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Corwin 
Forum Warrior
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Location: Farshards
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Points: 310
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 Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:30 |
indeed i don't know as i am not in an alliance you reffering to. But if you read well I stated a reason that could be your answer: They are affraid to get in a fight that could completely destroy their alliance. I can't blame them for that. For myslef, I don't like witchhunts, but I know the hunters will eventually become the hunted. I see no need for me to take actions. I am neutral in this matter as I still haven't heard the reasons for this war, other then people saying they don't like the way Valar act. Personally I believe that can be solved in other ways then an all to one war.
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lorre
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Joined: 29 Jun 2010
Location: Groot Kortrijk
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:27 |
 karpintero wrote:
Smoking GNU wrote:
So, that's an "I don't know" to my question then? It was pretty direct.
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That was a pretty sufficient answer, if you understood what he said. |
why can't i find you ingame? or is this another of these accounts made to just to spew nonsense?
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The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies.
Napoleon Bonaparte
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Erik Dirk
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:27 |
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GNU if we really have to spell it out to you any neutral players are afraid to become a target, H? attacks on boromir are for amusement only why should neutral players think they won't get the ax if they stick their neck out.
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Grego
Postmaster
Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Points: 729
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:25 |
Smoking GNU wrote:
I think there is one point in this aargaarbl that people are missing.
Where is Valars support? If they are being wronged in such a way as many of the people here point out (Ganged up on, witch hunt, mob rule, ect ect ect) Where is the overwhelming moral support for valar against the senseless aggressors. Where are their confeds? And if their confeds are assisting without declaring war or public announcements, WHY? Why are they ashamed to help out Valar openly?
Think about these questions for a while.
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Who can dare to raise against H?, Curse, and their vasals? Also, people usualy dont care about someone elses troubles, till those same troubles come to them.
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karpintero
Greenhorn
Joined: 27 Sep 2011
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:24 |
Smoking GNU wrote:
So, that's an "I don't know" to my question then? It was pretty direct.
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That was a pretty sufficient answer, if you understood what he said.
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Smoking GNU
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Joined: 12 Jun 2010
Location: Windhoek
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:18 |
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So, that's an "I don't know" to my question then? It was pretty direct.
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Corwin
Forum Warrior
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Location: Farshards
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Points: 310
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:14 |
Smoking GNU wrote:
I think there is one point in this aargaarbl that people are missing.
Where is Valars support? If they are being wronged in such a way as many of the people here point out (Ganged up on, witch hunt, mob rule, ect ect ect) Where is the overwhelming moral support for valar against the senseless aggressors. Where are their confeds? And if their confeds are assisting without declaring war or public announcements, WHY? Why are they ashamed to help out Valar openly?
Think about these questions for a while.
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As there are 5 alliances on the other side, much alliances who would maybe want to support Valar or at least think they are being wronged have diplomatic relations on the other side. And as odds are now, Valar is surely going to lose the war. Would you join in a war you would know you lose? This is the same thing as if America and and all of UN would gang up against... lets say Denmark (or any other country), because they didn't punish a criminal hard enough in their eyes. You think any country that supports Denmark in their action to stay true to their own laws would be so stupid to join in the war? Offcourse nobody joins in a war with such odds.
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Erik Dirk
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Jun 2011
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:05 |
Smoking GNU, the point is will this be a better game without valar, and yes they are good at making enemies and all the targets so far I can see the motivation to attack them, however boromir is another matter, his towns are being culled off for being in valar rather than any specific actions or comments. In a war boromir would be fair game, however this seems to have become removing what you consider an infected limb, but in that case you shouldn't remove the other leg as well.
Edited by Erik Dirk - 27 Sep 2011 at 14:06
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karpintero
Greenhorn
Joined: 27 Sep 2011
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 14:01 |
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I do think that Valar has not received support because of the way they play the game. They dont socialize much in GC and with other alliances. Is that wrong? That's the way they play. It may be their fault that they do not have enough help due to that, but they are not wrong in playing that way. And the other big alliances appear to be opportunistic in taking advantage of this conflict and that "unsociable" aspect of Valar to war against them.
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Ander
Postmaster General
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 13:55 |
LordOfTheSwamp wrote:
As a bit of a disclaimer, however, I'm basing my opinions purely on what has been said in this forum, plus a range of private messages from PA, Champs and H? members. Though I am in Valar, I have had no explanation from Valar's leaders as to how they think we got into this mess, nor any explanation of why we (Valar) chose to take in a refugee that Curse were at war with, nor provoke Champions. So, I have a better grasp of PA, Champs and H? perspectives, than I do of Valar, DLords or Curse perspectives. |
The way Valar has been treating Lorre and Amroth, they have reasons for dislike. And after what happened with curse, they are likely to be hostile. I've heard that Dlords and Valar faceoff goes a long way back - but i have no idea what it is. They seem to be striking when the iron is hot.
But cant help saying that this Five-on-One fight is very unfair. Valar's PR campaign against Lorre so far was like kicking an iron nail. I really hope some neutral alliances would mediate to make peace.
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