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Sloter 
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 Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 21:44 |
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you added him on target list 2 days before you declared war???how did you know at that time how things will develop?Joscelin was even in RHY at that time, so when his troops protecting RHY siege camp were attacked he sent battle report to H? for some reason?
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The_Dude
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Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 22:43 |
 Sloter wrote:
you added him on target list 2 days before you declared war???how did you know at that time how things will develop?Joscelin was even in RHY at that time, so when his troops protecting RHY siege camp were attacked he sent battle report to H? for some reason? |
It is called "Planning."
I think Consone calls it "magic." 
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Anjire
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Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 23:24 |
Also, at the personal request of RHY Leadership after their forces had come under attack from Druid and Invictus.
Actual time of my forum post adding Buridan to our target list: October 12, 2012, 11:22:59 PM
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:41 |
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I truly don't think that there was a grand conspiracy by either side to create a war. I merely think that Consone didn't think. They just handed out their Soup badges to all comers. And while some were respectful about not invoking the Mothership in their dealings, many used it as an excuse to bully.
H? (and many, many others in Illy) are not going to sit around and watch a mega coalition continue to metastasize in the game we so deeply love. I've seen many Consone members mention that they think H? is scared of the "New World Order" or some such. You know what? Personally, I think they couldn't be more right. I AM really scared about the game I love becoming one where a mega coalition exists in which membership confers a "get out of jail free card" for bullying behavior. And I am not alone. There are many, many others (both within and outside of this war) who feel the same way. They saw numerous occasions of this behavior and don't like it. If this makes us "Old School", then I'm proud to be one of the Old Guard. We don't bully and do not tolerate bullies. The same can't be said of the "New Order".
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The_Dude
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 01:44 |
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Well said, Kumo.
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Thes Hunter
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 04:01 |
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Very well said Mr. Kumo. You articulated my thoughts exactly, except with the sides reversed of course.
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Ander
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 04:24 |
Kumomoto wrote:
They saw numerous occasions of this behavior and don't like it. If this makes us "Old School", then I'm proud to be one of the Old Guard. We don't bully and do not tolerate bullies. The same can't be said of the "New Order".
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If there were occasions where consone alliances acted unjustly, why did you not start a war on any such occasion? Why did you have to bully SkB for a month, provoking a response from Absa and starta war where you do not have any moral ground?
The_Dude, not everyone calls it magic, though admittedly there were few.
A few players had moved to Rhy from H to start the war. To some of us, it was clear from that time itself that all this was being orchestrated by H. But it was very difficult to convince the truth to others. Even many in the leadership positions thought it was something about trove mine and Rhy - they did not think H were bullies or the type of people who use lies and deception to achieve their ends.
Edited by Ander - 04 Jan 2013 at 04:46
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Ander
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 04:31 |
The community allies with stronger side in every issue. If a small party does some injustice, they will pounce on him and lynch him. If a strong party does injustice, the community will say this is a war game. 
H declared war on Absa first, right? I'd love to see it if you can tell a single incident where Absa bullied anyone or dealt unfairly.
Edited by Ander - 04 Jan 2013 at 04:31
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 05:02 |
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Well tried, Ander...
If anyone believes that H? had the initial bullying actions of this conflict, then they are ignoring history. I know current PR modus operandi is to just spout "that is a lie" enough times and things become so confused that the general public can't tell the difference, but here it is clear. Consone took actions, H? reacted to those actions. Period. So let's not try to be like a US Presidential campaign, please? Shouting "you are liars" enough times will not save you. The Illy community (unlike the US electorate) know what happened, so all you are doing is degrading your own credibility...
and Thes... stop trying to be trite. If we bullied and you decided to step up to us (which is the reverse of what I said), then you have an alternate universe that you are going to have to convince everyone we live in. You are diluting Ander's mildly eloquent arguments...
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Ossian
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:32 |
Kumomoto wrote:
I truly don't think that there was a grand conspiracy by either side to create a war. I merely think that Consone didn't think. They just handed out their Soup badges to all comers. And while some were respectful about not invoking the Mothership in their dealings, many used it as an excuse to bully.
H? (and many, many others in Illy) are not going to sit around and watch a mega coalition continue to metastasize in the game we so deeply love. I've seen many Consone members mention that they think H? is scared of the "New World Order" or some such. You know what? Personally, I think they couldn't be more right. I AM really scared about the game I love becoming one where a mega coalition exists in which membership confers a "get out of jail free card" for bullying behavior. And I am not alone. There are many, many others (both within and outside of this war) who feel the same way. They saw numerous occasions of this behavior and don't like it. If this makes us "Old School", then I'm proud to be one of the Old Guard. We don't bully and do not tolerate bullies. The same can't be said of the "New Order".
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What nonsense! I am begiining to think that you must believe your own second rate and obviously distorted propaganda.
So you are feeling "scary about the game you love" are you? So much so that you can smear, and degrade what was a progressive confederation of alliances and then manufacture false reasons to attack them. Now you are trying to paint them as some sort of bullying conglomerate which couldn't be further from the truth.
The truth is Kumomoto that it is you that has "scared" people . People are leaving the game because of the situation brought about by this stupid irresposnsible war for which you have to bear the responsibility. Not Absa, nor Valar and not Consone but YOU!!! There are an increasing number of players who have received "bullying", "arrogant" and downright intimidating mails from you personally Kumomoto. It is you who are "scary".
This War was not brought about by any fear or love the game on your part. It is clear from KP's posts from the outset that H? was worried about its own status and engineered the war to be able to attack Consone. . H? did not give a "fig" for the game. H? only cares about H?
You and the tail coat graspers that follow you around the forum make me sick!
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