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Elmindra
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Joined: 10 Sep 2012
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 17:49 |
My god, again with the quote boxes.
First, I do not claim to know how everyone thinks, I simply read what they write. Nor did I say everyone, I said many.
Second, I do not enter into this conversation dictating how everyone should think, act, or feel. I simply stated that others should not assume what they do not know. I never once stated this, nor did I once post a double standard.
And without digging through WAY too many of these posts, you very much are one of the people I was talking to in regards to not making assumptions when you don't know the facts.
I realize that you don't comprehend what I have written and for that I am sorry, but simply quoting select words and then not even reading them before posting what you think they mean is not a very good way of proving a point.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 17:37 |
Elmindra wrote:
I made as much of a grand generalization by stating that "everyone thinks non-leaders in alliances are lemmings" as you (and many others) have made by stating that "everyone other than leaders in alliances are lemmings." |
I do not remember writting anything of the sort and I find the ease with which you attribute me the phrase very amusing.
Elmindra wrote:
I would also point out that many of the people who complain about war and then leave the game are not complaining about the war, but the reasons behind the war. |
So, now, once again you know how EVERYONE THINKS .... nice ... do you do children's parties with that skill .?. 
Elmindra wrote:
Many have had no problems with their own alliances reactions, but their problems are with the Coalition's actions. Simply reading these reasons and decrying "you are just a follower!" or "join another alliance!" lends further credence to the fact that you don't fully comprehend what they feel or their reasons for leaving. |
Yippie ! So, when I propose to them to excercise their free will and move to an alliance they will have more fun in, I am "misguided" and I cannot comprehend the problem ([Edit] - and once again who placed you as a judge on other people's knowledge ? [/edit]) ... apart from that you accuse others for seeing people as lemmings when you come in here and DICTATE how should everyone think, acts and feel.
Well, ain't those double standards of yours funny or what ? 
Edited by Deranzin - 10 Jan 2013 at 17:39
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Cilcain
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 16:01 |
Hmmm. so I am either a hardcore holdout or a lemming. I am neither. That comment just sounds like a rather poorly veiled attempt to divide alliances - not to mention crudely generalistic.
For the record, I for one will not be seeking an agreement to transfer to CrowFed - I have respect for what they are, and their current stance. But in my opinion, it would just be delaying the inevitable; i.e. a few months down the line, H? get bored again (ref Scar's comment) and have a look around at who else they feel threatened by. If they planned it cleverly, they would time it to coincide with a tournament where they deliberately under committed their armies...........nah, that'd be too obvious surely??
If the supposed peace terms mentioned in this thread are accurate (I'm inclined to believe they are), then it's obvious that H? are still gung-ho wanting this war to continue as practically speaking those terms will never be met and they know it (in my opinion).
I have no problem with war being part of this game (why else would we have armies etc.), what I don't like is the continued deluge of smoke and mirrors to try and paint the aggressors in sweetness and light
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Elmindra
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Joined: 10 Sep 2012
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 15:15 |
I made as much of a grand generalization by stating that "everyone thinks non-leaders in alliances are lemmings" as you (and many others) have made by stating that "everyone other than leaders in alliances are lemmings."
While I agree that speaking about a small percentage of the Coalition does not represent the whole, neither do the small percent of Consone that continue to be a part yet complain about war represent the whole as well.
My point was simply; 1 - do not assume things you do not know and 2 - it is fairly bad form to make sweeping generalizations about others. The simple fact that I had to do the same in order to prove a point further proves the point.
I would also point out that many of the people who complain about war and then leave the game are not complaining about the war, but the reasons behind the war. Many have had no problems with their own alliances reactions, but their problems are with the Coalition's actions. Simply reading these reasons and decrying "you are just a follower!" or "join another alliance!" lends further credence to the fact that you don't fully comprehend what they feel or their reasons for leaving.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 15:06 |
Elmindra wrote:
Once again, neither one of those statements made any sense at all. |
What did you not understand .?. You made an grand generalization and I wondered since when you are appointed to speak of EVERYONE.
Elmindra wrote:
Just because an alliance has a leader doesn't mean that everyone else simply follows that leader without any input, questions, or control. Thinking otherwise is nearsighted and wrong. |
I agree and that is why many times I wondered why people stay in alliances that are participating in a war and then come here to complain about it or, like Afaslizo, complain and then leave the game !!
If they do not like war, there are DOZENS of PEACEFUL alliances ... join Tranquil Vision ! It is there still ! 
Grego wrote:
If you have read previous Deranzin's posts you should know how he see social organisations. Those on high places are here to think, rest will follow instructions. |
One of these days I will make a catalogue of your insults towards me, veiled and unveiled and place them in my signature just for the entertaintment  ... your idea of ethics concerning proper discussion/behaviour is so appauling that it is funny.
Edited by Deranzin - 10 Jan 2013 at 15:06
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Grego
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 14:30 |
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If you have read previous Deranzin's posts you should know how he see social organisations. Those on high places are here to think, rest will follow instructions.
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Elmindra
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 13:35 |
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Once again, neither one of those statements made any sense at all. Just because an alliance has a leader doesn't mean that everyone else simply follows that leader without any input, questions, or control. Thinking otherwise is nearsighted and wrong.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 13:14 |
Elmindra wrote:
Why exactly is everyone's first instinct to call everyone but the alliance leaders lemmings? |
Since when you are "everyone" .?.  Also, you are not an alliance leader either so does your epithet include you as well .?. 
Chaos Armor wrote:
gameplayer wrote:
let chaos rule illyriad!
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No thanks. I've too much to do elsewhere. |
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Chaos Armor
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 00:50 |
gameplayer wrote:
let chaos rule illyriad!
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No thanks. I've too much to do elsewhere. 
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Elmindra
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Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 22:40 |
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Why exactly is everyone's first instinct to call everyone but the alliance leaders lemmings?
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