Orc T1 Spears over powered

demdigs wrote: And the fact that an orc can make 100k t1 spears in the time that it takes to make 48k t1 bows without sov is ok and fair to u?

still falling back on my market argument, why is the solution to "orcs are overpowered" not to start an orc alt or recruit some orcs to your alliance?

it doesnt have to be fair, each race is different, you choose your race based on the playstyle you like, orcs have a completely different playstyle then any other race, if you make all the races the same then why even bother having different races?  in fact you may want to refer to the following announcement to find out why the units are this way, there is a link on that post that gives the details why different units have different build times.

I'm not sure what that comparison proves. Bow units typically have poor or average cavalry defense. Spear units have good or excellent cavalry defense. That's their entire purpose. So saying that kobolds are better than sentinels at cavalry defense seems to be remarkably obvious. Sentinels are far superior to kobolds for bow defense. Stalwarts are superior to sentinels for all-purpose attack. Knights are better than stalwarts for plains attack. These are not revelations. It just highlights that particular units are good at their particular specialized jobs.

Brandmeister wrote: The only thing the leaderboard shows is who manipulated their scores.

that's a bit glib, Brand. i have not manipulated my score, and i'm confident there are others in the top 250 who have not.

Brandmeister wrote: Orcs represent 20/100 top defenders by score, which is more representative of actual military and tournament contribution. Elves of course make up the bulk of top defenders.

again, i don't think we're disagreeing, but i think you are seeing what you want to see. that even among top military players orcs are less than 25% means something else to me--specifically, that the orc is far from overpowered according to the market.

Brandmeister wrote: Orcs are reasonably well represented among the ranks of larger players, because experienced players have grasped their particular advantages.

of the top 250 players on the leaderboard, i count only 15 orcs. someone with data connections might be able to perform the city count more easily than can i.

i do not really disagree with you, but i think the phenomenon is less pronounced than you imply. perhaps only a small portion of the player population ever delves deeply enough into illy combat statistics to appreciate the unique advantages of the orc...but one might also say that the orc's advantages are so narrow as to be outweighed by other factors in the choosing, and that would go directly to the OP.


Edited by Angrim - 18 Nov 2015 at 12:17