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Hora 
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 Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 04:05 |
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...you're right, Ander. Maybe it was a too vary assumption from the mere fact he was insulting the players fighting us (and many others, too, btw...).
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Ander
Postmaster General
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 04:01 |
 Le Roux wrote:
Ossian wrote:
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I would question the wisdom of a Consone member prodding Crowfed about lack of neutrality... |
Do you know him to be a consone member Le Roux? If yes, whom?
If he is a consone player (I do not think he is), I would ask him to stop provoking GMs and stop provoking neutral players and stop speaking on behalf of consone.
Hora wrote:
Ossian, as you seem to be a Consone member, |
Do you know him to be a consone player Hora? I wouldnt assume such a thing, and he certainly doesnt seem to be a consone member to me.
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Hora
Postmaster
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 03:17 |
Dear Crow alliance members...
I have no idea myself who Ossian is ingame, but I have heard no bad talking about Crows in any intern forums/chats I have access to. We fully respect their neutrality, and I didn't hear any bad things about any recruiting policy so far (sounds all fine to me)
Ossian, as you seem to be a Consone member, please stop searching bad things in neutral alliances. Further it never harms being respectful to "enemy" players, however hard it might be sometimes 
And thanks Rill for the kind explanation on your recruitment.
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Le Roux
Wordsmith
Joined: 30 May 2012
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Points: 151
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 02:29 |
Ossian wrote:
For those Consone members who are considering neutrailty by joining the Crow federation - that option was blocked a long time ago by ScottFitz ( who has never been neutral). It was recently confirmed in a post from a crow member that those who belonged to alliances hostile to the Coalition would not be accepted into Crowfed. ...
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Like most things in life, blanket statements, especially concerning something as free-ranging as the Crowfed, tend to be inherently flawed ... every recruiting case brings a unique set of circumstances, and there is no "one size fits all"... certainly I can imagine circumstances where we would indeed have no interest in a "hot potato" , no desire to buy into the war by admitting active participants, but where individuals have resolved issues ... it is not inconceivable . . . again , careful review of the circumstances... just responsible recruiting ...
I would question the wisdom of a Consone member prodding Crowfed about lack of neutrality... really want to start bashing Crows at this point? Seems about as wise Napoleon marching into Russia in the dead of winter.....
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Location: Sydney
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 00:50 |
Deranzin wrote:
Well, since they seem to be bloating things totally out of proportion |
SHAZAM!
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"ouch...best of luck."
HonoredMule
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twilights
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 00:38 |
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demands are that u drink a six pack before playing and all guys must play without their shirts on and obey anything their wives or girl friends tell them to do, much the same as the rules of belonging to dark empire or any of the eagle alliances..oh we talking about peace....never mind
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Deranzin
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Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 22:24 |
scaramouche wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
Loud Whispers wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
- How did Roads get such a different deal - and much better - than the one you are talking about?
- How can you raze your own cities?
- What does "all gold" mean? How much is that?
- Define "insane amount."
- What on earth does "forswear friends and allies" mean exactly? Stop talking in 3 dollar drama book lingo please.
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Instead of arguing semantics why not just ask for proof of these claims? It would be a great deal more productive. It would be refreshingly simple too, matching the reality to the conditions and seeing how much they differ or adhere. |
they 'd better explain in more detail what they are talking about |
this part sounds like a threat...although you probably meant it differently?? |
There is no need to be jumpy. Since when a phrase like "if you work in the field, you'd better wash you hands before eating" is a threat .?.
The logic is simple : If you are going to talk about such stuff in public, you'd better explain what you say instead of being vague for YOUR benefit.
Simple as that and obviously no threats involved. 
| sounds to me like no matter what people tell you what the demands were/are...you dont/wont believe them anyway, yet you still argue the toss...maybe you should ask your own leadership what the terms were/are..or do they keep you lot in the dark about this as well? |
Well, since they seem to be bloating things totally out of proportion and Roads DID get a much better deal than what they describe, I think that we can all have the benefit of doubting what they claim till they get more to the point and do away with the drama, as I said to their benefit.
And no, I do not wish to ask my leadership ... I trust them to do their part and within what is reasonable, so I'd like to ask the other side if you do not mind.
Edited by Deranzin - 07 Jan 2013 at 22:27
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scaramouche
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Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 21:58 |
Deranzin wrote:
Loud Whispers wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
- How did Roads get such a different deal - and much better - than the one you are talking about?
- How can you raze your own cities?
- What does "all gold" mean? How much is that?
- Define "insane amount."
- What on earth does "forswear friends and allies" mean exactly? Stop talking in 3 dollar drama book lingo please.
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Instead of arguing semantics why not just ask for proof of these claims? It would be a great deal more productive. It would be refreshingly simple too, matching the reality to the conditions and seeing how much they differ or adhere. |
they 'd better explain in more detail what they are talking about |
this part sounds like a threat...although you probably meant it differently??
sounds to me like no matter what people tell you what the demands were/are...you dont/wont believe them anyway, yet you still argue the toss...maybe you should ask your own leadership what the terms were/are..or do they keep you lot in the dark about this as well?
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 21:50 |
Since there are as many perspectives in CrowFed as there are Crows, I want to say something about recruiting.
I recruit for HUGcr and nCrow. Our policy as neutral parties is not to shield players from consequences of their actions in a war -- we are not a refuge for people who bit off more than they can chew. However, this does not mean that we exclude people who have participated in war.
When a player applies to one of my alliances from one of the alliances at war, I go through normal procedures that I would with any player who is joining -- I consult with the leaders of their former alliance(s) and ask if they are involved in any ongoing disputes. I accept players who have a reputation for fair play from both friends and opponents and resolve any outstanding disputes prior to their entry in the alliance. In the case of warring parties, this may mean negotiating a settlement or making a commitment with regard to withdrawal of troops, cancellation of offensive spells, etc.
In this procedure, I doubt I am different from any prudent alliance leader.
I have had several players from both sides of the conflict apply during the war. Some have ended up joining, others have not. In every case in which a player has joined, this has been done openly and with full knowledge of both sides.
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Deranzin
Postmaster
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Points: 845
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Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 21:18 |
Loud Whispers wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
- How did Roads get such a different deal - and much better - than the one you are talking about? - How can you raze your own cities? - What does "all gold" mean? How much is that? - Define "insane amount." - What on earth does "forswear friends and allies" mean exactly? Stop talking in 3 dollar drama book lingo please. |
Instead of arguing semantics why not just ask for proof of these claims? It would be a great deal more productive. It would be refreshingly simple too, matching the reality to the conditions and seeing how much they differ or adhere. |
First of all asking from someone to explain his totally vague allegations is not "semantics" and second, the easiest way for them to answer is what you described, but I will not ask from anyone such a thing as I believe that negotiations shouldn't be conducted in public.
But since they are bringing things up, they 'd better explain in more detail what they are talking about instead of making vague and pompous remarks with no face value.
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