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scaramouche 
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Joined: 25 Apr 2011
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 Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 19:53 |
 The_Dude wrote:
Ander wrote:
The_Dude wrote:
When I do, will you quit Illy for insinuating I am a liar? If you will quit Illy, I will dig up the mails.
Deal? |
I am not yet fully convinced that you are a liar. 
If you show me the mail where you complained to Jasche/Grego of Absa bullying you, I will publicly apologize for doubting you.
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I reject your counter-offer. Your apology is not worth it a wooden nickle to me. Your unwillingness to lay it all on the line is sufficient proof that you already know that Consone leaders are duplicitous, dishonest, untruthful, and bullies. |
I dont understand why ... you keep insisting players to quit Illy?
I've seen you do this couple times now...and its worrying.
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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The_Dude
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Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 20:28 |
Scar, I have not insisted that anyone quit. I have wagered it tho. And they have refused the wager. And that was that. And I have recommended it to people bellyaching about not having fun in Illy. This is entertainment which should be fun. If you ain't having fun, it is only logical to quit. So I try to help those players behave rationally.
Don't worry. Be happy. Are you happy?
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scaramouche
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 20:43 |
The_Dude wrote:
Scar, I have not insisted that anyone quit. I have wagered it tho. And they have refused the wager. And that was that. And I have recommended it to people bellyaching about not having fun in Illy. This is entertainment which should be fun. If you ain't having fun, it is only logical to quit. So I try to help those players behave rationally.
Don't worry. Be happy. Are you happy? |
I'm always happy..except when im on call out duty...back to the point, there are other wagers to be made other than putting accounts up as a bet though....a town or two maybe..but lets please steer clear of asking people to quit for a bet or any other reason. :)
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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The_Dude
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 21:37 |
Nah. I like big bets. Besides, Consone smashes my sieges. 
Again, I am not asking anyone to quit. The wagers were declined. Fair enough. I will always advise players not having fun to quit Illy and invest their time in fashion that is fun for them. Again...rationality dictates this. I'm just being helpful.
Apparently, you think players should remain in Illy even when they do not enjoy it. To me, that is not rational.  |
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Mr Damage
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 03:24 |
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Another pointless thread, once everyone has their say. Move on.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 13:25 |
The_Dude wrote:
Nah. I like big bets. Besides, Consone smashes my sieges.
Again, I am not asking anyone to quit. The wagers were declined. Fair enough. I will always advise players not having fun to quit Illy and invest their time in fashion that is fun for them. Again...rationality dictates this. I'm just being helpful.
Apparently, you think players should remain in Illy even when they do not enjoy it. To me, that is not rational. |
I would never expect anyone to stay in the game if they're unhappy with it..but that is a decision only they should make/take..I would never suggest they would/should quit..I, as a long term player would like ALL players old and new to stay in the game for as long as the game exists, even though I know that never happens.
People come and go all the time in all games but it should never come down to them leaving because it is suggested to them by other people.
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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Deranzin
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Joined: 10 Oct 2011
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 15:44 |
Alti (SkB) wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
- Why an alliance (SkB) will call for help to clear out 6000 troops which they were perfectly able to handle on their own .?. (if not for the obvious reason to bully their opponent ?) |
SkB asked for diplomatic assistance from Absa, as we had with success on a previous occasion. We did not expect a military intervention. |
Ehm ... you want us to believe that you asked for " diplomatic assistance from Absa" and they just sent some armies in your DIPLOMATIC opponents, turning a diplomatic matter to a military one without your consent .?. Sorry, that notion is simply hillarious !
Also that doesn't explain WHY you felt compelled to ask for help to deal with 6000 troops in the first place, which was actually my question. I didn't ask what kind of help you requested from ABSA ... I asked WHY bother asking for help for such a trivial amount of troops if not for the obvious reason of intimidating your opponents .?.
If there was some OTHER idea/reason WHY you needed another alliance to help you with clearing such a small force (when you were perfectly capable of doing so yourselves), please inform us on the matter.
There is the small thing of why they bothered sending an offensive force that was bound to lose, but that is a question for another day and something tells me that you wouldn't like to answer to that either ... 
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- Why would TWO alliances call for help to win over only one alliance , which they were proven later to have the firepower to easily handle on their own .?. (if not for the obvious reason for further intimidation ?) |
Because at that point, it was obvious that H? was already assisting RHY sieges against Absa.
It is my belief that, had certain players who were then members of RHY not been high on their secret deal with H?, all of this would have been resolved peacefully. |
I am in a good mood so, supposing this is so, still the firepower of SkB and ABSA was sufficient to deal with 4-5 sieges EASILY, so why call upon VIC for a problem you can solve yourself easily when iirc it was declared in the forums publicly that such a thing would lead to the escalation of this war to its present size .?.
With those things in mind I'd suggest most of you to at least try not to feign totally ignorance and lack of responsibility for the whole situation. 
Have a nice day. 
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Grego
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 17:26 |
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Deranzin, you rather enjoy sound of your own words than think about
what other people have said.
You believe that is easy to deal with 4-5
sieges. RHY had close to 400000 troops in buildings, even with all help
from our allies they managed to raze one city before cease-fire was
established. Whatever you may think about Trove mine incident,
destruction of those cities was unacceptable and we were forced to ask
for help. Who can say that would act different in such situation?
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Deranzin
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 20:12 |
Grego wrote:
You believe that is easy to deal with 4-5
sieges. RHY had close to 400000 troops in buildings, even with all help
from our allies they managed to raze one city before cease-fire was
established. Whatever you may think about Trove mine incident,
destruction of those cities was unacceptable and we were forced to ask
for help. Who can say that would act different in such situation?
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For TWO alliances, yes it is not that large a number to cope with and it was proven in the war that you had the force to break those sieges.
But, ok, let us say that you deemed those forces too much to deal with and asked for help. I consider this one answered, in some way.
Now do you care to answer my first question and also tell us why you "messed things up" for your allies in SkB who asked for "diplomatic help" and you sent ARMIES in a diplomatic situation without their knowledge (according to Alti's post that is).
Personally I find Alti's allegations very unlikely and extremely hillarious, so I am very interested in your opinion on Alti's point of view. :)
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Vanerin
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Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 20:31 |
I am not sure why it is so terrible of a crime for a confed to assist their confed? I don't see why it is a problem for H? to help RHY and I don't see why it is an issue that Absa helped SkB.
Side note: TD as much as I respect you, it is kinda hard to take you seriously when you go on and on about accusations but don't care to actually show anything for it. If you are not willing to share your evidence, it is kinda pointless to talk about it.
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