Seems reality is setting in, yeah it is mob mentality, just on a grander scale, at least the community is wising up to it. If H takes out Valar, who's next? Curse you are number 3 currently, watch your backs. Karpintero, nice interpretation, you might be on to something. The truth is out there!!!!! Cue the X Files theme song.Lol
opic: PA and Champ declare war against Valar Posted: Today at 07:13 By Rill
To fight for a minority opinion is not in itself wrong. It might not be a successful fight, but you might choose to go down in a blaze of glory, having decided that it doesn't matter if MOST people don't agree with you, what you are standing for is right. If you do so, you have my respect for choosing to stand for an idea, even for an idea that I think is wrong.
I'm just asking you to take a look at yourselves and acknowledge that you may be nearly alone in this fight for a reason -- and that reason is that people don't agree with you.
Has it ever occurred to you that just because people don't agree with them does not mean that they are in the wrong? Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but your post implies that Valar should reexamine themselves, reflect on their "mistakes." Which to me, is imposing your principles on them.
I think that some people are right (I forgot who lol) who have said in the forums that these opinions are of people that are active in GC. And not everyone is active in GC, more so share the belief of the people their. Yes, Valar may be the minority in the way that they play the game. They may not be as sociable as the others in terms of bonding with people in GC. And they may have made mistakes in handling some of their members. But that does not entitle them to be wrong. You may be a respected and beloved player on GC, but you are not the one who sets definitions on what is right and wrong in this game.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 11:56
Createure wrote:
demigs wrote:
when it was champ and PA on valar i thought that was fine, it would have
been a fairly even fight and would have been fun to watch
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Persona Armoniosa [{P A}]
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FYI it would have been a massacre - it would take just 2-3 big VALAR guys to wipe out most of CHAMP/PA.
But, Creature, it was NOT Valar which declared the War. It is PA and Champs. Why? Because its not just PA and Champs to start with actually. It is H? and PA and Champs and Dlords FROM THE VERY START. This has been premeditated. That is the uneven fight.
If VALAR declared the War on PA/Champs, then it would have been fine for you to say that its not an even fight.
TD While we are certainly outnumbered, I still find it hard to believe this is the consensus of the whole community. Just the small percentage of the community that frequents GC.
How many people have to join the war before you are willing to admit that you possibly misjudged the community? At what point do you say "Hmmm ... maybe we were wrong about this one ... maybe people really DON'T want to play this way. Maybe we should think of another way of playing that is still fun for us, but is consistent with the way others want to play as well."
And what way do Valar play Rill? Have you ever been targeted by them yourself? Or have you been in their ranks long enough to make a judgementcall? Everyone seems to have an opinion based on stories they weren't involved in themselves. What is the way Valar are playing in your opinion? The only aggresive act I hear about is the one on berberos, which was done by an EX-Valarmember. Offcourse I don't have all the info myself, but I have read no posts here describing any other unfair attacks by them. I had problems too with Valar, but there was nothing unfair about the way they handled me. They didn't siege me to the ground or kept sending attacks at me. I can imagine they are a little aggresive towards lorre as he is trying to make Valar look bad in GC, but as far as my knowledge reaches, nothing unfair has been done there.
Again, I'm not into all the info on this matter, but I'm sure other people (even ones involved in this silly war) who have given their opinion also have little idea where they are talking about
Edited by Binky the Berserker - 27 Sep 2011 at 11:50
I'm not involved in this war but I think that the other big alliances are just jumping on the bandwagon. I understand that confed obligations and the sh** are to be honored and such. But what I see here are three big alliances jumping on the bandwagon, possibly for the chance to remove a powerful alliance from the game. For sure Valar may have done some stuff not everyone agrees with, but they have defended their actions clearly. DLords especially have no reason to join in, except for the confed they have with Harmless. Five against one? Cmon. Harmless against Valar or Curse against Valar is good enough, but five BIG alliances against Valar is too much. I agree with Demdigs, its more like mob mentality now.
I will root for Valar in this war, so they will prove their naysayers wrong. And being the underdog is great. If they lose, its expected. If this drags on without some semblance of a victory for the Anti-Valar Confederation, then it would be great to contemplate how five big groups failed to take out the perceived bad guy, Valar.
I would like to put my 2 cents in, for the record i am neutral in this affair, but i do feel that Valar is getting the shaft here, when it was champ and PA on valar i thought that was fine, it would have been a fairly even fight and would have been fun to watch, when H? joined in then dlords and finally curse it now appears from my point of view as PA and Champs kicking valar in the shin and running behind H? dlords and curse for protection. I could be wrong but from a neutral observer its what it looks like. Now i don't mind a war, when i fought vs KT that was fun. But i am a big fan of fair fights (at least in a game) but when u have 5 big alliances facing 1 alliance it goes from a good fight to seemingly vindictive and in poor taste. Now I personally get along with Lorre and Armoroth and have nothing against them and i shall remain civil with them and even get along with them; now will i supply valar with goods since i am neutral but i just feel after dlords and curse joining the fight it went from an ok fight to just wrong. And I do respectfully disagree with Rill, war is part of the game and if you have a valid reason for a war you should go to war. I just don't like the mob mentality that is going on right now. It is more mob mentality then people wanting change in my humble opinion. Now I could be way off base in this but from what i have read and what i have seen, that is my point of view. Now i will get off my soapbox and you can return to your previously scheduled show.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 11:06
Could people please stop talking about alliances as if they are all one coherent whole - as SunStorm said, "like the borg".
Dakota Strider is not Azreil; neither of them are _duQ; there is no single "Valar" opinion or personality. And in the last few days I've come to realize that nobody in PA understands why they are at war, nor particularly wants to be, except Lorre. I guess the same is true for every other alliance involved. The only alliance that has shown any commonality of purpose is H? and they clearly have very different personalities, too.
Can people also please abandon this "they are nasty bullies". Claiming that the Valar are all bullies and dedicated to picking on the little guy is absurd - the desperation with which people keep going back to _duQ, as if a jerk who got kicked is the embodiment of the alliance that kicked him - is desperate. And Valar assumptions that we are now being picked on and every else is a bunch of bullies is equally thin.
Champions do have a grievance against Valar - we intervened to stop a siege, without any declaration of war, and in a situation where they thought that it was none of our business.
Valar put themselves in Curse's firing line when they took in roller/Spirit.
Both of these alliances have a grievance.
Valar have also ruffled H?'s feathers. I found out yesterday that an ex Valar member, while in the alliance, had even been so stupid as to attack H? That may not be a "just" reason to go to war, but H? have never claimed that this is about justice. At the least, this annoyed them.
I see no reason for DLords to get involved, but as I'm only now realizing how little I understand of "Valar policy" they may well have some cause as well.
PA don't have a reason - but they do have Lorre.
So briefly, as far as I can tell, 2 of the 5 have a perfectly good reason to dislike the Valar; one has reason to be irritated; that's only 2 out of 5 that don't have some "cause". And to go back to my original point, when we talk about "them", we miss the point that these are individuals: PA may have no cause, but actually PA's rank-and-file members don't want a war anyway, it's actually just a question of one individual.
"A boy is building sandcastles on a beach. You go and kick down his castle. You could say that it only reflects how you play with sandcastles. Others may think it reflects who you are." - Ander.
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