove me wrong right now to be funny. LOL
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Its tempting  I am .... d..... no cant do it
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Anjire
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Joined: 18 Sep 2010
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:24 |
Azreil wrote:
PA will never be the same without Lorre. Lorre was a great leader but i would like to make it known that he led a campaign of hate and bad propaganda against the Valar. With Lorre gone, and I hope FOREVER, i am personally looking forward to more harmonious relationships with PA or whatever its members decide it will or has to become and I will wish the new leadership success in its endeavours.
If Lorre comes back, then sad to say, nothing will have changed.
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Darkwords wrote:
Anjire wrote:
So, if you are not getting any response from leadership/membership of an alliance - you are okay going fully public to get your question/concern addressed? |
Yes I am, why are you suggesting that is wrong in someway??? I guess your alliance have never gone on GC or the forums demanding answers that have not been given???
I am not demanding, merely questioning something fairly simple, and stating obvious facts. Is there some reason that you have such a problem with this?
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Not at all - Just tying in these two posts though with one word...Berberos.
Lorre approached your leadership to get answers about what was going on with Berberos and the future intentions. He was ignored and therefore went public to get answers: which from your above answer you agree would be the next step/stage when your IGM's go unanswered.
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Ander
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Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:29 |
Darkwords wrote:
Createure wrote:
Why hide your identity, what's clever about that?
IMO the people that don't want their ingame account linked with their forum posts are usually the trolls.
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As I said it is NOT hidden. It does not take much brainpower to work it out anyway.
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nobody would bother about your in game identity while you are posting in a non political topic. But the opinion of anonymous posters in a political discussion is just as good as spam. (unless you are making such brilliant posts of course, which sadly is not the case)
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Darkwords
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:30 |
Anjire wrote:
Not at all - Just tying in these two posts though with one word...Berberos.
Lorre approached your leadership to get answers about what was going on with Berberos and the future intentions. He was ignored and therefore went public to get answers: which from your above answer you agree would be the next step/stage when your IGM's go unanswered.
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Thats true and we had no problem with his going public asking for answers, unfortunately AZ had issues in RL that meant he was not online at that time. Hence not only Lorre not getting responses but no-one did.
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Ander
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:35 |
Darkwords wrote:
Anjire wrote:
Not at all - Just tying in these two posts though with one word...Berberos.
Lorre approached your leadership to get answers about what was going on with Berberos and the future intentions. He was ignored and therefore went public to get answers: which from your above answer you agree would be the next step/stage when your IGM's go unanswered.
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Thats true and we had no problem with his going public asking for answers, unfortunately AZ had issues in RL that meant he was not online at that time. Hence not only Lorre not getting responses but no-one did.
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^^ that reminds me of a sighting of A.. and d.. from V.. in GC, where d.. was accusing L.. of being a coward for ..<I never understood this part>
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Darkwords
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:36 |
Ander wrote:
nobody would bother about your in game identity while you are posting in a non political topic. But the opinion of anonymous posters in a political discussion is just as good as spam. (unless you are making such brilliant posts of course, which sadly is not the case)
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And as I have said over and over it is NOT anonymous, or hidden. In fact it is extremely obvious. Mainly due to the fact it was never meant to be hidden. Besides if I was posting on here in character for my primary, then I would not be presenting what I consider would be the best actions for the PA members, as I have done. I really dont get what all this fuss is about anyway? Perhaps Art or another PA member will be nice enough to address the matter and put it to rest.
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Darkwords
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:38 |
Ander wrote:
^^ that reminds me of a sighting of A.. and d.. from V.. in GC, where d.. was accusing L.. of being a coward for ..<I never understood this part> |
Congrats ander!!!
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Anjire
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 15:52 |
Darkwords wrote:
Anjire wrote:
Not at all - Just tying in these two posts though with one word...Berberos.
Lorre approached your leadership to get answers about what was going on with Berberos and the future intentions. He was ignored and therefore went public to get answers: which from your above answer you agree would be the next step/stage when your IGM's go unanswered.
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Thats true and we had no problem with his going public asking for answers, unfortunately AZ had issues in RL that meant he was not online at that time. Hence not only Lorre not getting responses but no-one did.
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Lorre, has always been an advocate for the new player. He instituted the care packages for new players. Anyone who played for even a little while, would see Lorre in GC actively helping and advising the new players.
So, rather than understanding Lorre's passion and frustration in trying to help a new player being targeted by one of your members. VALAR responded with animosity toward Lorre. The climate of hate and propaganda that Azriel claim's Lorre perpetrated against VALAR was returned tenfold by VALAR against Lorre and PA. And ever so exemplified in the recent conflicts as the battle cry of VALAR seems to be primarily: because Lorre is involved.
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Darkwords
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Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 16:07 |
Anjire wrote:
Lorre, has always been an advocate for the new player. He instituted the care packages for new players. Anyone who played for even a little while, would see Lorre in GC actively helping and advising the new players.
So, rather than understanding Lorre's passion and frustration in trying to help a new player being targeted by one of your members. VALAR responded with animosity toward Lorre. The climate of hate and propaganda that Azriel claim's Lorre perpetrated against VALAR was returned tenfold by VALAR against Lorre and PA. And ever so exemplified in the recent conflicts as the battle cry of VALAR seems to be primarily: because Lorre is involved.
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Anjire, you are way off the mark. That was not the first act of aggression from Lorre against VALAR and we did NOT return what he did to us tenfold. The whole Berberos affair, which in the eyes of the VALAR was actually the 'Duq affair' would have been sorted as soon as AZ had sorted his RL problems out and returned, were it not for Lorre's intervention. You should know this very well yourself considering what you know Duq did and how he was swiftly dealt with as soon as we had faught of Lorre's campain. As we said all along throughout that period, if Lorre backed off it would be resolved, so if Lorre was really makjng a stand for a newbe, then why did he make the resolution of the matter impossible? He was not even willing to lay off for 1 day, to see if we would resolve the case. Lorre had previously tried to vilify the VALAR over other matters, and had even contacted us previously in an attempt to get us to war with H. When he attacked Duq, he stated he had grown tired of the game and was ready to leave, I beleive that he was merely looking for a blaze of glory, one which the VALAR were not willing to give him. Hence us not attacking him dirrectly.
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