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Corwin 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Location: Farshards
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Points: 310
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 Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:45 |
 Smoking GNU wrote:
So, basically, they're afraid to enter in a fight you see as righteous for Valar and the only hope for a fair game in Illy and allowing Valar to get crushed?
Basically the opposite of what Lorre did?
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You should read my posts with more care. I said I'm neutral in the matter. I don't know where this fight is all about, so I can't really say who's righteous and who's not. All I meant to say is:
I can imagine people are intimidated by the might of the forces that are attacking Valar and therefore are to affraid to help their confederation, but I'm only guessing here as I am not in an alliance confederated with Valar.
Is that clear enough for you?
In het Nederlands:
Ik weet niet waar de oorlog over gaat, omdat ik hier nog steeds geen duidelijke uitleg heb kunnen vinden. Ik kan me voorstellen dat allianties niet direct in een oorlog met de grootste alliantie springen, maar dat is alleen maar een gok, ik weet niet waarom andere allianties handelen zoals ze doen, ik heb niet overal spionnen zitten.
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karpintero
Greenhorn
Joined: 27 Sep 2011
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Points: 50
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:53 |
lorre wrote:
why would they be afraid when they know valar will help them?
also atleast tell who you are noone here has been attacked for stating there oppinion why should you be? |
Can Valar help them when Valar themselves are embroiled in a 5 versus 1 battle? Ding ding ding! The answer is no!
And no, I have my reasons for not telling you who I am. Please respect that.
Edited by karpintero - 27 Sep 2011 at 14:54
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Smoking GNU
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Joined: 12 Jun 2010
Location: Windhoek
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 15:07 |
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I've made my point and the arguments smack of desperation. If it were so unjust what was happening, half the server would stand up in disgust and protest. Like with the "rabble-rousing" that happened with Berberos, isn't that so Valar?
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Corwin
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Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Location: Farshards
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 15:12 |
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i'm not saying its injust, I'm asking for explanation, so I can see why this war is needed. Still, none of the participants have posted their reasons. What is it Valar did that is so bad? Please I want to hear it. I really want to believe you, but I hear no reasons
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 17:16 |
Erik Dirk wrote:
Smoking GNU, the point is will this be a better game without valar, and yes they are good at making enemies and all the targets so far I can see the motivation to attack them, however boromir is another matter, his towns are being culled off for being in valar rather than any specific actions or comments.In a war boromir would be fair game, however this seems to have become removing what you consider an infected limb, but in that case you shouldn't remove the other leg as well.
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Saying that your Confed partner is bad for Illy ... that's a very odd view for the de facto leader of a Confed alliance.
The idea that wars should exclude certain significant members of an alliance is ... baffling. I think this is clearly a War so all members of VALAR are fair game. To think that a player as important as Borormir should be left in reserve until VALAR decides to engage his forces is ludicrous.
Azreil said that 100% of his alliance will support him to the end. When Boromir exits VALAR, then perhaps, he can negotiate a separate peace for himself.
The rest of your comments imply that you KNOW the goals of the H? coalition are to eliminate certain players. KP has clearly stated this is NOT the goal of the war. Do you think KP is being disengenuous?
Unrelated to ED's quote above... I get a kick watching the pro-VALAR folks making all these public speeches about GC opinion. The alliances arrayed against VALAR have nothing to do with GC opinion. By the same token, the protestations on the forum will not alter the course of events, nor move public opinion much in any direction.
I am reminded of the 5 stages of grief - Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance
Denial and Anger are very well expressed so far.
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petitsinge
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Joined: 03 Sep 2011
Location: San Diego
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Points: 8
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:06 |
Okay so page 32 of this thread and I'm still not clear on something - who's this Lorre that everyone is speaking of?
Man! Our leadership really *doesn't* tell us anything!
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Kurfist
Postmaster
Joined: 14 Apr 2011
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Points: 824
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:17 |
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Lorre is the founder of P A, a Crusader who is hell bent on removing anything "harmful" to illyriad.
Sums it up pretty well.
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Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:22 |
Kurfist wrote:
Lorre is the founder of P A, a Crusader who is hell bent on removing anything "harmful" to illyriad.
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Oooh, the "Crusader" word! Kurfie-- Question. Do you moonlight as a propagandist for Al Queda in your RL? 
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Kurfist
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:23 |
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Do I moonlight as a propagandist for Al Qaeda in real life?
I am not familiar with the phrase "moonlight", what do you mean?
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Patience is a virtue, resource giving is a sin
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petitsinge
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Joined: 03 Sep 2011
Location: San Diego
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 20:31 |
petitsinge wrote:
Okay so page 32 of this thread and I'm still not clear on something - who's this Lorre that everyone is speaking of?
Man! Our leadership really *doesn't* tell us anything! |
to clarify - as I am a PA member this was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek (made myself laugh anyhow lol) but thanks to all in the thread who have tried to enlighten us poor confuzzled newbs
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