Peaceful Illy Group (PIG)

Deranzin wrote: well considering that you lost nothing in the previous war one could say that you are taking your time with the whole process

a moment ago not having had a loss in the war didn't mean one didn't have an investment in it. now it does? because now the subject was on the other side of the conflict?

Rill wrote: I find it curious that people exaggerate my influence and contributions, whether they see them positively or negatively.

i find it curious that, after all the work you did within the confederation to build a like-minded power bloc, you would insist that your influence ended with your active presence in the game.

Tyrande Whisperwinds wrote: I find it funny how some PIG's members are precisely some well know war-mongers...ppl who used the pretext of previous wars to wipe parts of the map clean and now put the "peace" hood on and expect to be taken as a "international" authority?

is that more reprehensible than having used the pretext of the most recent war to do the same? i hear the justification "they did it first" a lot from the vCrow side of the war; however eloquently the point is made, it doesn't convince. and...if you are under the impression that PIG expected to be an international authority, you are badly misinformed.

Luthien wrote: The best thing to do when we are in the heat of battle is remember that our opponents are real people just like us, and not just a little pixilated picture on the screen.  If we can all do that, then there is no need for some long confusing document to keep things civil.

and have we proven repeatedly that we can, or that we cannot?


PIG was a long shot from the start, and even if Rill and Kumomoto had become fast friends there were many reasons to expect the venture would fail. if you were there, you know this; if you were not, i wonder why you feel entitled to assign blame.

Edited by Angrim - 30 Oct 2014 at 18:15

I find it funny how some PIG's members are precisely some well know war-mongers...ppl who used the pretext of previous wars to wipe parts of the map clean and now put the "peace" hood on and expect to be taken as a "international" authority?

Yea..right..

I am not sure what your point is, Deranzin.  I was asked to join PIG and did so in good faith.  As I said above, it is possible that the effort, however lofty its goals, was premature.  Or its possible that some of the folks involved, myself included, were not the right ones to pursue the process.

Well... considering that you ad nothing in this topic but a personal fight with Rill, I wonder why you still bother writing. (and me reading...)

Deranzin, I would say that each person involved would be in the best position to judge when he/she can move on without bitterness, or at least without letting it unduly influence decisions and attitudes.  I hope that the time will come for everyone.  I know I'm still going through the process myself.