Over-Crowding

Beyljr: while your math on the 5M squares might seem superficially compelling, there are certainly areas of cities far more densely packed than 1 per 10 radius. If for no other reason, then because players often settle their own cities closer together than that. Also, it is silly to assume that all of those players are max size ten city players.

Deranzim wrote: plus the fact that not everyone is a stickler to the 10 square rule (I wasn't and still am not) make the "10 square rule" a problem only for the same old people that never liked it in the first place and they are using the new influx of players to nag again for their own personal agenda, masking their efforts as a call for the "greater good" It is as simple as that.

Deranzim, I am a new player, and this is my first and only thread that I have created on this subject. Please do not claim that which you don't know.

Angrim wrote: based on the OP's discussion of the "10 field limit" being overridden by sov 5, i assume that the discussion here applies to the actual game rule affecting exodus and tenaril's rather than the 10-square rule that is custom between alliances.

Correct.
By the way I really like your reply. It was very well done and thought out.

Angrim wrote: keep in mind, please, that the 10 field limit that frustrates you was probably created to keep exodus from being used as an aggressive military tactic. also, arguing that 4 fields is enough space but settling within 10 of an alliance mate is "overcrowding" doesn't make much sense to me.

You misunderstood my suggestion. I was not suggesting that people should reduce their own personal 10 field rule. If a person wants to insist on a 10 field radius, or even a 100 field radius, that is their right to do, and their right to try to enforce. I was simply asking that the game not force it. I.e. if two players agree that one of them can exodus a city 9 fields away from the other one, then the game should allow them to. That is all that I was suggesting by the 10 field rule being reduced.
As to using that reduction for aggressive military tactics, exodusing your city reduces it to all level 12 buildings, no sovereignty, and no attacks within 5 days. That should be sufficient to limit its use for aggressive military tactics since it leaves the city pretty much a sitting duck if it went there without permission.

Angrim wrote: Beyljr wrote: 3. Perma sitting IS a BIG problem, as are people with more than 2 accounts, but that is not the point of this thread. perhaps, perhaps not. if it is typical for a veteran player to keep two farm accounts on each of his/her main accounts, and perhaps also to use those cities to project a 10-square radius to prevent others settling near his/her alliance, would that not go directly to your point?

If the game wants to allow people to have 6 accounts (2 native and 4 perma-sat) then they should simply allow 6 accounts. I personally feel that sitting should be restricted to only short term sitting for a player that is going to return after vacation. This is easily done without any devs needing to do anything by simply not allowing an account to be sat for more than 4 weeks. But that is a subject for a different thread, so please let's not allow this thread to diverge to that subject.

Angrim wrote: if you mean by this thread that there are literally no spaces that are 10 fields away from any other player, then we really are playing different games.

No I am not saying that there are NO spaces available, but the spaces are very small at point in time, and not good at all. People are hunting all over the map trying to find halfway decent spots where they can place even a tiny settlement of 5 cities near to one another. Some people in some alliances are litterally spending hours per day trying to find those spots for people. That is what is wrong.

Brandmeister wrote: According to the puzzle logic site, the Illyriad population has fallen -2500 players since a year ago. A drop from 7500 to 5000 players should have opened up lots of spaces.

The current map is 2000 x 2000 fields for a total of 4,000,000 fields. 5000 payers each with 10 cities, and each of those having a 10 field radius requires 5,000,000 fields. So using your stated reduced player count, and assuming that all fields are "good" fields to settle in, the game currently requires a minimum of 25% more fields than it currently has, and therefore it is currently 25% over-crowded. Thanks for proving my point mathematically for me. That removes all arbitrariness from the discussion.

The devs have said that starting in Broken Lands will be account holder only, like Exodus and Tenaril are now, so it will not be possible to bring permasats.

Thanks Angrim for putting into words what I was thinking...

Edited by Dragonwort - 11 May 2014 at 20:02

My suggestions for solving the current situation: