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Been here for 3 years myself. Just don't chat much on here or GC.  
An account which is logged into once or twice a month isn't inactive, that player would have noticed their alliance was at war (well hopefully they would anyway lol). That wasn't what I was talking about - more the 40+ day absentees etc

But you are talking as if PIG no longer exists, it does and has 22 alliance reps in there. I assume they are still discussing this sort of stuff.
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Originally posted by Mahaut Mahaut wrote:

You seem to be referring to one specific account Angrim.
yes, i was discussing Beecks specifically because that is an account i know attempted to withdraw from the war and was denied the privilege in contraversion of what Capricorne gave as the more general situation. it therefore makes a good example of the sort of situation in which the PIG experiment might/might've had an impact.

Originally posted by Mahaut Mahaut wrote:

what happens if the account holder comes back and insists that it was nothing to do with him/her and promptly sends attacks out?
the same thing, i should think, as would happen if the original account holder breached the agreement. no agreement can keep a player from forswearing him/herself, and PIG last i attended was aware of that.




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Well I'm shocked, shocked I say, that this entirely sincere effort has suffered such a setback, especially based around as open and conciliatory a figure as Kumo.  

I do have a couple questions though.  First, you really kicked someone for accidentally leaking a draft?  Who the heck cares?  Anyone remotely interested in anything PIG is up to can or has just sent a delegate.  Once you've let what, twenty-two different alliances in on it, it is officially no longer secret.  

Second, as a member of NC, who had not desired to participate in the latest war, wasn't your easy window to exit before NC joined that war?  You would certainly have known it was coming, or your sitter would have, which amounts to the same thing.  It was what, like a month in before any NC accounts where being remotely threatened?  
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Aurordan has obviously taken on NC's public speaking... Since NC were hounded out of the game and the VAST majority of them lost most of their (meaning 9 out of 10 for you less minded folks), cities, then let's see how it is fun and cool to make fun of their being wiped out...
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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Aurordan has obviously taken on NC's public speaking... Since NC were hounded out of the game and the VAST majority of them lost most of their (meaning 9 out of 10 for you less minded folks), cities, then let's see how it is fun and cool to make fun of their being wiped out...



I don't think you read what I wrote?  Granted, I'm only understanding vague impressions of ideas from this, but I'm neither speaking for NC nor making fun of them.  
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Aurordan has obviously taken on NC's public speaking... Since NC were hounded out of the game and the VAST majority of them lost most of their (meaning 9 out of 10 for you less minded folks), cities, then let's see how it is fun and cool to make fun of their being wiped out...



I don't think you read what I wrote?  Granted, I'm only understanding vague impressions of ideas from this, but I'm neither speaking for NC nor making fun of them.  


My apologies. I misread it...
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

...as a member of NC, who had not desired to participate in the latest war, wasn't your easy window to exit before NC joined that war?

I kinda misread that the first time, too. I got it now. (Not that it really matters that I get it or not. But anyway...)

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Being absent I have missed many episodes around here, but in my brief spare time I think that I should adress this :

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

In my experience of PIG, Kumomoto spent most of his time complaining about horribly he was treated in the last war -- in spite of the fact that he and his alt both emerged with 10 cities intact.


So what .?. Being able to successfully defend what is yours is suddenly a sin or failing to reduce someone to dust suddenly erazes the said effort .?. LOL

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

As for me, I was willing to be patient and overlook his behavior in the interest of getting things done.  But Kumomoto kicked me out of the group for a simple copy and paste error in global chat, an error for which I immediately apologized.


Another "so what" is forthcoming here ... in which part of this planet an error is rectified with an immediate apology and then de facto has no other repercussions .?.

Hmmm ... let me check my list ... oh ... none.

For such a huge breach of trust, it was quite a suitable repercussion by anyone's standards. Suppose that you had an important RL job in some new project and copy-pasted part of your RL work documents by mistake ... would your colleagues be satisfied with just an "immediate apology" .?. LOL

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I now wonder whether participation in the group was for some folks a cynical effort to "pretend" for the future


Well, what a funny thing to say ... I was thinking the same thing ...

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

For the record, the proposal developed by the group was very similar to the actual policy implemented during the war, which allowed people who were sick of war to make peace and exit the war, whether for personal or game reasons.  I continue to support this as a policy.  People who don't want to be part of a war should have the opportunity for peace with honor.  What this should look like exactly was what PIG was struggling to define while I was a participant.


Well, considering that we all remember "the actual policy implemented during the war", that doesn't sound like a nice prospect to me, despite your usual attemp for beautification and rozy words.

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Perhaps at some point in the future after wounds have healed a little more, additional progress can be made.


Define that, please Smile



Just like a "before and after" ad ! ahahahaah :p
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PIG is a waste of time. Those with power will do as they please. It's always been that way and it will always be so.
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Are you a part of PIG, abstract? Just wonderin'.
In Peace we reign. In War we RULE!

Long live the Royal House of Merlinus!
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