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Grego 
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 Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:44 |
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One and only "agression" by Absaroke was announced occupation of SkB mine, one which RHY member harrassed for long period of time ( and promised to SkB he will leave). That is your "Old school", Kumo: Burn those who don't submit to you.
It is possible to reveal what happened in every single detail, we don't need to shout.
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twilights
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 12:28 |
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the only thing i will say is thank you to all involved in this war. it has made this game extremely fun and is finally bringing in more players i can relate to. people dont need a reason to war but for some reason people seem think there should be one. as a strategy player it is hard to achieve goals when there is no conflict in a war strategy game. maybe it is time to accept the game for what it is and not try to make it something it isnt. other words....play the game. ask yourself why there are limited v2 resources and why we make troops and craft war items. ask yourself why there are alliances, confederations, and naps. ask why we build castles, why there is going to be factions, what our dips do. people have to realize this is a game and we should be playing it to have fun. but then again reasoning could be completely wrong....wink wink
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Deranzin
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 14:40 |
 Sloter wrote:
It was all part of our plan to lose up to 40% Consone troops in tourney and then secretly ask RHY to start 5-6 sieges on our confeds, but somehwere along the way it all went wrong.I guess biggest mistake we made was when we declared war on H?....oh wait, now i remember, we only targeted siege camps set on our confeds when war was declared on us.But do repeat that story few more times belarg and over time it will become truth. |
Yes, with the H? mind controlling machine (patent pending) EVERYTHING is possible   :
Some questions for your delusions:
- Why an alliance (SkB) will call for help to clear out 6000 troops which they were perfectly able to handle on their own .?. (if not for the obvious reason to bully their opponent ?)
- Why would TWO alliances call for help to win over only one alliance , which they were proven later to have the firepower to easily handle on their own .?. (if not for the obvious reason for further intimidation ?)- Why would H? and the rest of the people want to turn this place into Travian (or whatever) when they are the very same people that toiled for years to establish it as a newbie friendly game within a mostly peaceful server .?. If there are reasonable answers to those questions, I'd be delighted to read them and discuss them. Other than that I see that you are as bent on seeing this war through as the people you accuse to be warlike and placing the blame on us for "making you like that" and blaming your actions to some sinister secret plan of other is not a really mature thing to think or say. More like a kid saying to the teachers "I didn't want to throw that chalk on your head, Tim made me do it !"  For once try to make sense and give a rational explanation to your actions ...
| Additionally, attacking sieging armies IS an attack on another, whether it is directly against their cities or not. If VIC were sieging PEACE, and Dlord jumped in and broke their sieges. VIC would not shrug and leave it alone, nor would ABSA or any other alliance. And it was mostly VIC who broke the sieges... on your doorsteps. Again, I'm not against nor opposed to allies helping one another, but yet again, if you swing a punch, expect one in return.. and not always from the same person (ie.. VIC for ABSA, H for RHY) |
Which is quite funny since they didn't really need VIC's help to accomplish that, but called them in anyway ... :p
| and degrade what was a progressive confederation of alliances |
Progressive .?. ahahahahah ... spare us the political theory jargon please since apparently ...
| Not Absa, nor Valar and not Consone but YOU!!! |
... you seem to consider childly abdicating from ANY responsibility for your actions, as progress.
Edited by Deranzin - 04 Jan 2013 at 14:43
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 16:12 |
Ossian wrote:
Kumomoto wrote:
I truly don't think that there was a grand conspiracy by either side to create a war. I merely think that Consone didn't think. They just handed out their Soup badges to all comers. And while some were respectful about not invoking the Mothership in their dealings, many used it as an excuse to bully.
H? (and many, many others in Illy) are not going to sit around and watch a mega coalition continue to metastasize in the game we so deeply love. I've seen many Consone members mention that they think H? is scared of the "New World Order" or some such. You know what? Personally, I think they couldn't be more right. I AM really scared about the game I love becoming one where a mega coalition exists in which membership confers a "get out of jail free card" for bullying behavior. And I am not alone. There are many, many others (both within and outside of this war) who feel the same way. They saw numerous occasions of this behavior and don't like it. If this makes us "Old School", then I'm proud to be one of the Old Guard. We don't bully and do not tolerate bullies. The same can't be said of the "New Order".
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What nonsense! I am begiining to think that you must believe your own second rate and obviously distorted propaganda.
So you are feeling "scary about the game you love" are you? So much so that you can smear, and degrade what was a progressive confederation of alliances and then manufacture false reasons to attack them. Now you are trying to paint them as some sort of bullying conglomerate which couldn't be further from the truth.
The truth is Kumomoto that it is you that has "scared" people . People are leaving the game because of the situation brought about by this stupid irresposnsible war for which you have to bear the responsibility. Not Absa, nor Valar and not Consone but YOU!!! There are an increasing number of players who have received "bullying", "arrogant" and downright intimidating mails from you personally Kumomoto. It is you who are "scary".
This War was not brought about by any fear or love the game on your part. It is clear from KP's posts from the outset that H? was worried about its own status and engineered the war to be able to attack Consone. . H? did not give a "fig" for the game. H? only cares about H?
You and the tail coat graspers that follow you around the forum make me sick!
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I can feel the love emanating out through your tinfoil hat! I want some of whatever cool aid Ossian is drinking! But I'd best retreat to my secret underground lair so I can creepily stroke my cat while contemplating what further evil to plot...
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asr
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 16:52 |
I would like to state my opinion.
Game=Real life IF you remove the environment! But you don't need to do it, it only gives better viewpoint.
To make it more clear then the illyriad(environment) is a medium(communication portal) between people.
What you consider being real? is the reality only there where your body is or your mind?
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belargyle
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Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 17:01 |
Ossian wrote:
What nonsense! I am begiining to think that you must believe your own second rate and obviously distorted propaganda. |
This coming from you.. LOL
| So you are feeling "scary about the game you love" are you? So much so that you can smear, and degrade what was a progressive confederation of alliances and then manufacture false reasons to attack them. Now you are trying to paint them as some sort of bullying conglomerate which couldn't be further from the truth. |
Nope - you're wrong there and there are many who can vouch for the FACT that 'some' (not all in Consone, as Kumo stated) did try using Consone to bully others into doing what they wanted. Dlord is in that group though I could careless if you believe me or not. Dlord have had good interactions with many of Consone members (such as EE, who were diplomatic and good negotiators).
| The truth is Kumomoto that it is you that has "scared" people . People are leaving the game because of the situation brought about by this stupid irresposnsible war for which you have to bear the responsibility. |
Wrong. Many are leaving the game due to their alliances staying in a war they don't want, others are leaving because there isn't much more they can do now but wait (however long that is) till the next large update to add some new aspects to the game. However what you need to wrap your head around is that Consone is the one who holds the responsibility for the war currently in progress, and no amount white-washing will change that. The war would have simply been against H and Absa and VIC... Consone COULD have sought peace through negotiations FIRST.. did they? No. They declared war instead. The Coalition in the early part of the war told Consone that if they would stop fighting, we would stop fighting.. Consone said no.
No matter how you wish to slice this apple, it falls squarely upon Consones shoulders for the war being in existence. We can still end the war by Consone simply surrendering. They made the war as big as it is, to expand the length of the map. They even went so far as to try to recruit other alliances to join them in their war. Yes, that sounds like someone who is looking to be peaceful and not wanting war.
So please keep swallowing the same ol' tripe 'Soup', but please don't offer it others who know what is in it.
| ... There are an increasing number of players who have received "bullying", "arrogant" and downright intimidating mails from you personally Kumomoto. It is you who are "scary". |
Bullying .. LOL. You are in a war, forcing the other side to back down is one aspect in a war. It can be done in various ways but that IS a part of what they signed up for. Now that they are in an actual war, they don't like what comes with it?
| You and the tail coat graspers that follow you around the forum make me sick! |
Well then, go get some medicine and come back to the game when you feel better. We will be here waiting.
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The_Dude
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Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 17:27 |
Grego wrote:
One and only "agression" by Absaroke was announced occupation of SkB mine, one which RHY member harrassed for long period of time ( and promised to SkB he will leave). That is your "Old school", Kumo: Burn those who don't submit to you.
It is possible to reveal what happened in every single detail, we don't need to shout.
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Prior to the outbreak of the Consone War, Absa attacked several RES armies guarding herbs/mines. Interestingly, Absa made no effort to claim those sites, just wanted to kill RES armies, apparently. In my book, that was a clear act of aggression.
I attribute the sudden change to an aggressive posture by Absa to the creation of Consone. Consone emboldened Absa to become another bully alliance. Consone expressed no interest in reining in Absa's aggression. Just as Consone expressed no interest in reining in WE's aggression.
Consone was created to establish a military power block immune to the interests of non-Consone players/alliances. Consone clearly demonstrated it intended to attack at will with the belief that their size and geographic distribution made them unstoppable [Please see the thread announcing Consone and the related Maps and pop counts they published for the purpose of awing Illy with their power.]
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The_Dude
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 17:33 |
Ossian wrote:
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The truth is Kumomoto that it is you that has "scared" people . People are leaving the game because of the situation brought about by this stupid irresposnsible war for which you have to bear the responsibility. Not Absa, nor Valar and not Consone but YOU!!! There are an increasing number of players who have received "bullying", "arrogant" and downright intimidating mails from you personally Kumomoto. It is you who are "scary".
This War was not brought about by any fear or love the game on your part. It is clear from KP's posts from the outset that H? was worried about its own status and engineered the war to be able to attack Consone. . H? did not give a "fig" for the game. H? only cares about H?
You and the tail coat graspers that follow you around the forum make me sick!
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Ossian, The only people responsible for Consone members leaving Illy are the leaders of Consone and the individual players that choose to leave the game. If Consone had not started bullying people across multiple alliances, there would have been no war. I personally spent many months and many mails trying to get the bullying to end peacefully. The response was Consone sending siege against RES. Even then, I tried for another day and change to get peace. Consone rejected peace.
Any individual player in Consone that does not want to be treated like a bully should leave Consone. Apparently, Alfas wanted to continue being a bully but like all bullies, he could not stand getting hit back.
To all bullies that leave Illy, I say: "Good Riddance and Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya."
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Ander
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 17:37 |
The_Dude wrote:
Prior to the outbreak of the Consone War, Absa attacked several RES armies guarding herbs/mines. Interestingly, Absa made no effort to claim those sites, just wanted to kill RES armies, apparently. In my book, that was a clear act of aggression.
I attribute the sudden change to an aggressive posture by Absa to the creation of Consone. Consone emboldened Absa to become another bully alliance. |
wow! whom in Absa did you contact when your armies were attacked? i am surprised I never heard of the incident.
The_Dude wrote:
Consone expressed no interest in reining in Absa's aggression. Just as Consone expressed no interest in reining in WE's aggression. |
you contacted consone as well for absa's aggression against you? yet i didnt come to know of it. how strange! whom in consone did you contact to rein in absa's aggression?
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The_Dude
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Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 17:45 |
Ander wrote:
*** you contacted consone as well for absa's aggression against you? yet i didnt come to know of it. how strange! whom in consone did you contact to rein in absa's aggression?
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Typical Consone tactic - lying about official contacts. Your illustrious leader Jasche was fully apprised as well as Grego. Now Ander claims to have been the relevant contact point.
That is just another illustration how Consone never had any intention of behaving peacefully. Always with the run-around and denial of responsibility.
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